A-spec Expert Level Non-Racing Car Challenge: Nürburgring Nordschleife

[joeledward]

Hi again guys`ngirls...I have one, big wish for everyone who post their victories (or failures as well lol) here...PLEASE tell if You used driving aids (Skid rec, active steer, trac control) or not...I`m really dying to know...

The guy (mr GTPVenomZombi) who claims his victory in his Dino for instance...I tried it too, as I got "inspired" The Dino maxes out at 505pp, but it is fast for within it`s pp limit, so I gave it a try...I did NOT use aids except ABS1 - and I did NOT win, despite several attempts...But I DID crash a lot...So off course it would be a RELIEF for poor me, if mr VenomZombi reads this, and telling honestly if he used aids or not...It`s not a shame to use aids in a hard-to-control-car...

OK then I tried my Ferrari F40...Horrible, no win here, even harder to control than the Dino..

Well now I wanted an easy to drive car, so took my M3GTR...In previous seasonals (London and Rainmasters on Spa) the M3GTR was almost too easy to win with, but in this Nordschleife event, I didn`t succeed with it, it made a ton of wheel spin...

Now it was getting very late, and I was a bit frustrated, as I so only had won a couple of times in my beloved Ford GT `05, as I posted here early last night...

I really wanted a win in a different car before I got to bed (late man, late) so now it was time for the Mclaren MP4 12C...
WHEW, did 2 wins with it, so went to bed a little reliefed....

But as I wrote in the opening lines in this post, PLEASE tell whether You used aids or not peoples..I`m dying to know...

"The need to know is strong with this one Obi- Wan"
TTs now have no SRF so I do seasonal races as I would TT.
1. TC = 0
2. SRF = " OFF " Depending on the car and how low my PP value is in comparison to opposition 👍
3. ABS =1
4. ASM = OFF
5. Active steering = ON ( As I am not fortunate enough to count" ET" , "Alf" or " Dr. Who" amongst my relatives) Someday I hope to be skillful enough to turn it off
My motivation for doing Seasonal races is simple "CREDITS" How do do I make it less repetative and more fun ?
I try different and more obscure cars with less PP than allowed.

My reason for posting my victories is not to brag, but to bring to others attention ( especially those who continually winge that " This seasonal is too easy" or " This seasonal is too hard " or " This seasonal is boring ") what can be achieved and with a bit of imagination you can really enjoy this great game.

My view is " Its your game play it any way you want to, with whatever driving aids you like"

As long as you are having FUN thats all that matters - Oh and a top #250 in the TTs

 

[RobertM525]

Tried the tune @ALB123 posted for the GT-R Black Edition. It was good, but my dumb ass spun slightly at the turn leading to the long straight, which is a great place to do that. Got a lap time of 7:33.537, for another 5th place, 20.411 seconds behind the leader (a Zonda C12). Ugh.

 

[light driver]

"The need to know is strong with this one Obi- Wan"
TTs now have no SRF so I do seasonal races as I would TT.
1. TC = 0
2. SRF = " OFF " Depending on the car and how low my PP value is in comparison to opposition 👍
3. ABS =1
4. ASM = OFF
5. Active steering = ON ( As I am not fortunate enough to count" ET" , "Alf" or " Dr. Who" amongst my relatives) Someday I hope to be skillful enough to turn it off
My motivation for doing Seasonal races is simple "CREDITS" How do do I make it less repetative and less boring ?
I try different and more obscure cars with less PP than allowed.

My reason for posting my victories is not to brag, but to bring to others attention ( especially those who continually winge that " This seasonal is too easy" or " This seasonal is too hard " or " This seasonal is boring ") what can be achieved and with a bit of imagination you can really enjoy this great game.

My view is " Its your game play it any way you want to, with whatever driving aids you like"

As long as you are having FUN thats all that matters - Oh and a top #250 in the TTs

Thanks....(I`m still dying to know about that Dino guy)

 

[RobertM525]

5. Active steering = ON ( As I am not fortunate enough to count" ET" , "Alf" or " Dr. Who" amongst my relatives) Someday I hope to be skillful enough to turn it off

This reminded (or inspired) me to turn Active Steering on and attempt it again. I also decided to ignore some of the suggested line's braking points. Got a 7:17.462, for second place, 6.335 seconds behind the leader. A marked improvement!

(I'm using a G27, BTW, since someone asked.)

 

[joeledward]

This reminded (or inspired) me to turn Active Steering on and attempt it again. I also decided to ignore some of the suggested line's braking points. Got a 7:17.462, for second place, 6.335 seconds behind the leader. A marked improvement!

(I'm using a G27, BTW, since someone asked.)

It helps the average driver a lot. Aliens to a lesser degree I think ? ( active steering ) Aliens feel free to correct me if I am wrong
yeah since someone asked I use a DFGT. DS3 with buttons when grinding beginner and intermediate seasonals . I only set up the wheel when I am going to have a 2 hour or longer session. 👍

 

[ALB123]

Tried the tune @ALB123 posted for the GT-R Black Edition. It was good, but my dumb ass spun slightly at the turn leading to the long straight, which is a great place to do that. Got a lap time of 7:33.537, for another 5th place, 20.411 seconds behind the leader (a Zonda C12). Ugh.

Oh man...I know exactly where you're talking about. In fact, I spun there too, just earlier today with my McLaren MP4-12C. I was so freakin' mad!

Just after you go around that mini-karousel, in a few hundred meters there is a right hand turn that has a pretty sharp curb on the right side of the track. I've flipped three cars in that spot, from hitting that curb.

Here is the most recent episode:

That's not the best way to finish a lap at the 'Ring...

 

[joeledward]

Oh man...I know exactly where you're talking about. In fact, I spun there too, just earlier today with my McLaren MP4-12C. I was so freakin' mad!

Just after you go around that mini-karousel, in a few hundred meters there is a right hand turn that has a pretty sharp curb on the right side of the track. I've flipped three cars in that spot, from hitting that curb.

Here is the most recent episode:
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That's not the best way to finish a lap at the 'Ring...

flash backs

 

[RobertM525]

Ouch, @ALB123. LOL.

In other news... I DID IT!

Passed the Zonda just before the finish line!

First sector was a 0:45.1.

Final lap time was 7:09.404.

I feel like I ended up doing a fair amount of throwing my car into turns and hoping to power out of them before my car slid off the track. Reckless, but it seemed to work.

It's funny, too: the "live timing" on the replay shows the Zonda in second with a -3.519 gap. Yes, a negative gap. Very odd.

"Gently" making the pass:

My battered GT-R crosses the line with the Zonda in hot pursuit:

Not much of a gap:

 

[WhoosierGirl]

They need to make this one permanent, way too much fun. No better places to hook curbs, slide through corners and occasionally spin a fun 360

This one is for @Stotty, I know how much he loves pink Porsches




Two really fast 4wd cars, the sky can go 209mph and the Tarmac 204 on the long straight.
And the Miura, which I think is the best car to learn how to drive fast with.

 

[ALB123]

@RobertM525 Awesome job man...I know how much effort you put into this event. Feels good, doesn't it? 👍

 

[ThrasherDBS]

Oh man...I know exactly where you're talking about. In fact, I spun there too, just earlier today with my McLaren MP4-12C. I was so freakin' mad!

Just after you go around that mini-karousel, in a few hundred meters there is a right hand turn that has a pretty sharp curb on the right side of the track. I've flipped three cars in that spot, from hitting that curb.

That's not the best way to finish a lap at the 'Ring...

That's Galgenkopf. On the Lexus IS-F CCS-R Time Trial a few months back, that was the corner that screwed me out of a clean lap a few times. I certainly feel your pain there.

 

[RobertM525]

@RobertM525 Awesome job man...I know how much effort you put into this event. Feels good, doesn't it? 👍

Thanks! By the skin of my teeth, but I made it. (Well, the driver aids really won the event, but whatever. )

 

[Stotty]

This one is for @Stotty, I know how much he loves pink Porsches

Some Porsche's look OK in pink... like a Rubystone 964

The shade of pink you paint your cars is... interesting

Looks plenty fast though

 

[GTP_Ezza75]

Really really enjoying this Event...dusting off all the supercars in my garage and giving each a good spin with this race.

Had lots fun with Ferrari FXX using ECU & engine upgrade, de-tuned to 550pp, SS tyres, ABS =1, all other assists off.

 

[lethalforce_7]

I can't passed the event... I need a one tune please

 

[joeledward]

Please make this event permanent . Hello Hello anyone, anybody, PD, Sony, are you listening.(Reading)

 

[ALB123]

This should be a permanent event. Heck, move it into S License Class as an event. Career Mode could benefit from some new "permanent" events we can run.

I just had a blast using my BMW M5 '08. @FSportIS recommended the car to me - I didn't even consider using my M5 for this event. 7m12s lap time actually surprised me. I thought I was running slower than that.

 

[Stotty]

Only got round to this event this evening. Ran the Scuderia for the stock thread 1st (stock car, SH tyres) and won with a 7'12 lap.

I know the MP12 is ridiculously fast from the Nurburgring Lap Times thread (stock car with oil change; 6'48 on SH tyres), so thought I'd try it at 550ppts... stock car, SS tyres, power limited to 550ppts, with custom suspension to remove the camber and toe (no other parts or settings changes)... 6'51.174 1st attempt.

It handles so well with virtually no changes and even power limited, is hitting nearly 200mph on the straight with no draft

How embarrassing

An hour ago I went to try another car, and whilst checking traction control was off, I notice SRF was on... no idea how as I've not used it in any events, so assume it must be on as default? Obviously the lap I posted above is fake as SRF must have been on.

So firstly, apologies for the misleading post!

Given the embarrassment factor, I thought I'd have another go at it, this time without kiddie physics, but with a bit of tuning.

Rabbit was the Tommy Karia ZZ, but even with me trying to run the race as clean as possible (no ramming, no flying up the inside... well, maybe just once or twice), it stood no against the MP4... the car is just crazy fast and sticks to the track like glue

Lap time; 6'47.302, with a total elapsed time of 7'46.050.

Here's the tune (this is a quick and dirty - nowhere near optimised)

McLaren MP4-12C '10 (new car from dealers, no oil change, no chassis strengthening)
Ride 100 80
Spring 7.50 13.00
Bound 2 4
Rebound 3 5
ARB 5 7
Camber 0 0
Toe -0.10 0.00
Brakes (racing) 5 7
Gears (set max speed to min 1st)
1st 4.413
2nd 3.312
3rd 2.700
4th 2.249
5th 1.936
6th 1.676
7th 1.491
Final 2.237
Diff 5 30 5
Power limiter 77.8%
Custom rear wing @ 100
No weight reduction

Should be 467bhp, 1,350kg, 550ppts

Relieved I managed to beat the previous SRF lap

 

[skeagracing]

First of all, don't sell yourself short with those times. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 7m17s or 7m12s lap. At least, that's what I tell myself because that's about as good as I can do! Seriously though... 7m12s is NOT slow by any stretch of the imagination. 👍

I know exactly what you mean about the AI just after Flugplatz. That jerkoff intentionally blocks you almost every chance he gets. I have no problem with the AI holding the racing line even if I'm coming up at double his speed. That's my problem to deal with. Blocking me by moving into my driving line really stinks, especially since I tend to be flying at that point. In one of my runs I just said "screw it!" and put all 4 tires onto the grass and went around him. Miraculously, I didn't crash. I just lost a couple of seconds time because I lifted off the throttle so I wouldn't spinout.

When I get back on my PS3 tonight I will give the Ford GT a try. I haven't won with anything besides the GT-R Black Edition yet. I'm so upset about that...

Good read!!

 

[jimv_gt]

Finally tweaked my Zonda C12 '00 further and lighten it more and was able to pass TZ3 Stradale long before the straight! Yeah I know, easy rabbit, but the Zonda at 1220kg is pretty fast and could have beat this with a harder opponent too! Much to my surprise my tune was quite similar with this @shaunm80 https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/pagani-zonda-c12-00-550pp-ss.425/
Was coming always 2nd on 1350kg's but with Weight Reduction Stage 3 was able to do it easily!

What setting can I adjust so I won't been slipping so hard the moment I touch the grass on the Green Hell, I wonder?

 

[maxi25]

Just stick your nose on the inside of the AI and they will give you room. Use them to help you turn if need be. After trying many cars and failing took out my '05 STi and managed to win. That car never lets me down.

 

[skeagracing]

This should be a permanent event. Heck, move it into S License Class as an event. Career Mode could benefit from some new "permanent" events we can run.

I just had a blast using my BMW M5 '08. @FSportIS recommended the car to me - I didn't even consider using my M5 for this event. 7m12s lap time actually surprised me. I thought I was running slower than that.

What tune on the BMW M5 '08?

 

[MCBrowncoat]

Hi all,

First time poster, came here after struggling with this event. Anyhow, I've just done this on the 8th or 9th attempt with relative ease. I'd previously tried a heavily modified 2011 Elise (375bhp/876kg), an Esprit V8 (560bhp/1345kg) a Mustang Boss 302 (608bhp/1519kg) and a GT-R '07 (555bhp/1730kg) and got 2nd every time, so was somewhat dismayed that a GTR was strongly suggested here, as it didn't work for me! The car I finally used was my '66 GT40 15th anniversary (417bhp/1070kg).

There are a few key advantages to using a GT40 - firstly, you need a car that will a good speed everywhere - that sounds obvious, but a GTR was not as quick through the long winding uphill section between Bergwerk and the hairpin before the Karussel, by a good 5mph. The GT40 really monsters it through uphill sections - if you're still attempting this will a low powered car, you will struggle - that's the 'power of power'

Secondly, the GT40 comes 'pre-loaded' with downforce (50 front and 100 rear)

Thirdly, it rides kerbs extremely well - you really can hurl it over them.

The brakes aren't great, but anyway, I did this event on my first attempt with this car by a couple of seconds, passing the last three cars on the right hander before the long straight (a Zonda C12s, ZZ11 and a Corvette ZR1). TC set to 1

Hope this helps

 

[2cam16]

Which Ody tune of yours did you use, Whoo? Same as the London seasonal ? Thanks.

@WhoosierGirl

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I've been trying with a SRT 4 and got to within 2 sec of the lead car , Arrrggg!!! So you give me hope that I can do it I'm the little engine that could

Keep trying it can be done, although I never want to drive the SRT again, lol.
No aids just abs 1, with SFR and TC1 the car might be more fun but, I had enough, lol.

Thanks....(I`m still dying to know about that Dino guy)

The Dino is a very good car and can be done without SFR, I did one with it on and then off. Faster obviously with it on but takes away all the sliding smoke I like to make here, lol.

@WhoosierGirl

Yes, other than lowering the rear all the way down and changing the transmission for more top speed.

 

[light driver]

How embarrassing

An hour ago I went to try another car, and whilst checking traction control was off, I notice SRF was on... no idea how as I've not used it in any events, so assume it must be on as default? Obviously the lap I posted above is fake as SRF must have been on.

So firstly, apologies for the misleading post!

Given the embarrassment factor, I thought I'd have another go at it, this time without kiddie physics, but with a bit of tuning.

Rabbit was the Tommy Karia ZZ, but even with me trying to run the race as clean as possible (no ramming, no flying up the inside... well, maybe just once or twice), it stood no against the MP4... the car is just crazy fast and sticks to the track like glue

Lap time; 6'47.302, with a total elapsed time of 7'46.050.

Here's the tune (this is a quick and dirty - nowhere near optimised)

McLaren MP4-12C '10 (new car from dealers, no oil change, no chassis strengthening)
Ride 100 80
Spring 7.50 13.00
Bound 2 4
Rebound 3 5
ARB 5 7
Camber 0 0
Toe -0.10 0.00
Brakes (racing) 5 7
Gears (set max speed to min 1st)
1st 4.413
2nd 3.312
3rd 2.700
4th 2.249
5th 1.936
6th 1.676
7th 1.491
Final 2.237
Diff 5 30 5
Power limiter 77.8%
Custom rear wing @ 100
No weight reduction

Should be 467bhp, 1,350kg, 550ppts

Relieved I managed to beat the previous SRF lap

No skid rec is not on as default. Default aids are ABS1 and track5 and nothing else...

I guess SRF was suddenly on due to some psychic electrons inside ps3...The settings on my cars can suddenly change for no reason, seen it many many times...Bought a car,tuned it, made some settings, and leaving it in garage, ready for next day...But next day, the settings I made the previous day was completely messed up, some has returned to standard, some had remained as I set them, and some tuning parts was - gone.. So have to buy them again...Don´t recall if it also happened to SRF, but guess it has happened too. A good idea to check, if Your settings are right, before starting..

Oh and some time ago, when I used my MP4 online, the settings were completely insane. Spring had changed to something like whaaat? How had that happened??? I say it is mental ill electrons within the ps3... can happen after an update, or just after one has switched ps3 off, and next time You fire it up...PLING...What...Unreliable piece of 🤬
cheers

 

[coryclifford]

No aids at all. DS3 controller, both sticks and gear select on triggers.

Passed Zonda coming into last carousel then he passed me then I passed him.

Floor pan cheater car. Slow, but glued down. And relatively easy.






Still working on the Civic, joeledward. I can get second. But now that I see you used aids...

 

[skeagracing]

I just wanted to point out that @Stotty meant "mid 6'3X" and "high 6'30's". He accidentally used a 7 where he meant to use a 6.

Yes, mike_gt3 and Sutuki's times around Nordschleife are insane. Every now and then I look at the list of times kept here on for the 'Ring and I shake my head in amazement. It's beyond impressive what they can do with stock cars. Not even stiffening up the suspension. Amazing.



I humbly disagree with your thoughts on GT6 lacking grip. Personally, I feel tires have too much lateral grip and many tuners will tell you GT6 also provides too much latitudinal grip as well. You are right when you say that real race car drivers' tires aren't screaming around every corner when they race in real life. For one, they have to conserve tires and we do not. If you drove a real car the way that we do in this game, your tires would be shredded in no time. Also, I think PD puts that noise in to help aid us - so we know when wheels are starting to slide because we can't actually feel them sliding like one would feel in real life. Of course, there is "some" feel in the force feedback wheels when tires lock up and/or start sliding, but there is none in a controller and even the amount felt in FFB is not comparable to what you would feel in the real world.

To prove my point that tires are much too grippy in GT6 (compared to real life), how is then that guys like Sutuki & mike_gt3 can complete a lap around the 'Ring in a McLaren MP4-12C in under 7 minutes? In real life, the car was only able to lap it in 7m28s... How is that possible? It's because the cars in this game have too much grip, usually. A lot of GTPlanet members immediately downgrade their tires to CH or CM for a more realistic grip level. Of course, you need to have throttle discipline. You can't just mash your foot to the floor whenever you want, unlike using SS tires.

I don't mean to jump all over you. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the subject matter. I still prefer to use SH/SS tires because it allows me to crash less and have more fun. Occasionally I'll throw on CS tires and it's a blast in its own way...but for the most part, I still with Sport level tires whether they are realistic or not.

Truth!!!!

 

[Jaguara]

Some real comedians at Polyphony...the description for the event talks about being careful where you pass and such...as if you have the luxury in this event to wait to pass. Get held up for more than a second and you don't have a chance.

People say they would like to see this permanent? I don't understand why. Personally I am tired of these - start at the back, rolling start, 1 minute behind, absurd rubber band, super-unrealistic scenarios. It is my one and only beef with Gran Turismo 6.

I have watched the AI driver behaviour, and when you are behind a group, they slow down...until you pass them. I have watched so many 5-lap replays where your 5 laps are consistant times...and the distance behind the lead car goes like this: start - 20 seconds, lap 1 - 19.5 seconds, lap2 - 19 seconds, lap 3 - 18.5 seconds, (now you are in second or third place and the magic starts), lap 4 - 8seconds, lap 5 - you won with 2 second lead. When does this actually happen in real racing...it doesn't.

Give me back the way it was in GT4, where I tried to use as low a car as possible to earn more points per race, qualifying round to try to get pole, then race...against cars that are actually around the same speed as you...IMAGINE THAT!

(I really wish you were rewarded for taking cars with lower PP in events. Like instead of a 100K cr purse, make it 70K with a 0-60K bonus based on PP, or something along those lines...)

As for my actual performance on this event...tried first with my Cizeta for laughs, was like 15 seconds back, had better luck with the X-Bow Street, but still falling short in 2nd place (I get close to the leader but they pull away on the straight.) In my attempts the rabbit has always posted times in the 7 '03 - 7' 08 range...with me around 7'12- 7'15 (I use a dualshock controller, unfortunately). Will try the GTR-black ed later, though for some reason I am not usually great with the GT-Rs, so not hoping for much.

 

[Highrev]

I used the F430 "Scud missile" with wing and downforce set to max. Sports computer, isometric exhaust manifold, sports catalytic converter, intake tuning, max weight reduction and power limited to 75% to reach 550pp. Racing soft suspension, 350 km/h max speed (for drafting on the long straight). LSD with stock settings, triple plate clutch. Sport Soft Tires. Using a DS3, ABS 1, TC 1, no other aids.