Aliens

[squadops]

When you are in Jackson, you simply admire the jagged rocks there, nothing more.

 

[Dotini]

It's a fascinating book if you hold with the "multiverse" theories. I'm not sure reading a philosophy work of that nature necessarily proves one's credentials as any kind of "believer" though - despite how many sites seem to be presenting this "discovery".

Unlike some other advanced countries, there's no doubt the US government holds a hard line on the UFO question in general and on the ET hypothesis in particular. I think this is probably justifiable.

But the immediate issue is disclosure of what the government institutionally knows, and on immunity for retired government employees to testify publicly on this issue without fear of loss of pensions and/or prosecution for disclosure of classified information. Let's face it, if there is any real substance to the suggestion of alien visitation and interaction with the human species, then this needs to handled with the greatest of care and caution because of the potential implications and unwanted consequences.

 

[Dotini]

Government documents on UFOs over 60 years old remain classified.

The article linked is an excellent introduction to the history of government secrecy on this topic.
http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15450/some-ideas-about-digging/

NBC didn’t take the Hillary Clinton UFO bait during Sunday night’s primary debate, staged just a couple of weeks after the former Secretary of State vowed to “get to the bottom of” The Great Taboo. As per tradition, the mainstream media tossed a lot of confetti in the air over her UFO remarks before getting bored and wandering off. But in doing so, they forget – assuming they ever knew – about the formidable and unremitting curiosity of Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta.

In 2002, the former Clinton White House chief of staff joined the ad hoc Coalition for Freedom of Information in a federal lawsuit against NASA for access to files related to the so-called Kecksburg incident of 1965. Although that initiative, spearheaded by independent investigative journalist Leslie Kean, produced no smoking gun, the effort shook loose hundreds of previously unreleased documents, revealed that many others had been destroyed or went missing, and forced the space agency to pay the plaintiff's legal fees.

It's going to be a long and tedious slog, but any hopes of reaching the ground floor of Uncle Sam's relationship with UFOs will require punching through layers of bureaucratic sediment/CREDIT: bovilla.com

We may never know what, if anything, Podesta attempted to accomplish on the UFO front during his time as senior adviser in the Obama White House. But he has a roadmap for how to attack the archives on multiple fronts. Or rather, he has access to a strategy promoted by a network of scholars, historians and researchers known as the Sign Historical Group (SHG).

 

[ULTRAVIOLENZZ]

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/images/content/393894main_ACD09-0220-089_full.jpg

Lunar probe? A structure? Though, I can faintly see 3 wheels.

Edit: I didn't know this photo is already 4 years old.

 

[Castrol96]

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/images/content/393894main_ACD09-0220-089_full.jpg

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Lunar probe? A structure? Though, I can faintly see 3 wheels.

Edit: I didn't know this photo is already 4 years old.

Analysis on the image.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Of course, LCROSS was a mission (manned or unmanned, take your pic) hellbent on nuking (that's NUKING) the alien bases found in that moon crater.

Whuuut?

 

[Rallywagon]

Reminds me a little of Armada by Ernst Cline. That is actually kinda worrisome to think about. Especially considering the sudden surge of interest in space and the plot of that book.
I've also finished reading Endeavor this past weekend. Very good bit of sci fi. It deals with the Fermi Paradox, and why we haven't seen "anyone."

 

[JKgo]

Analysis on the image.

....That is a leftover prop from the movie Iron Sky.

 

[Castrol96]

....That is a leftover prop from the movie Iron Sky.

What is?

 

[JKgo]

What is?

....The photo. The square object in question is made by Naz... oh never mind.

 

[Dotini]

Trippy articles, just for you, from the world of the truly weird.

http://www.therendleshamforestincident.com/Home.html

USAF Sgt Jim Penniston claims to have been in contact with an alien intelligence. Linked to Hy-Brasil of Celtic mythology.
http://www.therendleshamforestincident.com/The_Binary_Codes.html

http://www.strangerdimensions.com/2016/04/05/hy-brasil-phantom-island-giant-magical-rabbits/

 

[BobK]

I wonder if the giant grass around that giant rabbit is just as magical. Or those logs in the giant grass that at first glance I would have taken for ordinary twigs.

 

[Dotini]

I wonder if the giant grass around that giant rabbit is just as magical. Or those logs in the giant grass that at first glance I would have taken for ordinary twigs.

Could be it's all a cosmic joke?

 

[Lain]

It's no coincidence that this thread and the marijuana legalization thread seem to stick together.

 

[Dotini]

It's no coincidence that this thread and the marijuana legalization thread seem to stick together.

Both topics benefit from an altered state of consciousness - or at least a heightened state of attention - on the part of the observer who seeks to understand and appreciate the phenomena.

 

[Dotini]

Australian man videos strange object for one hour, wife photographs with Nikon.

http://www.openminds.tv/australian-witness-videotapes-triangle-ufo/37005

Cropped and enlarged still frame #1, enhanced version, from the witness video. (Credit: MUFON)

Cropped and enlarged still frame #2 from the witness video. (Credit: MUFON)

Cropped and enlarged still frame #2, enhanced version, from the witness video. (Credit: MUFON)

 

[unit-one]

What's the point of having bright colorful lights on your space ship/ probe? Just to make humans ponder at what was that and create stories?

 

[Dotini]

What's the point of having bright colorful lights on your space ship/ probe? Just to make humans ponder at what was that and create stories?

Dear unit-one, the object in question is almost certainly neither a space ship/probe nor extraterrestrial. More likely the phenomenon is natural to Earth and terrestrial, probably electromagnetic plasma in nature and not solid, liquid or gas. This is not to say the phenomenon is without interest or even without a form of life or consciousness. They may be a sort of being, but not a ship. Puzzling lights like these have inspired our ancestors to ponder and make up stories about fairies, ghosts and aliens. Today our scientists do not investigate them because our governments have decided they pose no threat, and are so damnably hard to study. None have ever been captured or killed. Spectroscopic analysis of similar lights in Norway reveal them as plasma, which is to say elemental dust and high voltage electricity.

Your remark about humans creating stories is remarkably prescient. These stories collectively over time represent our mythology, religion and belief system. Intelligences other our own may be monitoring our belief system.

 

[unit-one]

Dear unit-one, the object in question is almost certainly neither a space ship/probe nor extraterrestrial. More likely the phenomenon is natural to Earth and terrestrial, probably electromagnetic plasma in nature and not solid, liquid or gas. This is not to say the phenomenon is without interest or even without a form of life or consciousness. They may be a sort of being, but not a ship. Puzzling lights like these have inspired our ancestors to ponder and make up stories about fairies, ghosts and aliens. Today our scientists do not investigate them because our governments have decided they pose no threat, and are so damnably hard to study. None have ever been captured or killed. Spectroscopic analysis of similar lights in Norway reveal them as plasma, which is to say elemental dust and high voltage electricity.

Your remark about humans creating stories is remarkably prescient. These stories collectively over time represent our mythology, religion and belief system. Intelligences other our own may be monitoring our belief system.

What a beautiful answer.
UFO's are mostly associated with alien tech, so this was the first thing that came to mind. And I imagined myself as an alien visiting ...well, an alien world.
In the video above, I highly doubt that it's plasma. Looks like a kite with LEDs. Not a drone though. Too quiet.

Mythology, while looks really cool, is just a product of human imagination. And yes, it's a part of history.

P.S. wait, do you think that a plasma can have consciousness?

 

[Dotini]

P.S. wait, do you think that a plasma can have consciousness?

Elsewhere, in this very thread I think, I've posted peer-reviewed science about plasmas in laboratory experiments having many if not all the characteristics of lifeforms - the ability to self-organize, communicate, reproduce, etc. The property of self-awareness pf plasmaforms has not been well investigated. Our star, the sun, is a giant ball of plasma. It is certainly aware of our presence. Every cell in the human body is filled with a true plasma (gel, not solid, liquid or gas) in which charge is separated

 

[unit-one]

Elsewhere, in this very thread I think, I've posted peer-reviewed science about plasmas in laboratory experiments having many if not all the characteristics of lifeforms - the ability to self-organize, communicate, reproduce, etc. The property of self-awareness pf plasmaforms has not been well investigated. Our star, the sun, is a giant ball of plasma. It is certainly aware of our presence. Every cell in the human body is filled with a true plasma (gel, not solid, liquid or gas) in which charge is separated

But plasma in humans is a completely different thing than the 4th state of matter.

 

[Dotini]

But plasma in humans is a completely different thing than the 4th state of matter.

If you say so. I'm not here to argue with anyone.

However, I'll recommend two books to you:

- Cells, Gels and the Engines of Life, by Gerald H Pollack
- The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Liquid, Solid and Vapor, by Gerald H Pollock

Pollock is Professor of Bioengineering at the University of Washington. He manages and operates a big-budget lab. I've spent many hours in his lab and at his home in conversation with him on the subject of plasmas.

 

[unit-one]

If you say so. I'm not here to argue with anyone.

However, I'll recommend two books to you:
Gels, Cells and the Engines of Life, by Gerald H Pollack
The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Liquid, Solid and Vapor, by Gerald H Pollock

Pollock is Professor of Bioengineering at the University of Washington. He manages and operates a big-budget lab. I've spent many hours in conversation with him on the subject of plasmas.

Well, I don't really know how to answer.

So... you are saying that the Sun, the plasma in our bodies, the plasma that is a super heated ...thing and gel and water is the same thing. And it's alive?

I've done a quick research and looks like his work is misinterpreted and rises questions.

 

[Dotini]

So... you are saying that the Sun, the plasma in our bodies, the plasma that is a super heated ...thing and gel and water is the same thing. And it's alive?

Not exactly. But sort of.

In the realm of the philosophy of science/religion/medicine/life, there are strands variously referred to as panpsychism, universal consciousness or universal mind. My take is that this is most significant when electrical charge is separated and electric and magnetic fields exist.

 

[unit-one]

Not exactly. But sort of.

In the realm of the philosophy of science/religion/medicine/life, there are strands variously referred to as panpsychism, universal consciousness or universal mind. My take is that this is most significant when electrical charge is separated, and electric and magnetic fields exists.

Interesting. Now this reminds me of The Amazing World of Gumball.

 

[Dotini]

Interesting. Now this reminds me of The Amazing World of Gumball.

Hylozoism, pantheism and animism are related concepts.


Edit: I've looked up the Amazing World of Gumball.

I summarize it as silly, anarchic, mad, but having genuine life and heart. That sounds a lot like the Celtic realm of Faery.

 

[Castrol96]

Australian man videos strange object for one hour, wife photographs with Nikon.

http://www.openminds.tv/australian-witness-videotapes-triangle-ufo/37005

Cropped and enlarged still frame #1, enhanced version, from the witness video. (Credit: MUFON)

Cropped and enlarged still frame #2 from the witness video. (Credit: MUFON)

Cropped and enlarged still frame #2, enhanced version, from the witness video. (Credit: MUFON)

Whats this, a alien disco?

Although, this one is different many others I've scene.

 

[Dotini]

Whats this, a alien disco?

Although, this one is different many others I've scene.

Electric butterfly, showing off.

 

[Dan]

Since there is the conspiracy of the TR-3B "Black Manta" stealth aircraft, and the artist renderings are typically triangular-shaped aircraft, is it just a coincidence that the Lockheed Martin X-44 MANTA (Multi-Axis No-Tail Aircraft) matches up in appearance and name? Apparently, it was only just a concept, and funding ceased in 2000, but the possibilitiy of an aircraft controlled exclusively by thrust vectoring is nothing short of intriguing.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Since there is the conspiracy of the TR-3B "Black Manta" stealth aircraft, and the artist renderings are typically triangular-shaped aircraft, is it just a coincidence that the Lockheed Martin X-44 MANTA (Multi-Axis No-Tail Aircraft) matches up in appearance and name? Apparently, it was only just a concept, and funding ceased in 2000, but the possibilitiy of an aircraft controlled exclusively by thrust vectoring is nothing short of intriguing.

The problem is that nobody knows what it looks like outside the description of "delta wing", there are no known pictures of it. The Wiki article links one speculative piece from the GlobalSecurity nutters, one dead page and a NASA PDF with a dodgy "artist's impression".

If you look at the atmo-refractive references earlier in this thread you'll see examples of the sun (amongst other lights) appearing thrice in a triangle formation when viewed through pieces of air of different temperatures. In my own view that's the most likely explanation for many of the recorded triangle formations.