Aliens

[Dotini]

TR-3B "Black Manta" stealth aircraft, and the artist renderings are typically triangular-shaped aircraft.

The problem is that nobody knows what it looks like outside the description of "delta wing", there are no known pictures of it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/is-there-a-ufo-coverup-a-_b_9865184.html?
Q. Some people believe the more recent sightings in cases such as those you mentioned may simply be US government tests of experimental aircraft. Is that possible?

A. I can understand why this may seem the most plausible explanation. But I can assure you, those objects did not belong to US Department of Defense. Just before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, I was contacted by the DoD Office of Congressional Affairs. They were in a tizzy because Robert Byrd, the powerful Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, was challenging them over reports appearing in magazines such as Aviation Week and Space Technologydescribing an alleged super-secret US aircraft program dubbed “Aurora.” Senator Byrd would use his budget power to punish the department severely if we lied to him or withheld information.





An artist’s rendition of the Belgium UFO that made repeated visits in 1989-90


Colonel Wilfried De Brouwer, who later became a general, presents anomalous radar readings at a 1990 press conference during the Belgian wave

 

[TenEightyOne]

Colonel Wilfried De Brouwer, who later became a general, presents anomalous radar readings at a 1990 press conference during the Belgian wave

That's a HUD cam, I think?

 

[Dotini]

That's a HUD cam, I think?

Two Belgian F-16's tracked the triangular object, but only one of the two radars locked on, hence anomalous. In further anomaly, the object gained and lost altitude at such ridiculous speeds, that at one extraordinary moment, the one radar displayed an altitude for the object as below ground level. Many indications hint the object was not solid, but instead was a plasmoid.

 

[Dan]

That's a HUD cam, I think?

Certainly looks like it. It could also be a FLIR camera attached somewhere on the front of the aircraft, with a HUD overlay.

 

[Dotini]

Rare story on aliens from the The Times of London:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hillary-clinton-the-truth-is-out-there-0zpm39rvv

Highway 375 in Nevada, which passes Area 51. Hillary Clinton has vowed to declassify records kept at the US air force base, if national security considerations allowGETTY IMAGES


UFO fans are rooting for Hillary Clinton to win the White House, hoping that her avid interest in theories of alien life will lead to secret US files on the subject being made public .

As a teenager she wrote to Nasa to ask about becoming an astronaut. She was turned down, she said, because the space programme did not accept women.

However, her enthusiasm for the unearthly has not waned. According to those who lobby for transparency on extraterrestrial phenomena, her embrace of the issue is “unprecedented”.

If national security considerations allow, Mrs Clinton has vowed to declassify records

More here:
https://psmag.com/why-is-hillary-cl...comments-about-aliens-2b9d3e0838fc#.gsv05jjp3

Extraterrestrial disclosure lobbyist and activist Stephen Bassett has a theory: She knows more than the rest of us. In an interview with Pacific Standard, he explains the importance of Clinton’s remarks for his political movement, what might happen next, and whether or not we are in imminent danger.

 

[Exorcet]

That's a HUD cam, I think?

The sideways "T" on the left is a radar scan caret. I don't think the F-16 shows this information on the HUD. It looks like a radar screen with a horizon and nose vector display. A bit too barren for a HUD.

 

[Dan]

Rare story on aliens from the The Times of London:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hillary-clinton-the-truth-is-out-there-0zpm39rvv

Highway 375 in Nevada, which passes Area 51. Hillary Clinton has vowed to declassify records kept at the US air force base, if national security considerations allowGETTY IMAGES


UFO fans are rooting for Hillary Clinton to win the White House, hoping that her avid interest in theories of alien life will lead to secret US files on the subject being made public .

As a teenager she wrote to Nasa to ask about becoming an astronaut. She was turned down, she said, because the space programme did not accept women.

However, her enthusiasm for the unearthly has not waned. According to those who lobby for transparency on extraterrestrial phenomena, her embrace of the issue is “unprecedented”.

If national security considerations allow, Mrs Clinton has vowed to declassify records

More here:
https://psmag.com/why-is-hillary-cl...comments-about-aliens-2b9d3e0838fc#.gsv05jjp3

Extraterrestrial disclosure lobbyist and activist Stephen Bassett has a theory: She knows more than the rest of us. In an interview with Pacific Standard, he explains the importance of Clinton’s remarks for his political movement, what might happen next, and whether or not we are in imminent danger.

Of course she would. She's an alien after all. Ayy lmao.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Of course she would. She's an alien after all. Ayy lmao.

If national security considerations allow, Mrs Clinton has vowed to declassify records

Of course. I wonder if those considerations will allow. Hmmm.... * strokes chin sarcastically *

 

[Dan]

Of course. I wonder if those considerations will allow. Hmmm.... * strokes chin sarcastically *

It's strange that she's perfectly ok with leaking classified documents about aliens, yet she doesn't want to talk about her private email servers which have been broken into by other countries.

 

[Drave]

Surely we face a fundamental issue as a species, we do not understand the way time in our surrounds (universe or galaxy or whatever) actually works.

We have linear time, which ostensibly we invented into a detailed form to follow the timings of our sun, much to allow for precise navigation and time tables.

However universal time (for want of a better term) is very definitely not linear. It definitely expands and contracts when affected by gravitational fields, such as at the mouths of a black hole. It may also bend and fold, it may well act like a fluid.

But we do not know as yet.

Which presents the problem of scale. We actually have no concept of scale. Yes we again have scale we have invented with our linear time, but in reality that means nothing much except in a purely parochial sense.

We do not know if we are in a grain of dirt in a persons finger nail, if we are the size we think we are, or if all is indeed fractal and what we see is seen the exact same way the further down and up the scale of actual size as one goes.

Do I believe in aliens? I believe in the possibility of anything, as we can answer so few questions about our very existence without turning to mumbo jumbo... so who knows? No one that I can see.

 

[TenEightyOne]

We have linear time, which ostensibly we invented into a detailed form to follow the timings of our sun, much to allow for precise navigation and time tables.

However universal time (for want of a better term) is very definitely not linear. It definitely expands and contracts when affected by gravitational fields, such as at the mouths of a black hole.

And is therefore still linear.

It may also bend and fold

Which is still linear, even if you find yourself able to "shortcut" the space element.

it may well act like a fluid.

And that doesn't preclude linearity. What's the source you're using for this, or is this a conclusion you reached yourself?

And, dare I ask, shouldn't you be elsewhere?

 

[mistersafeway]

We do not know if [...] we are the size we think we are

And what size is that, hmm? You seem to be just throwing out nonsense that you think sounds intelligent.

And is therefore still linear.



Which is still linear, even if you find yourself able to "shortcut" the space element.



And that doesn't preclude linearity. What's the source you're using for this, or is this a conclusion you reached yourself?

And you (Drave) seem to have misunderstood the meaning of linear. Seems like you may have meant consistent, which... well, of course it's not, Einstein figured that out a long time ago.

And, dare I ask, shouldn't you be elsewhere?

Nah, rules are stupid.

Edit: It also seems like none of that really had anything to do with aliens except as an afterthought... Reads like something I'd write when stoned (see almost any thread I've posted in for examples ).

 

[Drave]

What's the source you're using for this, or is this a conclusion you reached yourself?

And, dare I ask, shouldn't you be elsewhere?

Why exactly are you attacking me? I understand you are attempting with your sledge hammer wit to disparage my IQ, but why? Did I park too near you in the supermarket maybe?

Let us be very clear here, you have started this abuse for no decent reason that I can ascertain. Apart that is from jumping on some perceived band wagon. Making you the sort of spotty spineless sprog who stands around and shouting 'fight'... whilst never having the testicular fortitude to have one yourself. You just run to mummy eh.

My source? Mostly my son whose credentials I shall not even bother to mention. Maybe I miss heard him if the man on the internet says so

But pray tell, where did you get your whole linear thingy from... dare I ask?

Linear compared to what precisely?

Define reality first for context. As in explain where, as you would have it, we all are. In a way which you can prove. Linear can only be a concept and at best relative. But then relative to what one has to ask? Is your relative my relative? What colour is blue? Mmmmmmm?

Maybe ask down the pub, read a red top while trying to stop your lips moving or do you think of it all yourself?

As for your other point... well now.... I have really no idea, that is the full truth of the matter.

You little ones around the camp fire are more interested than me that I can assure you. It is a net forum housed with the usual.... and I am really meant to care? Look up what proto emotions are... might give you some idea just how much I care

Personally I left the playground a very long time ago. The more I see of this type of forum, all of which seem to be much the same with the same sad little cast of characters the more I am convinced they are a microcosm of society... little wonder I live behind my very high gates

 

[Drave]

And what size is that, hmm? You seem to be just throwing out nonsense that you think sounds intelligent.



And you (Drave) seem to have misunderstood the meaning of linear. Seems like you may have meant consistent, which... well, of course it's not, Einstein figured that out a long time ago.



Nah, rules are stupid.

Edit: It also seems like none of that really had anything to do with aliens except as an afterthought... Reads like something I'd write when stoned (see almost any thread I've posted in for examples ).

Well, I manage to do it without drugs... yes if you like...... consistent

There we agree

Blah blah blah... welcome to the internet.

 

[Tornado]

And what size is that, hmm? You seem to be just throwing out nonsense that you think sounds intelligent.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

 

[mistersafeway]

Define reality first for context.

That responsibility is yours if you want any of us to understand what you're saying. Without context your first post doesn't make sense. And... bandwagon? Was that about pointing out that you should do as the moderators have requested if you want to remain a member here? Because that's just something that you have to do.

As it stands right now @Drave seems to be offering nothing in terms of constructive posts to the community, while quite happy to insult the members we have who do constructively contribute to the site. As such if his next post is not either proof of his claims or an explanation of why he has mislead the community then he will be gone. Should it be either of those I would also expect an apology to the community at large for the simply unacceptable manner in which he has posted and a very rapid change in that manner if he wishes to remain here.

Any response aside from those detailed above will be considered @Drave indicating he wishes to no longer remain a member here.

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Well, I manage to do it without drugs... yes if you like...... consistent

There we agree

Blah blah blah... welcome to the internet.

You see, this is why I avoided the opinions forum for so long.* You ignored pretty much the whole post apart from the easy victory (okay, draw) to avoid explaining yourself on the more important issues.


*And I didn't like how easily I got very annoyed, but that's really not relevant to the current discussion, just a little more of an explanation for anyone who was around when I was posting in this section regularly.

 

[Drave]

Mister..... You are also attacking me. Why?

You know I love these forums full of people who real life would have zero to say... like you. Posting drivel. That si what you have said to me, so have it back

No it really is not my responsibility, whatshisface started it and so he can define reality... I can define reality... can he? Can you for all your gum bumping? Mmmmmm?

As for the Scaff with his jingly little spurs and white hat....

Define constructive then Scaffy boy?

This all started with Mr Spurs here because I made a post which in paraphrase said "People keep calling Dirt Rally a SIM and if you haven't raced in real life how do you know? I have raced in real life and I do not rate it much"

Now that is 100% pure fact and irrefutable logic... you cannot say something is a simulation if you have not done it in real life... that seemed pretty simple to me

That apparently deserved pretty much endless abuse from the assembled playground group of no doubt the usual suspects... so I defended myself

Oh that is wrong. One must be bullied apparently and like it. Well, I went to private school and was left entirely alone, never bullied. That was because I hired two toughest 5th formers to beat up the school bully... no, really, I did. Then I used them for muscle as I started a loan operation with the assembled children. Yes, I was of course expelled, eventually Went to a new school... did the same again. Apart from the heavies as niw i was one of the very biggest fins in the pool. Got away with it until I could walk away .... I really hated school, all those people who think respect is given not earnt... like Scagg here

Then this evening I posted that I will believe that Forza 6 is expanding with a NASCAR DLC when I see it in my hand and on my XBox... otherwise I think it is a con, some wind up and personally I do not swallow wind ups nor find them funny

And that got me banned apparently, though I have no idea really if I am banned or not and..... well whatever.

Now in all honesty I can be 'not easy to get along with'... I am really no angel, I do not do laws, guidelines or other people's sick because they feel like dumping it on me... I am not an unfeeling man just uncaring... I can apparently feel sorry for people but I simply do not care.

However all we have now is Scaff and his entourage of yes men/women allegedly without a blot on their copy book... and anyone who knows life knows that is impossible, not how life is

Plus now I have you mister, all indignant for who knows what reason... go on mate, run along, you don't want to get into it with me..... I am the man in the black hat apparently..... well, actually I am, I have no internet persona.

 

[Terronium-12]

Apologies to @Scaff.

 

[Scaff]

Damn missed all that.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Apologies for the continued off-topicness, but now that @Drave is gone, I want to use my experience as a seasoned administrator of a popular GT site to dissect his last post and see if there are any lessons to be learned from it.

Mister..... You are also attacking me. Why?

Disagreeing/arguing with someone =/= being attacked. 9 times out of 10, if you feel you're being attacked on the Web, it's a good idea to calm down and look at the post from a more neutral perspective, to allow yourself to get a better idea of the actual context and tone of the message and respond accordingly. Of course, if it is an attack, always take the high road and do not respond in kind. It looks bad on you, perpetuates hatred, and gets the actual discussion nowhere.

You know I love these forums full of people who real life would have zero to say... like you. Posting drivel. That si what you have said to me, so have it back

And here we have an example of someone taking the low road. "Two can play at this game" is never a good mentality to have when replying to someone when you feel you've been slighted, regardless of whether it's on the Internet or in real life.

As for the Scaff with his jingly little spurs and white hat....

Define constructive then Scaffy boy?

This is what we call "poking a sleeping dragon." Never mock the moderators. It will shorten your time on a given website. At GT Wikia, I try to be a fair admin; my mentality is that I'm just a dude, but with a few extra tools. But if you try to mock me, it's bye-bye.

And as for the "define constructive" bit: Constructive, as it applies to a forum like GTP, is a post that contributes to the community in some way, usually by furthering discussion of the topic. Most of @Drave's posts failed in this regard.

This all started with Mr Spurs here because I made a post which in paraphrase said "People keep calling Dirt Rally a SIM and if you haven't raced in real life how do you know? I have raced in real life and I do not rate it much"

Regardless of who "started it," any party in a given disagreement has the power to end it. Take the beef I had with @Johnnypenso for example. I started that by being immature and reading his posts in a hostile tone, and after realizing that that wasn't his intent, I ended the disagreement myself by deciding to be more mature and reading his posts as they were meant to be read.

Continuing a beef with someone when you have the power to end it is childish and not good for either party.

Now that is 100% pure fact and irrefutable logic... you cannot say something is a simulation if you have not done it in real life... that seemed pretty simple to me

Yet at no point did Drave ever bother to provide any proof that he'd even been to a racing event, let alone competed in one. Like I said in the "Oh, oh, oh, I'm making a Ludicrous Claim!" thread, don't make a ludicrous claim if you can't/don't want to back it up.

That apparently deserved pretty much endless abuse from the assembled playground group of no doubt the usual suspects... so I defended myself

Oh that is wrong. One must be bullied apparently and like it. Well, I went to private school and was left entirely alone, never bullied. That was because I hired two toughest 5th formers to beat up the school bully... no, really, I did. Then I used them for muscle as I started a loan operation with the assembled children. Yes, I was of course expelled, eventually Went to a new school... did the same again. Apart from the heavies as niw i was one of the very biggest fins in the pool. Got away with it until I could walk away .... I really hated school, all those people who think respect is given not earnt... like Scagg here

As @TexRex once said to someone else, "some serious pot-kettle action right there." At no point was anyone else even remotely hostile (that I can gather). Yet, again, Drave decided to take things personally and tried to give those he felt offended him a taste of their own medicine. This is another example of the virtues of trying to look at a response from a neutral perspective.

Not to mention his whole rant about how he dealt with bullying in private school in no way absolves him of how he's acted here. If you want to get a mod to not ban you, apologize for the incident, learn a lesson, and move on. Don't continue down the same path; it shows us that you will not improve and letting you persist as a member of the community is pointless, if not damaging.

Then this evening I posted that I will believe that Forza 6 is expanding with a NASCAR DLC when I see it in my hand and on my XBox... otherwise I think it is a con, some wind up and personally I do not swallow wind ups nor find them funny

And that got me banned apparently, though I have no idea really if I am banned or not and..... well whatever.

This is not what got Drave banned. Cynicism is OK. Personally, I'm not overly cynical, but I have no problem with people who are. What got Drave banned is continued negativity, snark, name-calling, finger-pointing, and pretty much everything else under the sun, and all of that because he couldn't bring himself to respond to others civilly or change his ways when prompted multiple times by the moderators.

Again, if a moderator tells you to do something, you do it. They're only here to see that the community continues to run smoothly.

Now in all honesty I can be 'not easy to get along with'... I am really no angel, I do not do laws, guidelines or other people's sick because they feel like dumping it on me... I am not an unfeeling man just uncaring... I can apparently feel sorry for people but I simply do not care.

Then perhaps a forum is not the right place for you. First of all, rules/laws are there for the betterment of the community they govern. Speed limits? They're there to prevent people from going 150mph in a residential area. California's law that you can't sign up for a website if you're under 13? It's there to prevent minors from potentially seeing inappropriate stuff. GTP's rules against trolling? They exist to prevent people from being nasty for the reason of provoking an emotional response to the detriment of the conversation.

However, the biggest takeaway from this particular point is that, if you find someone of this particular personality type on a forum (or anywhere, really), just ignore them. You know what they say - don't feed the trolls.

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Well, those are all the lessons I could find in Drave's post. Take away from this post what you will. I'm off to eat breakfast now. Cya

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Oh that is wrong. One must be bullied apparently and like it. Well, I went to private school and was left entirely alone, never bullied. That was because I hired two toughest 5th formers to beat up the school bully... no, really, I did. Then I used them for muscle as I started a loan operation with the assembled children. Yes, I was of course expelled, eventually Went to a new school... did the same again. Apart from the heavies as niw i was one of the very biggest fins in the pool. Got away with it until I could walk away .... I really hated school, all those people who think respect is given not earnt... like Scagg here

Don Corleone, is that you?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Don Corleone, is that you?

Certainly is, he made them an offer they couldn't get out of History prep for.

 

[Alex p.]

I'll just shamelessly copy and paste a private post between myself and Dotini in here, I know this topic gets ridiculed and all, but I know there is much truth in it, and people need to know the truth, as people 2000 years ago told us "truth will set you free":
"Right now I'm watching the first Men in Black movie (again haha) on TV and I just had a true mind blown moment. By now you also should know that the elite/Cabal is using Hollywood to slowly disclose and at the same time ridicule the truth by holding it in our faces, so what I'm getting at, is this scene, look very exactly at his eyes at 2:34-2:36:


Now look at this high quality HD slow-mo footage of our so called "stars" of the entertainment industry and look again very exactly at her eyes at 6:19-6:22:


It really opened my eyes (slight pun intended), it never occured to me although I knew the movie for over 10 years, but only now realized the staggering similarity.

Also, this is pretty much my favourite video right now, I thought I would share it

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'll just shamelessly copy and paste a private post between myself and Dotini in here, I know this topic gets ridiculed and all, but I know there is much truth in it, and people need to know the truth, as people 2000 years ago told us "truth will set you free":
"Right now I'm watching the first Men in Black movie (again haha) on TV and I just had a true mind blown moment. By now you also should know that the elite/Cabal is using Hollywood to slowly disclose and at the same time ridicule the truth by holding it in our faces, so what I'm getting at, is this scene, look very exactly at his eyes at 2:34-2:36:


Now look at this high quality HD slow-mo footage of our so called "stars" of the entertainment industry and look again very exactly at her eyes at 6:19-6:22:


It really opened my eyes (slight pun intended), it never occured to me although I knew the movie for over 10 years, but only now realized the staggering similarity.

Also, this is pretty much my favourite video right now, I thought I would share it

Whut?

 

[Alex p.]

Whut?

Stupid comment. Post something worthwhile or don't do it at all.
All is layed down, so what exactly is the question?

 

[Dan]

Stupid comment. Post something worthwhile or don't do it at all.
All is layed down, so what exactly is the question?

Coming from the guy making a mindless ****post with the typical "evil loominarty is watching you" and "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" trash. I'm a little concerned that you believe these obviously fake and edited videos with "super-spoopy" music created by mentally ill conspiracy theorists for fear mongering and driving up sales of their garbage books. We have enough idiots in this world. Quit spreading misinformation.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Stupid comment. Post something worthwhile or don't do it at all.
All is layed down, so what exactly is the question?

Clip 1: A clip from a fictional entertainment film with an alien who's strong enough to free-jump the height of a building but who can't kick the door at the top of the stairs open.

Clip 2: A slow-mo clip of celebrities with ball-curdlingly bad music and a moment where some eyes are digitally manipulated to look reptilian.

Clip 3: A ham-fisted student-y film about our place in the world that I stopped watching after a minute.

You didn't lay anything down, you presented some fantasy clips with no further explanation. If you want to discuss such fiction rather than something worthwhile you'd be better off in the TV/Movie thread, surely?

 

[Alex p.]

Well, what a typical reaction. No wonder, simple-minded people think alike. Everyone, who loves truth, will seek it and will find it. Our religious texts talk about walking, thinking, cunning snakes interacting with humans. Many cultures from thousands years ago like the Sumerians, Mayas etc. had "dragon gods", snake gods they learned sciences from. Besides, the probability that we have not been visited is basically zero considering the age and size of the universe.
You people are absolutely hopeless. I know, ironic, because you think exactly the same about me.
And please, don't be "concerned", I'm fine.

 

[Famine]

Well, what a typical reaction. No wonder, simple-minded people think alike. Everyone, who loves truth, will seek it and will find it. Our religious texts talk about walking, thinking, cunning snakes interacting with humans. Many cultures from thousands years ago like the Sumerians, Mayas etc. had "dragon gods", snake gods they learned sciences from. Besides, the probability that we have not been visited is basically zero considering the age and size of the unsiverse.
You people are absolutely hopeless. I know, ironic, because you think exactly the same about me.
And please, don't be "concerned", I'm fine.

What is the second video actually supposed to show though? Without any particular context it seems to show what happens if you slow down video of a celebrity interview, zoom in and then sloppily apply an effect to their pupils before they blink.

What's the connection to Men in Black exactly?

 

[Aggserp4]

The first clip is from a hollywood film about aliens. The guy is supposed to be an alien! So you're basically telling us that "Hollywood is secretly disclosing the truth" therefore this means that actual aliens do this switching thing with their eyes? I don't think that's very good proof. It's just an effect used in a comical film, about aliens.

Next you show us a clip which from the title and music alone you can tell is one of those videos called made by people who have nothing better to do than take popular videos and use editing software to slow them down and show faint figures that MUST be ghosts to get views. The quality of the video is that of your average creepypasta. And even if that eye shifting thing was true, what makes you believe its related to aliens and not the camera? Just because it happened in some old movie, that was about aliens in the first place?