Aliens

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Is there extraterrestrial life?

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (non carbon based)

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon based)

    Votes: 25 3.3%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon and non carbon based)

    Votes: 82 10.8%
  • Yes, and they are humanoid creatures

    Votes: 39 5.1%
  • Yes, and they are those associated with abductions

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like

    Votes: 379 49.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 151 19.8%
  • No, they only exist in movies

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    761

simple-minded people

absolutely hopeless

Many cultures from thousands years ago like the Sumerians, Mayas etc. had "dragon gods", snake gods...

You need to brush up on your dragon legends - "snake" similarities were in the minority amongst the treasure guardians (the translation of the Greek origin). Doesn't it strike you as odd that some of them looked far more like elephants than snakes, for example?

How do you think ancients interpreted the discovery of dinosaur bones, and do you think there might be a "giant serpent" link in there somehow?

snake gods they learned sciences from.

Source required, that's complete fantasy bollocks.

Our religious texts talk about walking, thinking, cunning snakes interacting with humans.

Source?

the probability that we have not been visited is basically zero considering the age and size of the universe.

Surely the size of the universe decreases the probability of visitation given the distances? How did you arrive at basically zero? At least you've finally hinted at what that mish-mash fantasy post was about.
 
Besides, the probability that we have not been visited is basically zero considering the age and size of the universe.

It's likely that there is alien life in the universe if the Earth is not unique because it means there will be 10^a lot of chances for life to form.

Alien life does not imply space travel or intelligence though. Those would be more rare than life. How rare is difficult to pin down. What can be said is that it took life on Earth .5-1 billion years to occur. It then took 3 billion years for it to become intelligent. That's a fifth of the lifetime of the universe. The time for intelligent life to develop becomes more than a third of the age of the universe when you factor in the time it took life to develop in the first place and the time it took for the solar system to form.

It may simply be that the universe is too young to be dense with civilizations.

Everyone, who loves truth, will seek it and will find it.
No. To seek is not to find. That is an unfortunate truth. No matter how hard you work, or how convinced you are, you can be wrong about everything.
 
It may simply be that the universe is too young to be dense with civilizations.

This scares me. Why? We could very well be the only life to ever exist in this time frame. And that means if the universe winds up full of life (Think Star Wars universe), we'll all be already dead. None of us will ever get to see a universe like that. Not to mention - our Sun will probably be gone at that time, too. And knowing how stars die, Earth would be destroyed alongside the Sun...Meaning we basically never existed. Just a blip of activity.

The very idea of how worthless and irrelevant we are as a species, and the fact that any trace of us will probably be gone by the time a universe full of life happens...

someone hold me please
 
Alien life does not imply space travel or intelligence though. Those would be more rare than life. How rare is difficult to pin down. What can be said is that it took life on Earth .5-1 billion years to occur. It then took 3 billion years for it to become intelligent. That's a fifth of the lifetime of the universe. The time for intelligent life to develop becomes more than a third of the age of the universe when you factor in the time it took life to develop in the first place and the time it took for the solar system to form.

It may simply be that the universe is too young to be dense with civilizations.

It gets even worse when you consider that our form of life relies on contaminants, uncommon elements forged in first generation stars, which would not have been present in the early Universe in sufficient quantities to create planets suitable for life.

Then consider that the early Universe was more energetic, and early civilizations would have been facing extinction level events much more frequently than we do. Those arising around stars near the galactic centers probably still do.


This scares me. Why? We could very well be the only life to ever exist in this time frame. And that means if the universe winds up full of life (Think Star Wars universe), we'll all be already dead. None of us will ever get to see a universe like that. Not to mention - our Sun will probably be gone at that time, too. And knowing how stars die, Earth would be destroyed alongside the Sun...Meaning we basically never existed. Just a blip of activity.

The very idea of how worthless and irrelevant we are as a species, and the fact that any trace of us will probably be gone by the time a universe full of life happens...

someone hold me please

If it's any consolation, when we, personally, die, there will be a few billion people who will never know that we existed, except through physical traces that maybe a few thousand will ever see, and through electronic traces that may or may not last past fifty years.

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So life is already pretty much meaningless, except for whatever meaning you give to it, personally.

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On a more optimistic note, our species still has time to send out seedships. If not seedships with full vertebral organisms, at least those that can spread our bacterial life and DNA across the cosmos.

If we ever figure out how to encode instructions for humans into mega-DNA storage units, for unlocking when the protozoans encoded with the DNA encounter the right conditions, along with instructions for terraforming to create those conditions, we could spread our species out to the stars. We'd still all be long dead, by then, but it's a comforting idea.
 
What is the second video actually supposed to show though? Without any particular context it seems to show what happens if you slow down video of a celebrity interview, zoom in and then sloppily apply an effect to their pupils before they blink.

What's the connection to Men in Black exactly?

*sigh* Ok, I'll bite: I have mentioned the connection, it is the movement the eyes make, it is exactly the same, you should watch at the moments I have given a specific timeframe for, by the second. That should help, some of you are meant here, not only you Famine. I really think though that not all of those videos are manipulated/faked, at this point I'll just post two more, from which I think they are geniune:
(oh and btw.: does it really matter what music is used? I know many people doing these videos are all doom and gloom, but does it change truth or does it mean I would do the videos the exact same way? No it doesn't.)


Well yes, I know what you think and I don't want to convince anyone. i just want to share what I believe is the truth.

I know it's not a proof by any means, but it is striking that this "slit-effect" of the pupils occurs almost exclusivly on people in high positions. Yes now some of you think "doom and gloom theory of we are all controlled and helpless". Well I don't think it is all doom and gloom, although there is a higher evil at work. But it is only natural, as it is part of life. There is evil and there is good, by our standards. By universal standards it is simply a big play being played out, it simply is an expercience by which The Creator (God, the Universe, nature whatever you wanna call it) experiences himself/itself/herself. And it is also part of the experience to dismiss such ideas, hate them, redicule them, accept them, love them. To "God", this is all welcomed, as it is only experience. Our religions are heavily manipulated but they still contain some basic truths like the universal fight between good and evil, which is also fought "in heavinly reals"=higher dimensions of reality. This is the part most people do not get, they see everything as black and white=if you can't proof it, it's 🤬, then it can not be true, by any means. Well I think it is a very simple-minded attitude indeed, no offence, I'm sick of arguing and belitteling others, even if they choose so. There is simply much more to (our) reality than most people realize=want to accept.
Much in our religious and mystic texts represent truth of reality in general but almost all of it is conveyed through metaphors, mostly such even humans from thousands of years ago could understand. But as I said, many of these messages have been manipulated and corrupted, simply because we have never been alone and others profit greatly from our ignorance (that is a rather big topic in itself). People need to learn to think outside their everyday-box and try to understand not only by intellect, but also by their heart, because our nervous/thinking system is directly linked to our heart as an organ, and our emotions help also greatly in understanding things and figuring them out, this is also one thing people do not undertand, because many people have forgotton how to do so. If you never use one capability of yours, you will will never learn there is this capability/possibilty. One example of "undertanding by heart or spirit" is through meditation, this is how vedic mathematics came about. See what I am trying to explain? (this "rant" was directed too all, not directly at you Famine).

Source?
Surely the size of the universe decreases the probability of visitation given the distances? How did you arrive at basically zero? At least you've finally hinted at what that mish-mash fantasy post was about.

Texts from the bible. The story of garden Eden, where the evil, cunning snake infiltraes it and corrupts the humans by lies etc. ("Satan" the snake).

Oh, so you can proof now that in 4.5 billion years or so there is not a single civilisation to develop thechnology to traval faster than light?
 
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*sigh* Ok, I'll bite: I have mentioned the connection, it is the movement the eyes make, it is exactly the same, you should watch at the moments I have given a specific timeframe for, by the second. That should help, some of you are meant here, not only you Famine. I really think though that not all of those videos are manipulated/faked, at this point I'll just post two more, from which I think they are geniune:
(oh and btw.: does it really matter what music is used? I know many people doing these videos are all doom and gloom, but does it change truth or does it mean I would do the videos the exact same way? No it doesn't.)


Well yes, I know what you think and I don't want to convince anyone. i just want to share what I believe is the truth.

I know it's not a proof by any means, but it is striking that this "slit-effect" of the pupils occurs almost exclusivly on people in high positions. Yes now some of you think "doom and gloom theory of we are all controlled and helpless". Well I don't think it is all doom and gloom, although there is a higher evil at work. But it is only natural, as it is part of life. There is evil and there is good, by our standards. By universal standards it is simply a big play being played out, it simply is an expercience by which The Creator (God, the Universe, nature whatever you wanna call it) experiences himself/itself/herself. And it is also part of the experience to dismiss such ideas, hate them, redicule them, accept them, love them. To "God", this is all welcomed, as it is only experience. Our religions are heavily manipulated but they still contain some basic truths like the universal fight between good and evil, which is also fought "in heavinly reals"=higher dimensions of reality. This is the part most people do not get, they see everything as black and white=if you can't proof it, it's 🤬, there it can not be true, by any means. Well I think it is a very simple-minded attitude indeed, no offence, I'm sick of arguing and belitteling others, even if they choose so. There is simply much more to (our) reality than most people realize=want to accept.
Much in our religious and mystic texts represent truth of reality in general but almost all of it is conveyed through metaphors, mostly such even humans from thousands of years ago could understand. But as I said, many of these messages have been manipulated and corrupted, simply because we have never been alone and others profit greatly from our ignorance (that is a rather big topic in itself). People need to learn to think outside their everyday-box and try to understand not only by intellect, but also by their heart, because our nervous/thinking system is directly linked to our heart as an organ, and our emtions help also greatly in understanding things and figuring them out, this is also one think people do not undertand, because many people have forgotton how to do so. If you never use one capability of yours, you will will never learn there is this capability/possibilty. One example of "undertanding by heart or spirit" is through meditation, this is how vedic mathematics came about. See what I am trying to explain? (this "rant" was directed too all, not directly at you Famine).

This is the best thing I can use to comment on your post.
 
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He has a four letter surname but that video author is still able to spell it incorrectly. The only other news from that is that any sound can be "sci-fi" if you slow it down enough. Hear his eyes? Pur-lease.

I don't want to convince anyone...

Today is your lucky day then.

I know it's not a proof by any means, but it is striking that this "slit-effect" of the pupils occurs almost exclusivly on people in high positions.

It's hard to know how to reply to that.

One example of "undertanding by heart or spirit" is through meditation, this is how vedic mathematics came about. See what I am trying to explain? (this "rant" was directed too all, not directly at you Famine).

You need to stop lecturing on history. Vedic mathematics is inextant of the (purportedly) relevant sutras and is decried by most Vedic scholars except those flogging the 20th Century text.

There is simply much more to (our) reality than most people realize=want to accept.

Absolutely. You're simply looking in the wrong place, you won't find the answer in fiction.
 
*sigh* Ok, I'll bite: I have mentioned the connection, it is the movement the eyes make, it is exactly the same, you should watch at the moments I have given a specific timeframe for, by the second. That should help, some of you are meant here, not only you Famine. I really think though that not all of those videos are manipulated/faked, at this point I'll just post two more, from which I think they are geniune:
(oh and btw.: does it really matter what music is used? I know many people doing these videos are all doom and gloom, but does it change truth or does it mean I would do the videos the exact same way? No it doesn't.)


Well yes, I know what you think and I don't want to convince anyone. i just want to share what I believe is the truth.

I know it's not a proof by any means, but it is striking that this "slit-effect" of the pupils occurs almost exclusivly on people in high positions. Yes now some of you think "doom and gloom theory of we are all controlled and helpless". Well I don't think it is all doom and gloom, although there is a higher evil at work. But it is only natural, as it is part of life. There is evil and there is good, by our standards. By universal standards it is simply a big play being played out, it simply is an expercience by which The Creator (God, the Universe, nature whatever you wanna call it) experiences himself/itself/herself. And it is also part of the experience to dismiss such ideas, hate them, redicule them, accept them, love them. To "God", this is all welcomed, as it is only experience. Our religions are heavily manipulated but they still contain some basic truths like the universal fight between good and evil, which is also fought "in heavinly reals"=higher dimensions of reality. This is the part most people do not get, they see everything as black and white=if you can't proof it, it's 🤬, then it can not be true, by any means. Well I think it is a very simple-minded attitude indeed, no offence, I'm sick of arguing and belitteling others, even if they choose so. There is simply much more to (our) reality than most people realize=want to accept.
Much in our religious and mystic texts represent truth of reality in general but almost all of it is conveyed through metaphors, mostly such even humans from thousands of years ago could understand. But as I said, many of these messages have been manipulated and corrupted, simply because we have never been alone and others profit greatly from our ignorance (that is a rather big topic in itself). People need to learn to think outside their everyday-box and try to understand not only by intellect, but also by their heart, because our nervous/thinking system is directly linked to our heart as an organ, and our emotions help also greatly in understanding things and figuring them out, this is also one thing people do not undertand, because many people have forgotton how to do so. If you never use one capability of yours, you will will never learn there is this capability/possibilty. One example of "undertanding by heart or spirit" is through meditation, this is how vedic mathematics came about. See what I am trying to explain? (this "rant" was directed too all, not directly at you Famine).



Texts from the bible. The story of garden Eden, where the evil, cunning snake infiltraes it and corrupts the humans by lies etc. ("Satan" the snake).

Oh, so you can proof now that in 4.5 billion years or so there is not a single civilisation to develop thechnology to traval faster than light?


Are you serious? That's clearly a light reflecting in his eyes. And why would eyes produce such loud noise? Our reptiles are silent as I don't know what.
 
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Are you serious? That's clearly a light reflecting in his eyes. And why would eyes produce such loud noise? Our reptiles are silent as I don't know what.

Should have used a different link. It's not about the noice. It's about the slit as a pupil. It is not round.
 
I really think though that not all of those videos are manipulated/faked, at this point I'll just post two more, from which I think they are geniune
Have you seen the original footage other than as presented in these videos? You could watch them yourself and slow them down yourself so you can see for yourself. Next time someone famous is being interviewed on live TV, record the stream and slow it down yourself so no-one can interfere with the video before you get to it.

In Men In Black, the alien's pupils don't morph from round to ovoid. He just blinks sideways (which is established in the very next scene of the film as breathing, not blinking), so that doesn't show what you think either.
 
Have you seen the original footage other than as presented in these videos? You could watch them yourself and slow them down yourself so you can see for yourself. Next time someone famous is being interviewed on live TV, record the stream and slow it down yourself so no-one can interfere with the video before you get to it.

In Men In Black, the alien's pupils don't morph from round to ovoid. He just blinks sideways (which is established in the very next scene of the film as breathing, not blinking), so that doesn't show what you think either.

I didn't catch this detail, thx.
 
The following are photos of certain artifacts repatriated from a western museum to Iran, the originating country. They are said to date from the 3rd millennium BC.

Essentially identical objects are found dating to 12,000 BC at Gobekli Tepe, Turkey, 3rd millennium BC Iraq, and also to prehistoric Central America. Often they are represented as baskets held in the hands of deities or culture heroes.

I think they are symbolic seed baskets, representing agricultural technology.

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Scorpion man




Fish man


Double helix



Meso-American


Sumerian


Leaf and acorn


Gobekli Tepe, 12000 BC
baskets above, buzzards, scorpions below.
 
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We probably are all alone in the universe.

So possibly not.

If there are aliens, where are they?

On a habitable planet somewhere?

Why haven't we been contacted yet?

How do you know we haven't? Say for example that we sent a message to the galaxy closest to us saying "We are Earth, we're here!" it would take 2,500,000 years to get there. Who's to say that there's sentient life there actually monitoring for a signal at the moment of arrival? The odds are loooong.
 
Aliens and extra terrestrial life fascinates me a bit I think it's the wanting to believe but I am the type of person I need to see it in front of my own two eyes to believe it.
With the thousands of UFO sighting and abduction reports there has to be something going on.
I don't know for sure, But what confuses me is if aliens have visited the earth why should they stay hush hush on it why don't they let us know for real not in a Independence Will Smith kinda way but to travel as far as they apparently do they are far cleverer than us so show yourselves stop teasing us with the odd sighting please. If any aliens are reading this don't be shy we won't be nasty look we accepted John Major and John Terry so we are not that bad.
 
No mate it is because that programme called Ufo files unsealed and Hangar 1 UFO something or other on H2 channel and a couple of others too a bit like the reports of sightings etc shot up when the x files were being shown.:)

Who do you think is an alien in the world in your own sneaky suspicions?
I think Stephen Hawkings is and Barbra Windsor and Jeremy Kyle and a few more, who do you think is possibly an alien?
 
This article has an interesting take on why belief in UFOs and aliens is on the rise again. In part, they say its cyclic, and based on the human psyche.

https://theconversation.com/why-are-people-starting-to-believe-in-ufos-again-61717


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The front page of the July 6, 1947, edition of the Roswell Daily Record. Wikimedia Commons

So in other words we wont get any more disclosed info unless we file a freedom of information for it. Cause Podesta wasn't able to do stuff during Obama admin so why during Clinton?
 
Dan
Hillary Clinton. Normally, I'd say the "lizard people" conspiracy theorists need to lay off LSD and meth, but they might be onto something. ;)

You know, I'm not sure on the lizard people thing, but the Hilary/Trump race does remind me of something alien related.



Now we just have to figure out who the real life Homer is.:lol:
 
Some claim aliens walk among us on a daily basis. Some say they have seen aliens or that they have been abducted. There are interesting structures and images here on Earth that persuade some folks into thinking that aliens have been here in the ancient past, or that advanced civilizations once existed but are now gone. World religions often involve heavenly beings in their creation myths. A very large percentage of people believe aliens exist somewhere. But there is no proof of any of this, except for some vanished civilizations.

But evidence exists that could be looked at, piece by piece. "Men in Black" originated long before the movies in the form of stories from UFO witnesses who were warned against coming forward by these mysterious agents. They could have been aliens, or government operatives of some kind. Or they could have been a tulpa, ghost or psychic apparition. No Man in Black, UFO or Bigfoot has ever been found, in whole or in part. It's probably mostly in your mind. But that is a whole new topic.
 
Is there a thread discussing CERN, and different realms etc etc? I know it's not related to this thread. But does one exist.?
 
Is there a thread discussing CERN, and different realms etc etc? I know it's not related to this thread. But does one exist.?
There is a conspiracy thread, and a space in general thread. Maybe religion? You could talk about it here.
 
The following links cover a special class of UFO sightings - those over US military nuclear bases of one kind or another. In the mid sixties I spent time at my family fishing cabin on Hood Canal, within 0.5 miles of a US Navy submarine base at Bangor which was believed to have serviced nuclear powered submarines at the time. There, my family and I, and many others, observed glowing balls of light mysteriously traversing and hovering above the fjord and the base. So I am certain there is at least some basis for the stories and videos you are about to see.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/i-team-new-film-claims-ufos-monitored-nuclear-weapons
Officially, the U.S. government ended its study of UFOs in 1969 because -- it assured the public -- there is no proof the phenomena represents a threat to national security.

But what if these unknown aircraft showed an interest in our nuclear weapons?

A group of more than 150 military veterans, missile officers, and security personnel, including many who worked at the Nevada Test Site, say they've seen mystery intruders over nuclear facilities.


http://www.ufohastings.com/documentary
UFOs and Nukes: The Secret Link Revealed

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Watch UFOs and Nukes film on Vimeo
The reality of UFO incursions at American nuclear weapons facilities has been convincingly established. Hundreds of U.S. military veterans now openly discuss these ominous incidents and thousands of declassified government documents affirm their assertions.

Over the past four decades, noted researcher Robert Hastings has interviewed more than 150 of those veterans regarding their involvement in one case or another. On September 27, 2010, CNN live-streamed his UFOs and Nukes press conference in Washington D.C. during which former U.S. Air Force missileers described occasions when several ICBMs mysteriously malfunctioned moments after a disc-shaped craft was observed hovering near their underground launch silos.

Hastings’ intriguing documentary film, UFOs and Nukes: The Secret Link Revealed, is now available at Vimeo On Demand. Unlike many of the UFO “documentaries” found on network television nowadays, which contain far more speculation than fact, this film rigorously examines the officially-still-hidden history of UFO activity at nuclear weapons laboratories, test areas, storage depots and missile sites—using authenticated files and the testimony of vetted military eyewitnesses.

The evidence presented makes clear that humans’ deadliest weapons have been, since their development and use during World War II, under intense scrutiny by still-unidentified observers. Significantly, documents smuggled out of Russia in the 1990s confirm that Soviet nukes were also the focus of UFO interest during the Cold War era. More recently, U.S. Air Force personnel have alleged a UFO involvement in one large-scale missile-disruption incident in October 2010. In short, the situation is still unfolding.

When asked to explain the purpose of the film, Hastings says, “Public education. Someone possessing tremendously advanced technology has monitored and even tampered with American and Russian nuclear weapons for decades. My view is that UFOs are piloted by beings from another world. These stunning, nearly unbelievable developments must not be kept secret by a handful of government and military officials. We all have a right to know the facts.”
 
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