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Rokinon 24mm f/1.4. Although you don't need this specific type, you want something with a low F/stop to take in as much light as possible. The lowest f/stop I have right now is the kit 18-55 f/3.5-5.6...

That shot you linked is a 40 image panorama from what I quickly found out. And I imagine it was shot on something slower than f/1.4, and that it was extensively edited to get those colors. Ian is a great resource for astrophotography, and certainly helped me decide on getting my Rokinon 12mm F/2 for my EOS M, but that review you linked is paired with the best low light camera on the market, period.

You aren't going to magically produce compelling images simply because you picked up a great piece of glass. And with a modern sensor, F/3.5 is more than fast enough at the wide end, as star trails are also a function of focal length. Digging though some of you recent images, I would recommend you sit down and study your exposures, as several make little sense - "Go Away" with the high ISO and shutter speed paired with a wide open aperture just doesn't compute. Go out and practice now rather than waiting for some money to come in for glass, and practice your post production because that is fairly essential in creating the more detailed astrophotography images, star trails or static ones.

For the record, Rokinon makes excellent glass and I endorse their lenses often. Their 24/1.4 is great based on the reviews, but note that Ian had one bad copy out of the four he has owned. So be prepared to check for that on arrival.

Also, an example from their full frame fisheye from me, at F/3.5, though the Milky Way isn't the primary feature of the photo you get an idea.


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^ What he said.

I took the following image with my so-so combo of D7000 with a 14mm Bell & Howell f2.8 lens. It's nowhere near the quality of @Azuremen's shot above, but shows that Milky Way shots are more than possible without spunking loads on a high-end lens. This one was fixed aperture (f2.8), 15 sec, ISO 4000. I'd have dropped the ISO if I could and bumped up the exposure time, but this was the least I could manage that didn't start to introduce star trails.

DSC_1240 by Vitesse Photography, on Flickr​

And had I shot in RAW rather than just a quickfire jpeg, and maybe spent a little more time on composition, and spent some time editing it, it'd have come out better.

This was facing the other direction, incidentally, same exposure/ISO/f-number. Even have a bit of Andromeda action in this one:

DSC_1239 by Vitesse Photography, on Flickr​
 
Cool subject matter 👍

My 2c: I suppose unavoidable unless you want to be sitting in that trench with a wider FL, but the pickaxe is the first thing my eye is drawn to. Maybe a lower F may have tightened the subject up - the logs are in focus so you may have had more DOF then you realised?
 
I suppose unavoidable unless you want to be sitting in that trench with a wider FL

Oh I would have been if allowed. :lol:

but the pickaxe is the first thing my eye is drawn to. Maybe a lower F may have tightened the subject up - the logs are in focus so you may have had more DOF then you realised?

The pickaxe didn't stand out a lot to me while editing it but now you mention it yes it does grab the eye a bit.
As for the DOF and the logs I think there are a couple of things going on.
It was at 5.6 and with the distance from the subject explains having a decent amount of DOF, there was so much going on that at times I couldn't keep up with thumbing to the settings I would have preferred, all part of the learning experience.

More striking to me though after looking at the pic again here on GTP and Flickr there is some serious sharpening going on after I've exported it from Lightroom. I'm assuming Flickr is adding some and maybe when it gets linked to here also?
Just looking at my export again I can see that the logs aren't in as sharp focus in comparison to the vehicle.

Something I'll have to be aware of in future, thanks for the feedback. 👍
 
That shot you linked is a 40 image panorama from what I quickly found out. And I imagine it was shot on something slower than f/1.4, and that it was extensively edited to get those colors.
Yeah, I just searched for the lens and added panorama to it.
but that review you linked is paired with the best low light camera on the market, period.
I also watched his YT video (his or someone else's) about it and I do understand that, but from what he was shooting is still within the range of a D3200 (IIRC it was in-between 1600-3200 ISO).
You aren't going to magically produce compelling images simply because you picked up a great piece of glass. And with a modern sensor, F/3.5 is more than fast enough at the wide end, as star trails are also a function of focal length. Digging though some of you recent images, I would recommend you sit down and study your exposures, as several make little sense - "Go Away" with the high ISO and shutter speed paired with a wide open aperture just doesn't compute. Go out and practice now rather than waiting for some money to come in for glass, and practice your post production because that is fairly essential in creating the more detailed astrophotography images, star trails or static ones.
Some of those recent images are poor mistakes by my end. For the one you mentioned with the clouds, I had left the ISO way too high from a previous shot when it was much darker (and the clouds were much lower so that's why I attempted to shoot it). I'd say the last six images I've put on there were all messed up. The last star trail I did was a single exposure around an hour, and I've tried that before but messed up too badly, and learned that too much light was getting into the sensor..

And the image you posted I like a lot actually. The only thing I don't like is the fact it was on a fish-eyed lens. I just can't seem to think it looks good (it does don't get me wrong but the overall concept of these lenses) with the corners clipped. Although you probably can't get the same effect of the trees, I just think that you are loosing space (the scene whatever) with the corners clipped.

And I do realize that the lense isn't going to bring out deep sky objects that good, but it's still better than my kit lens and 24mm is around the overall focal length that I shoot. I don't reallly like a 35mm on my Dx, nor do I like it on my Minolta (which is film) but I'd like to keep the lens as long as I can, even when I upgraded to a full-framed camera.
I hope this doesn't come back as arrogance because I noted all you points, but I've done a lot of research especially what is the most cost effective for me. I'd go out and buy the Nikon option if I had that much, but I don't.... And my most recent images don't really justify me lately as they are full of mistakes. I would have posted an image today too of the sky last night but it has been raining lately so it was overcast. After I get the lens somtime around Christmas I'll be upgrading my tripod from a pan to a ball-head too, so if you have a recomendation their I'll take it.
 
I have no idea how you guys do it, I tried shooting pictures of the milky way but with the aperture set to 15-20 the earth spin makes the stars appear elongated and the shifting layers of air in the atmosphere ruins the sharpness.
 
I have no idea how you guys do it, I tried shooting pictures of the milky way but with the aperture set to 15-20 the earth spin makes the stars appear elongated and the shifting layers of air in the atmosphere ruins the sharpness.
wat?

post an image of what you're talking about exactly... I can't tell exactly what you're getting but it sounds like this (star-trails):
Cold as Hell by Jacobbuchanan897, on Flickr
 
Some of those recent images are poor mistakes by my end. For the one you mentioned with the clouds, I had left the ISO way too high from a previous shot when it was much darker (and the clouds were much lower so that's why I attempted to shoot it). I'd say the last six images I've put on there were all messed up. The last star trail I did was a single exposure around an hour, and I've tried that before but messed up too badly, and learned that too much light was getting into the sensor..

Then why are you publishing images that, in your own words, are "messed up?" Sure, it is getting favorites, but that doesn't really say anything besides you have some buddies on flickr.

And the image you posted I like a lot actually. The only thing I don't like is the fact it was on a fish-eyed lens. I just can't seem to think it looks good (it does don't get me wrong but the overall concept of these lenses) with the corners clipped. Although you probably can't get the same effect of the trees, I just think that you are loosing space (the scene whatever) with the corners clipped.

Well, area of projection on a lens that wide is going to clip corners. You simply aren't going to get a field of view that wide with anything but a fisheye. Sure, the Nikon 11-22 F/2.8 is good if you want rectilinear, but it costs about ten times as much. The main point was to demonstrate F/3.5 being effective for capturing detail at night.

I hope this doesn't come back as arrogance because I noted all you points, but I've done a lot of research especially what is the most cost effective for me. I'd go out and buy the Nikon option if I had that much, but I don't.... And my most recent images don't really justify me lately as they are full of mistakes. I would have posted an image today too of the sky last night but it has been raining lately so it was overcast. After I get the lens somtime around Christmas I'll be upgrading my tripod from a pan to a ball-head too, so if you have a recomendation their I'll take it.

It just comes off as a blend of excuses and knowing-it-all. You claim to know what you are doing yet excuse away your recent images while still claiming gear will fix things.

Practice. And don't just practice random pictures of the stars - get context and actually create compositions. Learn to check your exposure before shooting, even if it means reviewing images more often in the field. Evaluate your editing as your contrast and saturation are pretty wild in many shots, to the extent of being distracting; study up astrophotographic editing methods too, because you aren't getting the most out of your raw files I suspect.

Oddly enough, I learned on a Minolta X-700 about a decade ago, and grew up on a local airport in 172s and a Skymaster for cross country travel. With a strong interest in astronomy. But the learning curve to astrophotography, and photography in general, isn't nearly as steep because sensors out perform film in high ISO and you can check exposures instantly.

And another shot, this time 30s, F/4.5, ISO-4000, at 28mm on the 5Dii.



Note context and framing. And that you could easily produce a similar image at 18mm, F/3.5, ISO-2500ish, with your setup.

Or this one with the Fisheye again, which you couldn't produce without an 8mm...



I have no idea how you guys do it, I tried shooting pictures of the milky way but with the aperture set to 15-20 the earth spin makes the stars appear elongated and the shifting layers of air in the atmosphere ruins the sharpness.

I assume when you say aperture you mean shutter? Your aperture should be the smallest number possible, with your ISO on the camera as high as it can go before noise becomes an issue. You'll have to focus manually on something in the distance, as auto-focus won't focus on stars - use liveview if your camera has it.
 
I assume when you say aperture you mean shutter? Your aperture should be the smallest number possible, with your ISO on the camera as high as it can go before noise becomes an issue. You'll have to focus manually on something in the distance, as auto-focus won't focus on stars - use liveview if your camera has it.
Whoops! Yes, I meant shutter speed!

I already figured out my problem, I didn't realize the camera setting was constantly overriding my custom settings. Silly me. Now with F actually set to 3.5 I finally can make decent night shots. WOOT! :dopey:

30 Seconds exposure with ISO set around 2500, F3.5, 16mm, FUJI XM-1

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Then why are you publishing images that, in your own words, are "messed up?" Sure, it is getting favorites, but that doesn't really say anything besides you have some buddies on flickr.
The main purpose why I post here too is because I used to get a lot of feedback. Whether or not everyone seems to have gone out and made their own galleries and not return here is up to them. I don't care for the favorites or views, I just want to know what others may have done differently. Yes a lot of my work is just star trails, but I've been waiting for my school work to die down a little and go else-where and try to do different shots...
It just comes off as a blend of excuses and knowing-it-all. You claim to know what you are doing yet excuse away your recent images while still claiming gear will fix things.
Well I'm sorry that's how it may seem like I'm expressing myself. I don't run a business off of my pictures, nor do I have my own website for them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be posting in this thread. Having a kit lens for almost a year know has gotten a bit... boring I guess. I want to try other things that currently I can't do. I've said from the beginning since posting in this thread that I prefer a wide-angle over much anything else because those are just the images I seem to shoot most and like best.
study up astrophotographic editing methods too, because you aren't getting the most out of your raw files I suspect.
The past couple of months I have been. I also don't have lightroom or PS yet, but I had been tinkering with the trial for the last month (which is now expired...) and a lot of my recent photos were raw.. I'll spend the money on a lens pretty easily after researching it, but it's software that I'm weary about purchasing...
Note context and framing. And that you could easily produce a similar image at 18mm, F/3.5, ISO-2500ish, with your setup.
I can only wish I had my camera at the time when I went to Colorado last year on a hiking trip. I live not too far from Atlanta, and therefore suffer from light pollution badly (not to make an excuse but that's just a fact..).

Maybe tomorrow I'll be able to leave the house (provided that it's not too overcast) and try some other spots to shoot at...
 
Hate to break the awesome sky theme you all have going here but I recently tried some "Studio/Product" photos.

I made my "Soft box" out of 4 pieces of high gloss paper haha and used a couple studio lights.

Thoughts on what I could do better with the equipment I have pleaseeeee. :)

Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
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Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
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Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
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60.0 mm
Iso 100​


Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
ƒ/11.0
60.0 mm
Iso 100​
 
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I'm really happy with how this set turned out. Only wish I could have gotten to the first meet point quicker to take more as there were far less cars at this last leg, what with it being 11:30pm.
 
Couple of test photos with the D7200. Since it's bloody cold out at the moment and the street I'm on isn't well lit the car wasn't the best subject so instead my girlfriend's sleeping kitty got in front of the lens.

Also since Photoshop Camera Raw and DNG Converter don't have (official) support for this camera yet these are just jpegs.

DSC_0014 by Murcie_LP640, on Flickr

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So.... I did this over the weekend.

Singled Out by Jacobbuchanan897, on Flickr

and I tried a night shot of a panorama I did a few weeks ago...

Bright Nights by Jacobbuchanan897, on Flickr

I should've brought a flashlight to brighten up the left a bit, and maybe the ground too.... It was almost a full-moon last night (It may have been) so I wasn't expecting much, but I just wanted to try it out. Now I'm itching like crazy along my legs from wearing shorts...
 
Tried a couple of more shots. Getting a good focus at night is really hard. :ill:
Does your lens have an infinity setting? That's generally a safe bet when snapping the night sky - unless you're trying to get those trees in focus, in which case you'll want something short of that. But really I'd advise using the trees as more of a border - don't try and focus on them, otherwise the interesting bit (the stars) won't be quite in focus.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Nice enough, though the wheels are underexposed in all of them. I know that shooting a white car with black wheels isn't the easiest, though that probably makes a case for doing some post-processing to bring them out a bit.
 
Nice enough, though the wheels are underexposed in all of them. I know that shooting a white car with black wheels isn't the easiest, though that probably makes a case for doing some post-processing to bring them out a bit.

Thanks for the input, I considered it but Im trying to break my habit of over processing and I felt like if I brightened them up it would look fake. Still gotta find my balance/style....


Edit* I guess I can share this one. The time of day was off but it was really nice with all the rain.

 
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