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The market will sort that out real quick. When people leave Twitter in droves and it hemorrhages money, it'll either go back to how it was or it'll sink. Honestly, right now all I see on Twitter is the occasional political tweet and a whole bunch of Rule 34 cartoons that pop up in the weirdest place.
 
The market will sort that out real quick. When people leave Twitter in droves and it hemorrhages money, it'll either go back to how it was or it'll sink. Honestly, right now all I see on Twitter is the occasional political tweet and a whole bunch of Rule 34 cartoons that pop up in the weirdest place.
Is what Twitter has something that CAN'T be replicated elsewhere? If yes, then there will be a small "dark age" where information can't be shared as quickly. If no, then Twitter will be replaced and it becomes the newest Myspace.
 
Is what Twitter has something that CAN'T be replicated elsewhere? If yes, then there will be a small "dark age" where information can't be shared as quickly. If no, then Twitter will be replaced and it becomes the newest Myspace.
It can be replaced, however as those who've attempted to start their own social media platform (e.g. Trump) have shown, it's not exactly easy. The concept is simple, but getting people to bite is another thing completely. Still, never underestimate the power of young people. MySpace faded because the younger generation migrated towards Facebook. It's not inconceivable that some kid will come up with something that attracts the younger generation to use it and before they know it, they'll be swimming in a pool of money.
 
It can be replaced, however as those who've attempted to start their own social media platform (e.g. Trump) have shown, it's not exactly easy.
Apparently it's easier to just buy an established one. Musk already has a history of abusing twitter to manipulate the stock market and people in general. I think Musk is a big proponent of "free speech" twitter, meaning no attempt to stifle misinformation. Generally speaking, a wide open, but widely trusted, platform like twitter is the authoritarian movement's dream. They've been clawing for it for a long time, and Musk seems like just the guy to hand it to them under the guise of "free speech".

I would not have thought that an open forum would be a good thing for authoritarians, but people are far more willing to self-censor their information intake than I would have expected.
 
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The market will sort that out real quick. When people leave Twitter in droves and it hemorrhages money, it'll either go back to how it was or it'll sink.
I want to add that that this doesn't happen because of Musk's attachment.

Twitter is appealing to so many because of moderation. Twitter doesn't do moderation particularly well (this isn't so much a failing of Twitter as it is a reality that moderation isn't actually possible to do well at the scale necessitated by 6,000 tweets per second) and yet they may actually do it better than any of its direct competitors (which is to say the staggeringly large social media platforms that compete for user screen time rather than those that offer a similar experience at a much smaller scale).

Do away with moderation as some purport to want and you make Twitter less appealing for the average user. Twitter actually tried a hands-off approach at one point and it bombed hard. When Twitter becomes less appealing to a large chunk of its user base, it loses them and it loses the revenue that they represent.

There are already toxic, ideological cesspits (Gab immediately comes to mind) and they draw a fraction of a fraction of the eyes that Twitter does.

The alternative is Musk takes it private so that there are no longer shareholders to whom to be beholden ("to whom to be beholden"--I think I got that right) and he more directly monetizes it (by making it fee-based) so that he still makes money and he's able to more effectively control the conversation.

Exactly nobody is surprised. The party-line vote (6-2) of the Select Committee on Investigations to not recommend impeachment will be considered by the full South Dakota House of Representatives (with 88.5% Republican control) at a later date.
Amazingly, the South Dakota House of Representatives voted Tuesday to impeach Ravnsborg, 36-31. It heads to trial in the Senate where Republicans hold 32 of 35 seats.
 
I was in South Dakota last month and that was the major topic of discussion: you know damn well if you hit a deer or not and you'd check pretty close to immediately if there's not an ongoing snowstorm. There's no traffic in the way, either...it's sparsely populated that you have to be distracted to hit anything.

Lately it's become a surprise when people want their leaders to actually be accountable, but still pathetic when the safety nets aren't used as they should.
 
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I was in South Dakota last month and that was the major topic of discussion: you know damn well if you hit a deer or not and you'd check pretty close to immediately if there's not an ongoing snowstorm. There's no traffic in the way, either...it's sparsely populated that you have to be distracted to hit anything.

Lately it's become a surprise when people want their leaders to actually be accountable...
If said AG cannot differentiate between a deer or a person, he probably shouldn't be allowed to run for office... of anything... ever.
 
I've really enjoyed Twitter and I'm not looking forward to giving up my account if known paedophile Elon Musk buys it.

Just expressing my FrEe SpEeCh on the matter.
 
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Is this tongue in cheek or did I miss something?
The case of the football team trapped in a Thai cave about 7-8 years ago, Musk called an English diver involved in the rescue effort a paedophile in a tweet. If I remember, Musk had a proposal about how to rescue them and those involved in actually doing it disagreed with his method and got really butthurt about it.
 
I was in South Dakota last month and that was the major topic of discussion: you know damn well if you hit a deer or not and you'd check pretty close to immediately if there's not an ongoing snowstorm.
It wasn't wearing glasses? Possibly a deer. It was wearing glasses? Likely not a deer.
There's no traffic in the way, either...it's sparsely populated that you have to be distracted to hit anything.
Like browsing the internet on your phone:



That's illegal in South Dakota (as of July 2020) even if you don't kill someone.

Musk had an unnecessarily complicated proposal about how to rescue them
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The case of the football team trapped in a Thai cave about 7-8 years ago, Musk called an English diver involved in the rescue effort a paedophile in a tweet. If I remember, Musk had a proposal about how to rescue them and those involved in actually doing it disagreed with his method and got really butthurt about it.
On a related note, if you've not seen the documentary on this (currently circulating on Disney+), it's definitely a good watch. Watching that, there's absolutely no chance musk could have helped.
 
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On a related note, if you've not seen the documentary on this (currently circulating on Disney+), it's definitely a good watch. Watching that, there's absolutely no chance musk could have helped.
But...submarine!
 
And therefore, whenever Musk talks about FrEe SpEeCh, the wrong kind where people assume you can say anything you want, references to Musk's butthurt paedophile tweet are common.
 
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The case of the football team trapped in a Thai cave about 7-8 years ago, Musk called an English diver involved in the rescue effort a paedophile in a tweet. If I remember, Musk had a proposal about how to rescue them and those involved in actually doing it disagreed with his method and got really butthurt about it.
Wait, so he calls someone a pedophile and that instantly makes him one too? Logic.
 
I feel like there's no actual intent to buy Twitter here by Elon. Seems like by threatening to buy Twitter or "reconsider his position as a shareholder", he's just playing games to manipulate stocks, so that when they say "No", he sells off his shares & makes some sort of profit.

Wouldn't be the first time he's played these games, and doesn't seem like the SEC ever punishes him for it.
 
I feel like there's no actual intent to buy Twitter here by Elon. Seems like by threatening to buy Twitter or "reconsider his position as a shareholder", he's just playing games to manipulate stocks, so that when they say "No", he sells off his shares & makes some sort of profit.

Wouldn't be the first time he's played these games, and doesn't seem like the SEC ever punishes him for it.
I can only hope this is what he's up to.
 
Wouldn't be the first time he's played these games, and doesn't seem like the SEC ever punishes him for it.
Some of the things he's done are likely to have fallen under SEC purview and may or may not have been punishable by law. I'm not sure this specific thing does or should, and is or should be.
 
Some of the things he's done are likely to have fallen under SEC purview and may or may not have been punishable by law. I'm not sure this specific thing does or should, and is or should be.
It definitely seems to leave a real sour taste in many's mouths, though. I've seen others share the stance that he's rich enough to make this sort of giant move, manipulate the market, then make millions off it w/ maybe some tiny fine that's nothing more than a slap on the wrist. But, if the common man tried to make a similar move, then there would be actual repercussions.

People just don't seem to rightfully be buying this, "I want to buy Twitter for free speech" or whatever malarkey & believe there's definitely a financial agenda behind this.
 
It definitely seems to leave a real sour taste in many's mouths, though. I've seen others share the stance that he's rich enough to make this sort of giant move, manipulate the market, then make millions off it w/ maybe some tiny fine that's nothing more than a slap on the wrist. But, if the common man tried to make a similar move, then there would be actual repercussions.
Yeah, sour taste, but what's the cause of action here? Whether it's civil or criminal, what is it? Is that actually reasonable?

Laws here should prevent legitimate harm without violating rights. If a law doesn't actually prevent legitimate harm, maybe it shouldn't be on the books. If a law prevents legitimate harm but also violates rights, it shouldn't be on the books or it should be reworked so as to prevent legitimate harm without violating rights. If, in the process of not preventing legitimate harm, a law violates rights, then that law should definitely not be on the books.

So punishing Musk for this expression is likely to violate his right to said expression unless through expression he's reasonably said to have caused legitimate harm. Is there legitimate harm here? Can Musk's expression be reasonably said to have resulted in that legitimate harm?

Action by the SEC is likely to be a criminal one, but civil action is an alternative.

You may recall that Musk was the defendant in a libel suit filed by the diver in Thailand whom Musk opined was a pedophile. Vernon Unsworth, the British expat whose presence in Thailand Musk questioned on Twitter, filed a suit over Musk's online remarks. In the United States (Unsworth filed suit in Los Angeles, in addition to the UK where he opted to drop his suit), a civil cause of action in this form necessitates false statement of fact and that requirement wasn't satisfied by Musk expressing an opinion, however contemptible.

People just don't seem to rightfully be buying this, "I want to buy Twitter for free speech" or whatever malarkey & believe there's definitely a financial agenda behind this.
****in' A right, Musk isn't interested in free speech. Musk is interested in affecting consequences (specifically a lack thereof) for some speech. He's okay with consequences for other speech, though, even going so far as proposing actual consequences for it.

But that's not the dynamic at play here. Not really. Yeah, there's undoubtedly financial motivation, but I'd suggest this is primarily about garnering attention, and so Musk is doing things he can expect to garner attention. Some of the things he says or does reasonably get attention, and this is maybe more likely to be one of those things than not, while he does other things that absolutely should not get attention, but they do anyway.



Remember what I said about proposing consequences for disfavored speech?



Yeah, automated spam is commonly loathed, but one can't be a "free speech absolutist" as Musk purports to be and propose consequences for speech which is disfavored or loathed.
 
Yeah, automated spam is commonly loathed, but one can't be a "free speech absolutist" as Musk purports to be and propose consequences for speech which is disfavored or loathed.
Like... a federal ban on spam bots? That'd be a first amendment violation for sure. But twitter banning it would be fine. If musk buys twitter and takes it private, he'd be able to get them banned.
 
Like... a federal ban on spam bots? That'd be a first amendment violation for sure. But twitter banning it would be fine. If musk buys twitter and takes it private, he'd be able to get them banned.
Yeah, there are no free speech (which the First Amendment guarantees) implications for Twitter's actions, whether or not Musk is at the helm, but this is keyed into Musk's free speech absolutist shtick. He frequently conflates free speech infringement and action by Twitter.

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Yeah, there are no free speech (which the First Amendment guarantees) implications for Twitter's actions, whether or not Musk is at the helm, but this is keyed into Musk's free speech absolutist shtick. He frequently conflates free speech infringement and action by Twitter.

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I really hope this guy doesn't end up running twitter. Granted I don't really like twitter, but this is not a good direction for any of us.
 
I really hope this guy doesn't end up running twitter. Granted I don't really like twitter, but this is not a good direction for any of us.
I used to think Twitter was awful. I've come to recognize it as mostly mirroring real-world interactions, the obvious exceptions being anonymity which, when chosen, allows people to be more awful to others than they're likely to be in the real world (yeah, there are exceptions where people are just as awful in the real world), and the "algorithm" (BOO!!!), which, while not a bad thing in and of itself, does feed people things to which they maybe shouldn't have such easy access, all for profit because it keeps eyes on the screen for that much longer. I no longer feel any particular way about Twitter itself, even as I disagree with some of the things its runners do.

Musk taking it over is likely to result in an exodus from it, which would be unfortunate for me because I do appreciate some of the content it hosts.
 
I used to think Twitter was awful. I've come to recognize it as mostly mirroring real-world interactions
To be clear, my dislike of twitter is not so much about the content it hosts as it is about the interface and presentation. I find it quite difficult to read and follow. I think of it kinda like facebook, a generally crap website design that has no business being as popular as it is.
 
To be clear, my dislike of twitter is not so much about the content it hosts as it is about the interface and presentation. I find it quite difficult to read and follow. I think of it kinda like facebook, a generally crap website design that has no business being as popular as it is.
But GTPlanet gets that bit right, right?

:P
 
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