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But GTPlanet gets that bit right, right?

:P

Don't @GTPLANET me, got it?!? ;)

I get Danoff's concerns; I lurk Twitter sometimes, but you really feel like you're spending more time unraveling a mystery: Someone throws a quick one-liner which becomes the popular thing in your feed. Depending on your knowledge of what precise event is happening, or the background of that user, you're then flailing around trying to figure it out. Or a quick pot-shot and you have no idea who that individual/company/entity is, so you have to figure it out by DOS 2.0 logic: (Abort) separate research (Retry) hive mind (Ignore) who cares?

But then you get a joke about baseball mixed in there, so you get more distracted until the next joke about how the Undersecretary to the Committee Chairperson for the Well-Being of Caterpillars and Aluminum Siding accidentally tweeted the wrong emoji during their wait for the automatic teller.
 
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Okay, okay, but hear me out...

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On April 25, the Supreme Court will hear Kennedy v. Bremerton School District, a case that was carefully engineered to return prayer to public schools. Kennedy marks an effort to overturn nearly 60 years of precedent protecting schoolchildren from state-sponsored religion by flipping the First Amendment on its head. The case erases the rights of children who wish to avoid religious coercion at school, fixating instead on the right of school officials to practice their religion during the course of their formal duties. It is the culmination of a decadeslong battle to reframe government neutrality toward religion as unconstitutional discrimination against people of faith. And it is chillingly likely to succeed.

It would be a mistake, however, to view Kennedy as a mere doctrinal shift in constitutional law, as radical as that doctrinal shift would be. This case is also the product of the Republican political campaign aimed at restoring public schools’ authority to indoctrinate students with Christianity. The campaign is on the brink of success in the courts because proponents of school prayer have perfected a tactic that reverses the victim and offender.

Today, school officials who coerce students into prayer go on the offensive, claiming that any attempt to halt their efforts at religious coercion is actually persecution of their religious beliefs. Supervisors, lawmakers, and judges who attempt to shield children from being indoctrinated are recast as anti-Christian bigots.

If there were any doubt about this inversion of the First Amendment, the House of Representatives recently decided to dispel it. Late last month, the House was considering a bill to name a federal courthouse in Florida after Joseph W. Hatchett, the first Black man to serve on that state’s Supreme Court.The bipartisan bill was sponsored by Florida’s two Republican senators and backed unanimously by its 27 House members—until, suddenly, it wasn’t.

As the New York Times explained:
With little notice and nothing more than a 23-year-old news clipping, a right-wing, first-term congressman mounted an 11th-hour effort on the House floor to persuade his colleagues that Judge Hatchett, a trailblazing judge who broke barriers as the first Black State Supreme Court justice south of the Mason-Dixon line, was undeserving of being honored.
The 23-year-old news clipping? It was a brief account of a decision Hatchett had written in 1999 as a judge on the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. His opinion struck down a policy allowing student-approved prayers at public school graduation ceremonies in Florida as a violation of the First Amendment’s establishment clause. Republican Rep. Andrew Clyde of Georgia, disgusted by this outcome, circulated the article to every Republican member of the House ostensibly under the theory that they should be aware of Hatchett’s alleged anti-religious animus before honoring his memory with a courthouse.

In reality, the pioneering Hatchett—an army veteran who faced racial segregation when he took the bar in 1959—ruled in that fashion because he was obligated to. Ample Supreme Court precedent, most notably the 1992 decision Lee v. Weisman, barred sectarian prayer in public schools. In 2000, SCOTUS would also vindicate Hatchett in Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe, a 6–3 decision holding that a school district policy allowing even student-led prayer at football games violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

This vindication didn’t matter. To Clyde and many of his Republican colleagues, applying precedent that limited school prayer was an unforgivable sin that marred an entire legacy. So unforgivable, in fact, that it disqualifies Hatchett from respect and commemoration as a civil rights hero who broke down racial barriers at every turn in his long career, desegregating two different courts in the Deep South.

How did we get here? To start, we have to turn back to Kennedy, a case that clarifies, with depressing topicality, the vilification of Judge Hatchett. Joe Kennedy was a football coach in Washington state who led explicitly religious prayer circles with students at the 50-yard line after games. When the school district discovered this conduct in 2015, it repeatedly sought to accommodate his beliefs, asking him to pray in a less public location to avoid conveying the school’s endorsement of his beliefs. Kennedy refused, instead hiring lawyers at the far-right First Liberty Institute to threaten the school with a lawsuit.

He and his lawyers then launched a media blitz, falsely claiming that he had been persecuted for quiet, private prayer. School district officials were inundated with hateful threats from the public. His postgame prayer circles then became a spectacle, with media and spectators rushing onto the field to watch or join. At one game, students racing from the stands tripped over cables and knocked over members of the school band; parents later complained about the “stampede” threatening their children’s safety. In effect, Kennedy had hijacked the school’s football games to pray with team members in the most public manner conceivable. After he refused multiple offers of potential accommodations, the school placed him on paid administrative leave.

The next year, he did not apply for a contract renewal—then falsely claimed that he had been fired. Kennedy later sued the school for violating his First Amendment rights.

These justices, now joined by Amy Coney Barrett, have jacked up their rhetoric about government “discrimination” against religious speech and exercise in the intervening years. They have demanded special rights for religious groups and individuals while insisting that the separation of church and state is actually unconstitutional. Under this view, the government is not barred from endorsing or coercing religion in schools; it is required to do so.

Kennedy takes this principle to its logical extreme. The court appears likely to hold that the First Amendment does not prohibit school officials from praying publicly on the job—but rather protects their ability to intermingle church and state, whatever the impact on students and their parents.

Lost in this establishment clause rebrand are the voices of students who do not share officials’ beliefs but feel pressured to endorse them anyway. The Supreme Court was keenly concerned about such children in Lee and Santa Fe, identifying an overwhelming government interest in protecting children from religious coercion with an eye toward the type of state-sponsored religious indoctrination that animated the Framers. Now, the rights of those students have been scrubbed from the constitutional calculus.

But even if SCOTUS no longer cares about them, they still exist. As Kennedy martyred himself in the media, parents revealed to the school that their children were extremely uncomfortable with his prayer circles. At least one member of the football team felt obligated to join Kennedy’s prayers because he feared that otherwise, “he wouldn’t get to play as much.” Other members participated only because “they did not wish to separate themselves from the team.”

The prayer circle, in short, created favored insiders (Christian believers) and alienated outsiders (everybody else). This dynamic is not only offensive to religious freedom; it also has a uniquely pernicious impact on children. As a group of psychology and neuroscience scholars explained to the court, coaches have a powerful effect on the behavior of the student athletes in their charge, athletes who crave their approval and support. Adolescents also have “heightened neurobiological sensitivity” to rewards in the presence of their peers, which makes them especially “susceptible to social conformity.” Kennedy did not have to explicitly force his students to join him in prayer; the intense social pressures were enough to coerce them into joining.

It is astonishing to contemplate that at the precise moment in which American parents are demanding access to the books their children are reading and video surveillance of public school educators, the rights of those parents who don’t believe that public school should privilege certain majoritarian religious viewpoints are poised to be eradicated at the Supreme Court. But in a sense, it’s not surprising at all. As those who want to banish Judge Hatchett’s entire historical and legal legacy based on a single opinion would tell you, reinjecting express religious indoctrination into public schools has nothing to do with the Constitution. It has everything to do with political power, and the way in which courts and Congress can wield it to refashion coerced Christian conformity into religious liberty.
"They have demanded special rights for religious groups and individuals while insisting that the separation of church and state is actually unconstitutional. Under this view, the government is not barred from endorsing or coercing religion in schools; it is required to do so."

The "they" here aren't some extremist congressional candidates or political pundits. The "they" here are the five conservative Associate Justices on the United States Supreme Court. This isn't a textualist or originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution. This is precisely the sort of judicial activism that Republicans railed against during the Senate Judicial Committee hearings for the confirmation of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court.

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution holds that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or abridging free exercise thereof." It was important enough that it appears wholly before even the Free Speech Clause. Of course, the constraint has been extended to all state actors, including public institutions (like schools) through incorporation and the Fourteenth Amendment.

Freedom of religion necessarily means freedom from religion.

Also poignant is the final paragraph:

"It is astonishing to contemplate that at the precise moment in which American parents are demanding access to the books their children are reading and video surveillance of public school educators, the rights of those parents who don’t believe that public school should privilege certain majoritarian religious viewpoints are poised to be eradicated at the Supreme Court. But in a sense, it’s not surprising at all. As those who want to banish Judge Hatchett’s entire historical and legal legacy based on a single opinion would tell you, reinjecting express religious indoctrination into public schools has nothing to do with the Constitution. It has everything to do with political power, and the way in which courts and Congress can wield it to refashion coerced Christian conformity into religious liberty."
 
There's always a C&H for these kinds of unforeseen consequences.

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Bill Maher, probably: "What the **** does Calvin know about struggles? HE'S SIX YEARS OLD!!! I know about struggles. He doesn't know about struggles."
 
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I think for some people, the soapbox should be hidden and they should never be allowed to step on it. Alternatively, create a trap door below it so if they say something monumentally moronic, they go into a pit/crocodile pool.
 
I think for some people, the soapbox should be hidden and they should never be allowed to step on it. Alternatively, create a trap door below it so if they say something monumentally moronic, they go into a pit/crocodile pool.
This is one of the most moronicly un-American things I have ever seen posted here.
 
I think for some people, the soapbox should be hidden and they should never be allowed to step on it. Alternatively, create a trap door below it so if they say something monumentally moronic, they go into a pit/crocodile pool.

I disagree: social media is both the trap door and the switch which opens it.

This is one of the most moronicly un-American things I have ever seen posted here.

...was it a button, or lever?
 
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Fellas, is it gay for men to sleep with women?
Little surprise that the party promoted by Ben "I cannot arouse my wife" Shapiro thinks that a woman orgasming in a straight relationship are gay on behalf of both participants.

Of course the logical extension of this is that if you're actually gay, it's straight to be a top. Then again, that actually makes sense, because it allows them to rape boys so long as it's the right positions.

It's almost like they... hate women. And "proper" gays (not the "raping boys" type gays though, which has a curious parallel to fundamentalists of other, more bombable, religions elsewhere in the world), of course.

Like this chap, who says that homosexuals can't procreate and that's unconstitutional because it's against the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" clause... of the Declaration of Independence. Which is of course a different document, and doesn't say anything about homosexuality or procreation, and the Constitution is a list of restrictions on government not on individuals.




How's that for "unAmerican"?
 
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After all it's usually the wife that decides when "it" happens. :lol:
Counterpoint:
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Alpha is when rape.


(And not knowing how apostrophes work.)
This is one of the most moronicly un-American things I have ever seen posted here.
"THE SOAPBOX CAN EITHER BE A PLATFORM OR A PUBLISHER BUT IT CAN'T BE BOTH!!!"

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Republican is when bitchfit.

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School board candidate.

Jesus ****ing Christ. These mother****ers are gone.
 
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spam bots
Only humans have the right to free speech, and they definitely do not have the right to harass others. In the creation of a spam bot the human isn't spreading a message, the bot is spreading a message, and the bot was programmed to do it indiscriminately and unsolicited which is painfully close to harassment. Therefore, the human is directly responsible for choosing the harassment and not responsible at all for choosing any sort of "speech" that might come out of it.
 
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Only humans have the right to free speech, and they definitely do not have the right to harass others. In the creation of a spam bot the human isn't spreading a message, the bot is spreading a message, and the bot was programmed to do it indiscriminately and unsolicited which is painfully close to harassment. Therefore, the human is directly responsible for choosing the harassment and not responsible at all for choosing any sort of "speech" that might come out of it.
It's a human creating speech via a computer (much like you just did). Kinda like pressing control+v. And what you describe is nowhere near any kind of threshold needed to put spam outside of free speech protections. At least not based on any case law I'm aware of.
 
Only humans have the right to free speech, and they definitely do not have the right to harass others. In the creation of a spam bot the human isn't spreading a message, the bot is spreading a message, and the bot was programmed to do it indiscriminately and unsolicited which is painfully close to harassment. Therefore, the human is directly responsible for choosing the harassment and not responsible at all for choosing any sort of "speech" that might come out of it.
As stated above, speech doesn't become unprotected simply because it's automated. Also, nuisance is not harassment. Harassment is unwanted behavior that threatens or offends the victim, resulting in a hostile environment.
 
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It's a human creating speech via a computer (much like you just did). Kinda like pressing control+v. And what you describe is nowhere near any kind of threshold needed to put spam outside of free speech protections. At least not based on any case law I'm aware of.
Studying case law isn't my forte but I do know when I'm being annoyed and when unsolicited communication complicates my life, and I can also tell when a human is doing it or not. No human, no free speech. Unsolicited problems, harassment.

I repeat: No human, no free speech. Last I checked, lines of code can't knock on my door and espouse Jesus.
 
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Studying case law isn't my forte but I do know when I'm being annoyed and when unsolicited communication complicates my life, and I can also tell when a human is doing it or not. No human, no free speech. Unsolicited problems, harassment.
What you consider harassment isn't against the law. It's not against the law to annoy you with unsolicited communication - otherwise 90% of the men at bars would be arrested every night. Using a computer to send an automated message is not illegal - even when it annoys you.
 
implementing automation.
Implementing harassment. One person's "rights" don't supercede another's so even if it could be argued that free speech was enjoyed somewhere along that line, at the point it causes problems for others that no longer matters.
 
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Implementing harassment. One person's "rights" don't supercede another's so even if it could be argued that free speech was enjoyed somewhere along that line, at the point it causes problems for others that no longer matters.
"Causing problems" as a violation of rights. Yeah, no. And again, nuisance is not harassment.

Edit: Spam, as commercial speech, may be the beneficiary of less robust constitutional protection, but a blanket prohibition is highly likely to be deemed unconstitutional should such a law be instituted and challenged.
 
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Implementing harassment. One person's "rights" don't supercede another's so even if it could be argued that free speech was enjoyed somewhere along that line, at the point it causes problems for others that no longer matters.
It's true that one person's rights don't supercede another's. But that's not a problem in this case because you don't have a right not to be sent a message.
 
Little surprise that the party promoted by Ben "I cannot arouse my wife" Shapiro thinks that a woman orgasming in a straight relationship are gay on behalf of both participants.

Of course the logical extension of this is that if you're actually gay, it's straight to be a top. Then again, that actually makes sense, because it allows them to rape boys so long as it's the right positions.

It's almost like they... hate women. And "proper" gays (not the "raping boys" type gays though, which has a curious parallel to fundamentalists of other, more bombable, religions elsewhere in the world), of course.

Like this chap, who says that homosexuals can't procreate and that's unconstitutional because it's against the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" clause... of the Declaration of Independence. Which is of course a different document, and doesn't say anything about homosexuality or procreation, and the Constitution is a list of restrictions on government not on individuals.




How's that for "unAmerican"?

Constitution or did he mean his Bible?

Although, they get both wrong, so I suppose it doesn't matter.
 
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