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Joey D
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DeSantis completely and utterly dropped the ball with COVID and clearly doesn't care about the health and wellbeing of kids in the state. But that pales in comparison to how he much he loves fascism. He vetoed the congressional districts so he could draw his own, and he created an election police force. He also treaded dangerously close to violating the First Amendment with how he approached Disney, is fighting the completely asinine culture war, doesn't understand what critical race theory even is yet makes a huge deal about it, and clearly doesn't care for LGBT people very much.
In terms of bigoted stuff? Well, he's certainly a fan of Sebastian Gorka, who's part of the Order of Vitéz, which has Nazi ties.
DeSantis isn't even qualified to be governor, let alone the president. He would make a wonderful anchor on OAN though.
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This is generous. Admittedly there is some plausible deniability, though how much is up for debate.
The First Amendment was absolutely violated by Executive Order 21-81 ("Prohibiting Covid-19 Vaccine Passports") by prohibiting inquiry about vaccination status by private industry and further denied private property rights by prohibiting private industry from denying services based on inquiry non-compliance or unvaccinated status.
Florida's HB 1 ("Combating Public Disorder") (2020-2021) violated the Free Assembly Clause of the First Amendment by holding criminally liable those who haven't been found to have engaged in unlawful conduct simply due to proximity to a "riot" (a term whose definition stated within the law was also found to be overbroad).
Ah but DeSantis recognizes the constraint against state action that the First Amendment represents and has twice attempted an end around by harnessing the novel civil cause of action scheme in an effort to suppress speech with the "Stop WOKE Act" which empowers the aggrieved to file a civil suit against those engaging in protected expression in the form of education about or advocacy for that which is deemed to be "Critical Race Theory"--though this is deliberately not clearly defined so as to not limit application--not only in higher education but also private industry, and with "Parental Rights in Education" (termed "Don't Say Gay" by critics) which empowers the aggrieved to sue school districts in which educators who discuss gender and sexual orientation are employed, favoring the wants and wills of some over the legitimate expressive rights of others, and again that which is subject hasn't been clearly defined so as to not limit application.
But this is all likely to be moot because I'd wager @Yard_Sale doesn't give a dandy **** about the rights of others.
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I’ll get back to you fellas in a bit. Just got back from 3 days at work. Gonna play some GT7 before I catch the evening glass off in OB.
But in short, CRT waters have been too muddied between what Republicans say it is, compared to what Liberals say it isn’t. I don’t think any entity has a right to request vaccination status as I don’t think any entity has a right to request sexual orientation or HIV status. Regarding Covid, I have always believed it’s appropriate for the individual to protect themselves as they see necessary. Not for Gov’t to dictate.
As for the “don’t say gay” act. I’m not deeply read into the intricacies, but no… I don’t think extreme complicated subjects need to be discussed with 4-9 year olds. There’s waaay more important stuff to get onboard at that age other than sexual-anything. But then again, sexual orientation conversation in schools is another matter where the waters have been extremely muddied over the years.
And @TexRex, I believe in rights for everyone. But that theory in itself is convoluted by nature. Turns out that life is kinda complicated.
But in short, CRT waters have been too muddied between what Republicans say it is, compared to what Liberals say it isn’t. I don’t think any entity has a right to request vaccination status as I don’t think any entity has a right to request sexual orientation or HIV status. Regarding Covid, I have always believed it’s appropriate for the individual to protect themselves as they see necessary. Not for Gov’t to dictate.
As for the “don’t say gay” act. I’m not deeply read into the intricacies, but no… I don’t think extreme complicated subjects need to be discussed with 4-9 year olds. There’s waaay more important stuff to get onboard at that age other than sexual-anything. But then again, sexual orientation conversation in schools is another matter where the waters have been extremely muddied over the years.
And @TexRex, I believe in rights for everyone. But that theory in itself is convoluted by nature. Turns out that life is kinda complicated.
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To add to what others have outlined, you can also add in a track record of deeply racist comments.
You will struggle to find a Republican who can accurately define it, Florida has already screwed the pooch on this one with its maths book scare.
Sexual orientation and HIV aren't airborne, so it's not a like-for-like comparison, but then again your bad-takes on that subject are well documented.
Good job what has been taught in the past has all been age-appropriate, but the GOP has made a habit of lying about that.
By the GOP, almost without exception to persecute anyone who isn't heteronormative.
How is it complicated, who in that regard should have fewer rights, and why?
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This has nothing to do with the fact that it's protected expression resulting in no legitimate harm. Because it's protected expression and results in no legitimate harm, there is no reasonable right to adjudication.
Anybody asked has the right to not respond. But the rendering of services absolutely may be conditioned on a response. You know...property rights.
Read the words I have written. I'm not talking about any requirement of the government. I'm talking about private actors.
"Extreme complicated subjects" is very vague and I suspect that's deliberate.
The law as written is also deliberately vague. That's the point. Because it isn't clearly defined, most anything is subject to civil action. Included in "most anything" is a tremendous amount of protected expression, and the rights of individuals are ceded to the wants and wills (I say "wants and wills" because there is no right to not be exposed to ideas with which one disagrees) of others.
This is pure obfuscation.
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Trump allies think there's a traitor in Mar-a-Lago who informed on him to the FBI: Axios
Trump's circle is reportedly worried that an informer may have tipped off the FBI, leading to Monday night's unprecedented raid.
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You guys that are talking about "lock her up", keep in mind Trump became president, and she was never raided. Even though Comey said she had broken the law.
Here in the United States, those in power don't send the cops after political opponents.
They had better have something really good on him.
Here in the United States, those in power don't send the cops after political opponents.
They had better have something really good on him.
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Did he?
Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI
Director Comey's statement to the press on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.
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"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."
"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts."
"As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case."
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And if they have something really good on him, it must've been planted, right?
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I didn't say you said it... yet.
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No, he didn't
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
It was enough to get the Trump-appointed head of the FBI to sign off on it and a Judge to sign the warrant, but that's all been clearly stated repeatedly in this thread already, and ignored by you.
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I fully support this method of dealing with those who would laugh at the deaths of children in school shootings, Beto O'Rourke responds to hecklers who did just that.
Language warning on the video
MTG also goes full Karen, when the FBI seized Scott Perry's personal phone, seems the MAGA crowd's actions are finally finding consequences.
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MTG also goes full Karen, when the FBI seized Scott Perry's personal phone, seems the MAGA crowd's actions are finally finding consequences.
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Joey D
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Private entities have every right to ask you whatever questions they want in order for you to go onto their property. However, you have every right not to answer them, but if you don't and go onto the property anyway, then you're trespassing.
And while, yes, ideally, you'd protect yourself with COVID, the problem comes into play that you don't have the right to harm someone else, which is to say you don't have the right to get them sick. There's a decent part of the population who are unable to be vaccinated or who have weakened immune systems where the vaccine isn't as effective. I'm not for the government dictating things, but DeSantis has purposely obstructed private entities from actually being able to provide protection for people. With vaccines for kids 6 months - 4 years old, they're incredibly difficult to find in Florida due to the state just saying they weren't going to get them. While that's fine and dandy for the government not to provide them, it is a problem when they control the actual product distribution. Healthcare systems can attempt to order the vaccine directly from the supplier, but that's not how things are currently set up so they have a pretty difficult time getting them.
I have a friend who lives outside Jacksonville who has two small girls. She had to drive to Georgia to get her kids vaccinated because there just weren't any places around her that were administering the vaccine for kids. She wanted to get her kids protected, but due to the government getting in the way, she couldn't. Now imagine that at a federal level, it would be a disaster.
DeSantis has also claimed he "followed the science," but he's an absolute imbecile when it comes to science. He's never believed in masks and he doesn't think vaccines matter for kids. It's fine that a politician is stupid about science, it becomes a problem when they use that stupidity to make policy decisions that should be science-based.
It doesn't need to be a part of a lesson plan, but a teacher can get fired for simply answering the question, "why does Johnny have two dads?" I don't think teachers should be going in-depth into sexual relationships and identity at a young age either, and for the most part, they don't. But kids are curious and will ask a million and one questions. Teachers should be empowered to be able to answer those questions and foster an environment where kids can be curious.
So if a kid asks "why does Johnny have two dads?", a teacher should be able to explain to them that some people have a mom and a dad, some have two moms, some have two dads, and some have just one mom or one dad. It's something that's common enough in society that kids shouldn't be sheltered from it because it doesn't require sheltering.
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If i had a $ for every time i've read a headline about some Republican law maker taking credit for something they voted against, i'd be well on my way to being able to afford my upcoming winter energy bills. Lying scumbags.
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'Sheriff Joe' Arpaio Simply Cannot Stop Losing Elections
The former sheriff Trump pardoned despite an extensive record of abuse hasn’t ruled out challenging the results of the mayoral race he lost Wednesday
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