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So the standard for the republicans for taking some sort of action against a house member is that they must literally be a criminal. That's what "Well, Is There a Charge Against Him?" means - because as McCarthy goes on to say people in the US are innocent until proven guilty. So the standard for serving as a United States Congressional Representative in the GOP is literally are you a criminal. And even then, maybe it's ok.

At what point do we have standards for our representatives that go beyond the point where you need to be actually removed from society?
Yeah but didn't Santos admit that he lied about his qualifications? Just because there isn't a specific charge yet doesn't mean that it was right which sounds like what McCarthy is trying to say.
 
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BBC Washington correspondent
Apart from the obvious political embarrassment to the president and the inevitable accusations of hypocrisy, the discovery of classified documents raises some serious questions for the White House.

First, and most important, how secret and how sensitive is the information that failed to find its way (as it legally must) to the National Archives?

What are the implications for national security - and what remedies might have to be put in place - given these documents seem to have been hanging around for several years from the time Joe Biden was a private citizen during the Trump administration?

Who knows who may have had eyes on them in that time.

Second, given the first batch turned up in early November, why did it take two months for the White House to acknowledge the fact?

It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the midterm elections played a part in what happened, coming, as they did, a week after the discovery.

Third, will the administration now have to appoint a special counsel to look into the matter as it has in Donald Trump’s case?

Many will resist that, arguing the two cases are very different given the former president’s resistance and accusations of obstruction, but it will be hard to make that case convincingly and avoid accusations of double standards.
 
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There was some discussion about this starting here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/america-the-official-thread.54029/page-1193#post-13923148

A special council for this? Seems like Biden himself needs to be further implicated to take that step.
 
Except there is a charge against him in Brazil for check fraud and failure to appear in court.

Wow, think of the savings by sending him along with Bolsonaro back at the same time...
 
There was some discussion about this starting here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/america-the-official-thread.54029/page-1193#post-13923148

A special council for this? Seems like Biden himself needs to be further implicated to take that step.
Clearly, there's a lot about this that is not yet known. However, if there were documents in his home garage, that could be potentially more serious than his former office, where the documents may not have been even left by him (could have been staff members for example?).

It's hard to see who else would logically have the access or reason to leave documents in his garage? Of course, we also presumably don't know how any documents were stored when found - a secure safe would be very different to a cardboard archive box!

As an auditor/accountant, if my employer found client files left in a box in my garage, I would be 99% expecting to be subject to instant dismissal.

Which is why I NEVER have in nearly 30 years of working.

However this pans out though, is potentially going to be very damaging politically unless there's a good explanation.
 
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Clearly, there's a lot about this that is not yet known. However, if there were documents in his home garage, that could be potentially more serious than his former office, where the documents may not have been even left by him (could have been staff members for example?).

It's hard to see who else would logically have the access or reason to leave documents in his garage? Of course, we also presumably don't know how any documents were stored when found - a secure safe would be very different to a cardboard archive box!

As an auditor/accountant, if my employer found client files left in a box in my garage, I would be 99% expecting to be subject to instant dismissal.

Which is why I NEVER have in nearly 30 years of working.

However this pans out though, is potentially going to be very damaging politically unless there's a good explanation.
Yea, the garage is more problematic. It looks, based on one of those articles, that special council has been appointed and that seems to make sense given the garage thing.
 
"I'm senile! I can't remember when I put them there!"
Biden isn't senile. I'm so sick of people that actually make that argument. Firstly, "senile" is an outdated and now pejorative term for a person with Alzheimer's, so I wouldn't use the term regardless.

Most people (including you) have claimed that Biden is in mental decline due to occasional gaffes and memory lapses. This, coupled with Biden's advanced age, does not indicate Alzheimer's. Almost 100% of the time, Biden gets through all speeches and statements without any gaffes, forgetfulness, or even stuttering. I've found that those who claim Biden is "senile" base their opinion mostly off cherry-picked viral moments and gaffe compilations rather than actually watching the man speak. Biden's response to every time he's been confronted about his supposed poor mental acuity is "watch me". He's exactly correct; if you actually watched him, you would see that he's perfectly capable of performing his presidential duties and can think on his feet. Those who claim he is in decline do so because they aren't watching him, besides only when he's at his worst. And let's be honest here: a large chunk of his "gaffes" and "memory lapses" are an intuitive defensive mechanism to avoid a stutter. And for the ones that aren't, who cares? Anyone with this job is perpetually under high stress, constantly delivering all sorts of addresses, so the likelihood for occasional gaffes is significantly higher than the average person. All presidents (at least the ones in recent history) have made gaffes and memory lapses. It's just that Biden is being accused of having Alzheimer's when he does so because his old age makes that argument all the more convenient, which isn't very fair.

Besides, a president in mental decline would be a major threat to national security and thus, would not even be allowed. Suppose Biden genuinely did succumb to Alzheimer's and gradually became less able to remember information, deliver speeches, and perform other duties. How would both his own staff and Congress permit this? Such a thing could easily cause the president to make rash decisions and/or divulge information that he shouldn't. Furthermore, Alzheimer's is far more than just memory loss: if Biden had it, he'd also be displaying delusions/psychiatric symptoms, random mood swings, diminished physical abilities, among other symptoms, all of which Biden does not display.

Anyway, it's more likely that Biden mishandled the classified documents because he was irresponsible, rather than him not being capable of remembering where they are. And if he did genuinely forget- which is no excuse of course- it doesn't signify mental decline.
 
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I thought part of the story was that unlike Trump, Biden’s team/lawyers returned them and immediately contacted the archives that they had been missing.

Or are these new documents found?
 
I thought part of the story was that unlike Trump, Biden’s team/lawyers returned them and immediately contacted the archives that they had been missing.

Or are these new documents found?
Based on what I've seen, these are new documents found and not the ones found in the thinktank office.
 
Biden isn't senile. I'm so sick of people that actually make that argument. Firstly, "senile" is an outdated and now pejorative term for a person with Alzheimer's, so I wouldn't use the term regardless.

Most people (including you) have claimed that Biden is in mental decline due to occasional gaffes and memory lapses. This, coupled with Biden's advanced age, does not indicate Alzheimer's. Almost 100% of the time, Biden gets through all speeches and statements without any gaffes, forgetfulness, or even stuttering. I've found that those who claim Biden is "senile" base their opinion mostly off cherry-picked viral moments and gaffe compilations rather than actually watching the man speak. Biden's response to every time he's been confronted about his supposed poor mental acuity is "watch me". He's exactly correct; if you actually watched him, you would see that he's perfectly capable of performing his presidential duties and can think on his feet. Those who claim he is in decline do so becomes they aren't watching him, besides only when he's at his worst. And let's be honest here: a large chunk of his "gaffes" and "memory lapses" are an intuitive defensive mechanism to avoid a stutter. And for the ones that aren't, who cares? Anyone with this job is perpetually under high stress, constantly delivering all sorts of addresses, so the likelihood for occasional gaffes is significantly higher than the average person. All presidents (at least the ones in recent history) have made gaffes and memory lapses. It's just that Biden is being accused of having Alzheimer's when he does so because his old age makes that argument all the more convenient, which isn't very fair.

Besides, a president in mental decline would be a major threat to national security and thus, would not even be allowed. Suppose Biden genuinely did succumb to Alzheimer's and gradually became less able to remember information, deliver speeches, and perform other duties. How would both his own staff and Congress permit this? Such a thing could easily cause the president to make rash decisions and/or divulge information that he shouldn't. Furthermore, Alzheimer's is far more than just memory loss: if Biden had it, he'd also be displaying delusions/psychiatric symptoms, random mood swings, diminished physical abilities, among other symptoms, all of which Biden does not display.

Anyway, it's more likely that Biden mishandled the classified documents because he was irresponsible, rather than him not being capable of remembering where they are. And if he did genuinely forget- which is no excuse of course- it doesn't signify mental decline.
The man stands for what is wrong with US politics, at least on the Democrats' side. A bunch of old people, ****ing over young people. He has been in Washington forever, and he has seen both parties going down their respective drains. But now that he is President things will change. Yeah.

A man his age shouldn't be having a high stress job. You need people in their mental prime.

 
I thought part of the story was that unlike Trump, Biden’s team/lawyers returned them and immediately contacted the archives that they had been missing.

Or are these new documents found?
That was the initial find in November, when his lawyers were clearing out a storage cupboard at the office, when they were about to leave it.

On discovery, a search was carried out in all premises where other documents might be (according to the White House), which then found a number of further documents in December in his garage (in a storage space next to his classic Chevy apparently) and one single page document was found in an adjacent room.

The comparison article below was written before the location of the 2nd find was known.


Supposedly the search by the lawyers concluded yesterday which probably explains the timing of everything being made public.

Or course, here at GTPlanet, what we really need to know is if there is any truth to the rumour that Biden's Chevy has been scanned for the next Forza Motorsport ;)
 
I thought part of the story was that unlike Trump, Biden’s team/lawyers returned them and immediately contacted the archives that they had been missing.

Or are these new documents found?
As @sirjim73 mentioned above, there were documents found subsequently in his garage and one sheet in another room. As best I can tell, all of these have been handed over as soon as they've been discovered. In fact, it's Biden's attorneys who are doing the searching and reporting. Essentially all of this story is coming from Biden's "camp". The National Archives (as far as I can tell) has not asked for anything or reported anything missing.

I have no idea what leeway a vice president has for storing classified documents in their garage. The problem was that these documents were not tracked and handed over once Biden left office. Was the Biden's personal responsibility and fault? I'm still not sure, even in light of the garage thing.
 
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Certainly not a good look for team Biden right now, and I'm guessing the HOR will start impeachment proceedings just to make sure that process is completely meaningless from now on.
 
With the appointment of another special investigator, it bears noting that Durham (appointed by Bill Barr under Trump to investigate the origins of "Crossfire Hurricane"--itself an investigation into involvement of Russia with the Trump 2016 presidential campaign) is now 44 months in. Durham had the wind sucked out of his sails with the acquittal of Igor Danchenko, the last individual indicted as part of the investigation, in October of last year, but the investigation still hasn't been called.

Now Republicans complained constantly about Mueller, but the Durham probe nearly doubles its 23-month duration.

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Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
 
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Why were they in a garage? Top secret docs about 100 mpg carburetors, presumably.
 
lol. lmao.

This bitch.

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How stunted must one be to support--indeed to have ever supported--this bitch? Mental illness.
 
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Does no one teach the follow up question in Journalism anymore? As soon as McCarthy said "a lot of" his colleagues have lied, the very next questions should have been "Which colleagues of yours have lied to get elected? What lies did they specifically tell? Have you lied to get elected? What lies have you told?"
I think they’ve learnt that the current crop of politicians just throw a hissy fit and storm out like they’re Tangerine Tantrum Leader.

It’s better they just hold back the smirks so they don’t cotton on to what they said and hope they keep digging themselves deeper.
 
Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
The bill's primary sponsor, State Senator Jim Anderson: "if you don’t like our petroleum cars, well, we don’t like your electric cars."

That's the sort of pettiness I look for in a leader. Very Trumpian.
 
The bill's primary sponsor, State Senator Jim Anderson: "if you don’t like our petroleum cars, well, we don’t like your electric cars."

That's the sort of pettiness I look for in a leader. Very Trumpian.
Sorry, HIS petroleum cars? Wyoming is the home to an estimated ZERO car companies. In fact, the only car company there is a startup EV company (Falcon Motors). The huge population of Wyoming which has less people than Bergen County, NJ (and Washington DC) are extremely Trumpian and the threat is laughably hollow.
 
Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
I foresee a very buoyant used ICE market in 20 years time in Wyoming once no manufacture is making fossil fueled cars and trucks anymore. Does Senator Jim Anderson have a stake in a string of local used car dealerships?
 
I foresee a very buoyant used ICE market in 20 years time in Wyoming once no manufacture is making fossil fueled cars and trucks anymore. Does Senator Jim Anderson have a stake in a string of local used car dealerships?
He might not be around in 20 years time, so this is more along the lines of only the old people matter, bleep them kids.
 
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