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It's a pretty empty thing anyway since it's just pandering. Owning an EV in Wyoming makes little sense considering how far away things are.
 
It's a pretty empty thing anyway since it's just pandering.
That the bitches pushing the bill are keen to send a copy to California's governor illustrates both the measure's performativity and the underlying dysfunction. It's insane.
Owning an EV in Wyoming makes little sense considering how far away things are.
I imagine there are plenty who live in Cheyenne and who are unlikely to travel the rest of the state for whom an EV could make a great deal of sense. Cheyenne's an actual real city, plus it's crazy close to Denver.

This isn't about whether or not EVs make sense for the individual. If it was, it's a total non-starter as those for whom an EV don't make sense aren't likely to purchase one as a legitimate means of transportation.
 
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Maybe they could go back to covered horsedrawn wagons and buggy whips.

Today's Grand Ole Party: "Whatever You Want, We Don't!"
 
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Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
If I were a GOP strategist and I wanted to come up with a way to scare away as many younger and/or urban voters as possible and firmly locate the GOP in coocoo land while simultaneously not actually accomplishing anything, this would be right up there.
 
Maybe Wyoming might restart its own automobile industry and the Walker truck could make a comeback. Or just plain walking.

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It'll be powered by gas stoves.
 
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I imagine there are plenty who live in Cheyenne and who are unlikely to travel the rest of the state for whom an EV could make a great deal of sense. Cheyenne's an actual real city, plus it's crazy close to Denver.

Maybe it's crazy close as any two sizable Mountain Time Zone cities could be, but still 2 hours apart.

I'm sure the automotive industry is going to cater to the 16 people who live in Wyoming and make models exclusively for the state.

Wyoming has a sizable coal and oil industry, so there ought to be a few steam locomotives ready for road conversion.
 
Maybe it's crazy close as any two sizable Mountain Time Zone cities could be, but still 2 hours apart.
Okay crazy close as in probably any contemporary EV could do there and back on a single charge, or with a quick charge before the return.
 
They have plenty of space in the Cowboy State to harness natural resources if they need power for EVs in the future.

As I understand it Wyoming is building a big wind farm but Repubs are trying to tax it out of existence, presumably to help their oil daddies preserve their grip on their constituents.
 
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Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
This stupidity genuinely makes me mad. I think there are valid critiques when it comes to completely phasing out gas cars, but these people are not interested in that at all. They just want to annoy people and make it seem like absolutely no outside influence can reach them because they have everything figured out. In the process they harm any rational stance that is even remotely similar to theirs.

And then on top of it they're hypocrites for trying to remove a perfectly valid type of vehicle from the market while supposedly being champions of freedom.
 
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This stupidity genuinely makes me mad. I think there are valid critiques when it comes to completely phasing out gas cars, but these people are not interested in that at all. They just want to annoy people and make it seem like absolutely no outside influence can reach them because they have everything figured out. In the process they harm any rational stance that is even remotely similar to theirs.

And then on top of it they're hypocrites for trying to remove a perfectly valid type of vehicle from the market while supposedly being champions of freedom.
Death throes vibes.
 
Speaking of Republicans irrational hatred of EVs...


"Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s decision to halt plans for a $3.5 billion Ford Motor Co. battery plant over his concerns about Chinese influence cost one of the poorest areas of Virginia a reported 2,500 jobs with potential for more."
 
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Pittsylvania County is some real boondock Republican area on the southern border of Virginia. I'm not even sure there are 2,500 people in Danville to fill those jobs and they sure as hell won't be bringing engineers and whatnot to the area. It's an hour drive from Greensboro. What a weird place for a huge factory.

Ah well, all that Republican governor did is prevent his constituents from getting jobs. Republicans in self-induced poverty is not my problem. They should try working harder.
 
At some point, I understand why we don't want to give China too many manufacturing factories here. We buy enough stuff from them and giving an economy like theirs too much leeway in our business isn't a great idea. They support all sorts of highly questionable regimes and their human rights make the US look like Fantasyland by comparison. They buy up tons of infrastructure in third-world nations knowing they'll default on those loans to strike more favorable deals. If we're going to stuck with the environmental problems a factory presents, at least we should have some control of that future.

We can go on about how folks can retrain themselves for better lives, but for 95% of the rural or blue-collar population, that's asking way too much from a society that typically moves at a more incremental and repetitive pace, and rewards a different attitude where firm expectations are expected to be kept. Or that politicians, policy makers, think tanks, corporations, and banks are in a constant orgy which is damned well shamelessly public...but at least that loop is our choice and the responsibility beholden to folks with a stake and a semblance of pride in the outcome.

So...I agree with shutting that door. But we have to gird up and provide that alternative instead of screwing around with this trade gap to make nice with a nation that doesn't need us as much as we may think.
 
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At some point, I understand why we don't want to give China too many manufacturing factories here. We buy enough stuff from them and giving an economy like theirs too much leeway in our business isn't a great idea. They support all sorts of highly questionable regimes and their human rights make the US look like Fantasyland by comparison. They buy up tons of infrastructure in third-world nations knowing they'll default on those loans to strike more favorable deals. If we're going to stuck with the environmental problems a factory presents, at least we should have some control of that future.

We can go on about how folks can retrain themselves for better lives, but for 95% of the rural or blue-collar population, that's asking way too much from a society that typically moves at a more incremental and repetitive pace, and rewards a different attitude where firm expectations are expected to be kept. Or that politicians, policy makers, think tanks, corporations, and banks are in a constant orgy which is damned well shamelessly public...but at least that loop is our choice and the responsibility beholden to folks with a stake and a semblance of pride in the outcome.

So...I agree with shutting that door. But we have to gird up and provide that alternative instead of screwing around with this trade gap to make nice with a nation that doesn't need us as much as we may think.
For the longest time I thought that economic cooperation between the US and China was the best way to keep tensions cool and it is definitely still a factor. Specifically, getting them to invest in our economy, on our shores, with our workers, and especially following our business rules is a pretty big deal. They basically don't have business rules in China so the more often we can get them to play by our rules the better. In that way I'm actually not a fan of shutting such doors.

The Fuyao factory here in Dayton had a tumultuous start and it became readily apparent how Chinese companies were not truly interested in cooperating with US business rules and employee expectations. They found out the hard way that we do things differently here and were forced by the public, the media, and by regulation to comply. Ultimately the factory remains to this day and is operating as Americans would expect it to.

I think the VA governor is just dumb as rocks and closed a door based on 2D thinking. You're right that China doesn't necessarily need the US - they innovate at an alarming pace due to lack of overhead and oversight. But if we allow them to participate on US soil and thus follow our rules we begin to have a say in how they operate. But of course it is Republicans' prerogative to simply escalate a situation without thinking first so this is what we get, fewer jobs for Americans, less oversight of Chinese companies, and more reason for China to say screw the US and to figure it out themselves.

If we don't convince them to play by our rules then they'll start playing by their own lack of rules and our government structure simply cannot compete with that. At that point we're just relying on our global reputation rather than any tangible advantage. China's government is hungry and aggressive so the more we intertwine their economy within our own the more their business leaders will disapprove of aggressive government action, sewing chaos in their ranks, just like what's happening with Russia now.
 
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At some point, I understand why we don't want to give China too many manufacturing factories here. We buy enough stuff from them and giving an economy like theirs too much leeway in our business isn't a great idea. They support all sorts of highly questionable regimes and their human rights make the US look like Fantasyland by comparison. They buy up tons of infrastructure in third-world nations knowing they'll default on those loans to strike more favorable deals. If we're going to stuck with the environmental problems a factory presents, at least we should have some control of that future.

We can go on about how folks can retrain themselves for better lives, but for 95% of the rural or blue-collar population, that's asking way too much from a society that typically moves at a more incremental and repetitive pace, and rewards a different attitude where firm expectations are expected to be kept. Or that politicians, policy makers, think tanks, corporations, and banks are in a constant orgy which is damned well shamelessly public...but at least that loop is our choice and the responsibility beholden to folks with a stake and a semblance of pride in the outcome.

So...I agree with shutting that door. But we have to gird up and provide that alternative instead of screwing around with this trade gap to make nice with a nation that doesn't need us as much as we may think.
Private enterprise doesn't serve dubious national interest and a state actor enacting a swift veto of private interest for political purposes is a bad thing regardless of...erm..."justification" (that's not the word I'm looking for but it'll have to do).
 
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