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I'm not really trying to reach them.

Mostly I've been having discussions recently with people who are fairly comfortable and dissatisfied with Biden - because they're used to listening to lots of criticism of the president. And so they think of this upcoming political race semi-normal. I'm trying to help comfortable people who think we've returned to business as usual realize that it is anything but.
It's terrible that our choices are going to effectively boil down to two guys who are far too old for the job where one is an outright criminal and the other is at worst a criminal and at best is shady. I feel like no matter who we get for four years, America will be worse off for it. Having to vote for Biden because he isn't Trump is not how our country should function. We did that in 2020 and it hasn't really done us any favours. If Trump is the Republican nomination, I'll likely begrudgingly vote for Biden, not because I think he's deserving of the job, but solely because he's not Trump.

It's likely too late now, but the Democrats really should've thought long and hard if Biden is the guy to beat Trump again. Ted Cruz's opinion aside, Michelle Obama really does seem like someone who should've been in the conversation for the nomination.
 
It's terrible that our choices are going to effectively boil down to two guys who are far too old for the job where one is an outright criminal and the other is at worst a criminal and at best is shady. I feel like no matter who we get for four years, America will be worse off for it. Having to vote for Biden because he isn't Trump is not how our country should function. We did that in 2020 and it hasn't really done us any favours. If Trump is the Republican nomination, I'll likely begrudgingly vote for Biden, not because I think he's deserving of the job, but solely because he's not Trump.

It's likely too late now, but the Democrats really should've thought long and hard if Biden is the guy to beat Trump again. Ted Cruz's opinion aside, Michelle Obama really does seem like someone who should've been in the conversation for the nomination.
I haven't had any huge complaints about Biden. I know that he's implemented some ridistributive things - like student loan forgiveness and whatnot. But that's just what everyone (conservatives, liberals, Trump, Biden, all of them) do at this point. In terms of his age, I honestly don't care.

He's not a great speaker? Ok fine.
What if he dies in office? Ok fine. RBG dying in office was probably a bigger deal.
What if he can't authorize nuclear weapons deployment? Ok fine. There are contingencies in place for this, and nuclear force is a big deal.

The funny thing about Biden being perceived as too old to get things done as president is that usually the people complaining that he's too old to get things done don't want him to do anything anyway. He's like the dream liberal candidate for non-liberals.

What another Biden admin looks like to me is 4 years of relative stability and calm. No big blustery responses on current events. No wars started. No major social policy upheaval. Just kinda business as usual. Sounds pretty good. Doesn't sound perfect, but it sounds good. Do we really need a presidential candidate that will go pick a fight with China? Look at what happened with our relationship with China under Trump. Absolute train wreck.

What I'd love to see is someone who would come in and fix the structural problems that enable minority rule and allow us to even come close to having a criminal wannabe dictator in office. That's what I'd love to see. But that doesn't seem to be happening. For that to happen we need democrats to control congress more convincingly than they did. And even then, slow and steady is probably the right route. A more hardline democrat might have packed the supreme court already. I dunno, maybe that needed to happen, but it's breaking things without putting in any measures to fix them for the future.
 
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I know that he's implemented some ridistributive things - like student loan forgiveness and whatnot. But that's just what everyone (conservatives, liberals, Trump, Biden, all of them) do at this point. In terms of his age, I honestly don't care.
I'm a bit lost here. Wouldn't this imply that all fiscal policy is redistributive, to a certain degree? That alone has no bearing on whether or not said policy is beneficial? A democratic administration increasing taxes on the rich is no more or less redistributive than a republican administration reducing taxes on the rich to the same amount.
 
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I'm a bit lost here. Wouldn't this imply that all fiscal policy is redistributive, to a certain degree? That alone has no bearing on whether or not said policy is beneficial? A democratic administration increasing taxes on the rich is no more or less redistributive than a republican administration reducing taxes on the rich to the same amount.
No. Reducing taxes is not redistributive, because property rights exists. If property rights didn't exist, then sure, lowering taxes redistributes money. But there is an existing distribution based on fundamental rights, and restoring that distribution is not redistributive, it's anti-redistributive.

Trump oversaw a massive redistribution policy in the form of covid bailouts and assistance though. Obama and Bush shared one over the housing crisis as well. Basically, the nation is socialist, and this should come as a surprise to no one because it has been the case for 100 years.
 
I haven't had any huge complaints about Biden. I know that he's implemented some ridistributive things - like student loan forgiveness and whatnot. But that's just what everyone (conservatives, liberals, Trump, Biden, all of them) do at this point. In terms of his age, I honestly don't care.
The student loan thing was whatever for me. I didn't agree with it and I didn't think he had the power to do it, but it wasn't something that I want to crucify Biden over.

I do criticize some of his economic policies though. The American Rescue Plan was bad and continued the same bad practices that the Trump administration did. You can't just hand out a ton of money without oversight and that's what happened. It was badly abused and a huge amount of money went unaccounted for (and is still unaccounted for). It also addressed things that didn't really need addressing, while addressing things that were critical rather poorly. I get that something needed to be done, but it just followed the same poor way of thinking Trump had which was to throw money at the problem.

The Inflation Reduction Act didn't reduce inflation either. I liked that it had a bunch of green energy initiatives, but in terms of combating inflation, it didn't do much that the average American sees.

Bidenomics or whatever it has been branded seems to be working on some level while not on others. People are working and there are jobs to be had, but I don't know anyone who isn't struggling on some level given the cost of living. It's all well and good to be making good money, but when everything is expensive, it doesn't really make a difference. If he's going to brand his economic policy, it needs to be one that the average, middle-class American feels the effects of.

I know the border isn't solely the President's responsibility, but the US's illegal migration problem is definitely a problem. Trump's solution of a wall was a waste of money and bad so it's not like I think he was doing anything productive either. We should be better protecting our border though while also fixing immigration. I know a vast majority of people coming over from Mexico are just looking for a better life, but the problem comes down to what do you do with that many people who show up without money, a place to live, or even the ability to speak the language?

I'm also not thrilled he hasn't addressed the obvious corruption in the Supreme Court either in any meaningful way. There's hard evidence of corruption and it seems to be being ignored by pretty much everyone.
What another Biden admin looks like to me is 4 years of relative stability and calm. No big blustery responses on current events. No wars started. No major social policy upheaval. Just kinda business as usual. Sounds pretty good. Doesn't sound perfect, but it sounds good. Do we really need a presidential candidate that will go pick a fight with China? Look at what happened with our relationship with China under Trump. Absolute train wreck.
I don't think four years of nothingness is what we need. There are very real threats and given that climate change is making the weather more and more extreme, we're closer to having some real issues in the US that will need to be dealt with. Hurricanes and wildfires will be more destructive and droughts will displace a ton of people as well. If the Colorado River is depleted, the West is going to have a bad time. Same thing if the Great Salt Lake dries up and unleashes a toxic dust cloud all around Intermountain West.

China does need to be dealt with too. I don't think we need to go in guns blazing, but they will attack Taiwan at some point. Biden's act with the chips was a good start regarding dealing with China, but there's so much more that needs to be done. We need to uncouple ourselves from relying on them for anything since crumbling their economy will do way more than any weapon would do.

I have no idea what will happen with Russia either. But if they do end up launching a nuclear weapon, there will be a war and we need a strong leader in place for when that happens. I don't think Biden is it and Trump will probably fly to Moscow and make out with Putin on live TV. I'm worried about that.
 
I do think Joey is right in that, while "vote blue no matter who", may be viable right now, it is unsustainable as a long-term trend. As long as the Democratic party, at least nominally, is on the side of democracy, that is who I will support, even if the candidate is question is milquetoast neoliberal with garbage political instincts. The fight being fought right now is democracy versus fascism, and I will always opt for the pro-democracy side. I just worry that although Biden has had his fair share of policy victories- very pro-union NLRB, removing troops from Afghanistan and less drone strikes, good provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act, and a commitment (though still not strong enough) to fighting climate change, that the bulk of reason for voting for Democrats becomes mostly that they are simply the opposition to fascism, rather than the merits of their own policies. The party could just take this for granted and will have less of an incentive to run bolder candidates and live up to its own policy agendas.

It's no secret that Biden is an unpopular president- this is in part to do with superficial factors like age and perceived lack of speaking ability, but also because he has shown himself, at times, to lack the decisiveness and dynamism needed for such an uncertain political climate, and since key elements of his policy agenda are still to the right of many Democratic voters. It's quite hard to deny that there are simply better Democratic options out there than Biden. But, Biden will likely bear out victorious, mostly because Trump, and the reactionary ideology he represents is even less popular. I ultimately worry that in the future, that if the Democratic party takes its position for granted, and does not attempt bolder policy action to remedy existential issues such as growing income inequality, climate change, and a lack of trust (real and perceived), in governmental institutions, enough of its electorate will grow cynical and succumb to the rhetoric and promises of the fascist party. This is especially as of late, Republicans have leaned into the "anti-establishment" arc and have co-opted pro-labor issues (despite still sticking to anti-labor policies). And given the populist climate, it will sell.
 
Joey you and I agree on a lot of things politically. We disagree on a couple of spots that raise their head here.
The student loan thing was whatever for me. I didn't agree with it and I didn't think he had the power to do it, but it wasn't something that I want to crucify Biden over.
The law pretty clearly gave him the power to do it. The supremes probably should have struck down that law instead of just saying that it was misinterpreted, because the letter of the law is pretty clear on that one "waive or modify" seems to include loan forgiveness, and loan forgiveness is something the executive does for military service.
I do criticize some of his economic policies though. The American Rescue Plan was bad and continued the same bad practices that the Trump administration did. You can't just hand out a ton of money without oversight and that's what happened. It was badly abused and a huge amount of money went unaccounted for (and is still unaccounted for). It also addressed things that didn't really need addressing, while addressing things that were critical rather poorly. I get that something needed to be done, but it just followed the same poor way of thinking Trump had which was to throw money at the problem.
This is more a broad criticism of socialism, and especially socialism in response to a crisis, rather than a criticism of Biden specifically. A convoluted process for testing who needs what was not really called for in this situation, and this ultimately is a problem with socialism that should be acknowledged openly. I think, to an extent, possibly for the first time I've seen in the US, it was actually acknowledged in light of the pandemic. And Trump and Biden's socialist responses were acknowledged as being necessarily sloppy and fast. Now is a good time to be planning for how to do that differently next time, and we're naturally not doing that. Biden isn't perfect, as I said before.
The Inflation Reduction Act didn't reduce inflation either. I liked that it had a bunch of green energy initiatives, but in terms of combating inflation, it didn't do much that the average American sees.
You don't like the green energy initiatives but you want something done on climate change (mentioned later in your post)? You kinda seem to be at odds with yourself here. I get that perhaps you wanted something different, but it is something directed to a problem you're bringing up.

The inflation reduction thing was largely performative. The treasury was responsible for the heavy lifting.
Bidenomics or whatever it has been branded seems to be working on some level while not on others. People are working and there are jobs to be had, but I don't know anyone who isn't struggling on some level given the cost of living.
I'm not. But I suppose that doesn't really have anything to do with the point you're making.
It's all well and good to be making good money, but when everything is expensive, it doesn't really make a difference. If he's going to brand his economic policy, it needs to be one that the average, middle-class American feels the effects of.
Inflation is one of the prices we're paying from the pandemic. It's not the worst price we could have paid. It was a known downside and calculated choice.
I know the border isn't solely the President's responsibility, but the US's illegal migration problem is definitely a problem. Trump's solution of a wall was a waste of money and bad so it's not like I think he was doing anything productive either. We should be better protecting our border though while also fixing immigration. I know a vast majority of people coming over from Mexico are just looking for a better life, but the problem comes down to what do you do with that many people who show up without money, a place to live, or even the ability to speak the language?
Let them work. It's what most of them want to do. This is one of the places where we might have some disagreement. My daughter is an immigrant, and I'm very much a pro-immigration open-borders kind of person.
I'm also not thrilled he hasn't addressed the obvious corruption in the Supreme Court either in any meaningful way. There's hard evidence of corruption and it seems to be being ignored by pretty much everyone.
This requires more support in congress than he has had at any point.
I don't think four years of nothingness is what we need.
I don't think it will be nothingness, especially not if the house flips. Biden is not perfect. There are things I'd like to see done that I don't think he can get done. But it's a lot better than any viable alternative I can see.
China does need to be dealt with too. I don't think we need to go in guns blazing, but they will attack Taiwan at some point. Biden's act with the chips was a good start regarding dealing with China, but there's so much more that needs to be done. We need to uncouple ourselves from relying on them for anything since crumbling their economy will do way more than any weapon would do.
Here's another disagreement. I'm very much a free trade kind of person. We need to entangle China's economy with ours so that they don't do the things you suggest. Not only do we benefit from trade with China, but they benefit. And this mutual benefit fosters peace. You and Biden are more aligned on this one than with me.
I have no idea what will happen with Russia either. But if they do end up launching a nuclear weapon, there will be a war and we need a strong leader in place for when that happens. I don't think Biden is it and Trump will probably fly to Moscow and make out with Putin on live TV. I'm worried about that.
Whatever president we have (unless it's Trump) will be relying on our military for that anyway. The "strong leader", and I hate that phrasing, you're talking about needs to be present in our military ranks.
I do think Joey is right in that, while "vote blue no matter who", may be viable right now, it is unsustainable as a long-term trend. As long as the Democratic party, at least nominally, is on the side of democracy, that is who I will support, even if the candidate is question is milquetoast neoliberal with garbage political instincts. The fight being fought right now is democracy versus fascism, and I will always opt for the pro-democracy side. I just worry that although Biden has had his fair share of policy victories- very pro-union NLRB, removing troops from Afghanistan and less drone strikes, good provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act, and a commitment (though still not strong enough) to fighting climate change, that the bulk of reason for voting for Democrats becomes mostly that they are simply the opposition to fascism, rather than the merits of their own policies. The party could just take this for granted and will have less of an incentive to run bolder candidates and live up to its own policy agendas.

It's no secret that Biden is an unpopular president- this is in part to do with superficial factors like age and perceived lack of speaking ability, but also because he has shown himself, at times, to lack the decisiveness and dynamism needed for such an uncertain political climate, and since key elements of his policy agenda are still to the right of many Democratic voters. It's quite hard to deny that there are simply better Democratic options out there than Biden. But, Biden will likely bear out victorious, mostly because Trump, and the reactionary ideology he represents is even less popular. I ultimately worry that in the future, that if the Democratic party takes its position for granted, and does not attempt bolder policy action to remedy existential issues such as growing income inequality, climate change, and a lack of trust (real and perceived), in governmental institutions, enough of its electorate will grow cynical and succumb to the rhetoric and promises of the fascist party. This is especially as of late, Republicans have leaned into the "anti-establishment" arc and have co-opted pro-labor issues (despite still sticking to anti-labor policies). And given the populist climate, it will sell.
I think that if bolder candidates that promote a stronger progressive agenda are not popular, attempting to run that route is not likely to end up in long term success. The key is to find policy that has broad support.
 
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The law pretty clearly gave him the power to do it. The supremes probably should have struck down that law instead of just saying that it was misinterpreted, because the letter of the law is pretty clear on that one "waive or modify" seems to include loan forgiveness, and loan forgiveness is something the executive does for military service.
This probably comes down to me missing some pieces along the way than anything else, so I'll admit that I could very well be wrong. I'm still not overly bothered by Biden attempting it even if I don't agree with it. Just canceling student loans without correcting the issue of student loans being predatory to begin with made no sense to me.
This is more a broad criticism of socialism, and especially socialism in response to a crisis, rather than a criticism of Biden specifically. A convoluted process for testing who needs what was not really called for in this situation, and this ultimately is a problem with socialism that should be acknowledged openly. I think, to an extent, possibly for the first time I've seen in the US, it was actually acknowledged in light of the pandemic. And Trump and Biden's socialist responses were acknowledged as being necessarily sloppy and fast. Now is a good time to be planning for how to do that differently next time, and we're naturally not doing that. Biden isn't perfect, as I said before.
My problem is that we saw just how bad Trump's response was with regard to giving out money without any kind of oversight and then just proceeded to do it again. While we were working with a short time frame, we elect people so that they can make decisions and do it quickly (they don't I know). The relief shoud've been way more targeted until proper oversight could've been established. While I wasn't against getting money (who would be), it seemed weird that I would get relief money when my family was working and not struggling. We just took the money and put into a 529 for my son since we didn't need it and figured it was better to start a college fund instead of buying whatever.

I agree, we need to be planning how to deal with this again since we've thrown away the pandemic playbook that Clinton, Bush, and Obama all contributed to and refined. While it wasn't perfect, it was at least a playbook and Trump threw it in the trash because he thought he knew better.
You don't like the green energy initiatives but you want something done on climate change (mentioned later in your post)? You kinda seem to be at odds with yourself here. I get that perhaps you wanted something different, but it is something directed to a problem you're bringing up.

The inflation reduction thing was largely performative. The treasury was responsible for the heavy lifting.
Maybe you misread what I wrote, but I liked the green energy initiatives. I don't think they did enough, but I liked that they were there, even though I don't think they did much to combat inflation.

I do think the act should've been called something different though because the average American sees "inflation reduction" in the title and then proceeds to see inflation run rampant.
Inflation is one of the prices we're paying from the pandemic. It's not the worst price we could have paid. It was a known downside and calculated choice.
The pandemic contributed to it, but I don't think it's sustaining it. Yes, people got money but a vast majority of people didn't get enough money to really change anything. My family got $4,200 or something, which would've covered one month of living expenses. The extra $300 people were getting from unemployment didn't do much to bolster people's finances either. There's something more at play with inflation, but I'm not sure what it is. Part of me says it's just corporate greed raising prices because they can and blaming inflation, but I don't know if that's true or just a conspiracy theory.

I know some people got all kinds of money for various things (some were even in Congress like MTG) but it doesn't seem like that would be enough to cause unchecked inflation.

Now, we're trying to combat inflation by raising interest rates and all that's doing is hurting the middle class. People with ample money will either be able to pay cash for something or just not be too concerned about the interest since it doesn't inflate.
Let them work. It's what most of them want to do. This is one of the places where we might have some disagreement. My daughter is an immigrant, and I'm very much a pro-immigration open-borders kind of person.
I am definitely for a more open immigration policy and I'm all for allowing migrants to work since they keep the price of things down. I've always said, without migrants, things like strawberries would be vastly more expensive.

My problem is we have thousands of migrants coming in without any kind of plan, then we're just detaining them in crowded shelters while we process them at a snail's pace. Make it so people can apply for temporary work visas easier and let them come to work. That way we can control the flow of migrants better and ensure the ones coming to the US have some sort of plan to support themselves. But right now you see scores of people lining the streets without a job or a place to even stay. While I don't think they're criminals, if you're in that situation, crime becomes more appealing since you need something to survive.

I think we need to weed out visa overstays too. We can probably start with Elon Musk who I still don't believe is in the US legally.
This requires more support in congress than he has had at any point.
Even without Congress, he needs to be addressing it. I don't think the average American even understands what implications corruption in the Supreme Court have. Even the more liberal media outlets don't talk about it. Just like Trump undermining elections, a corrupt Supreme Court is a stain on our system of government.
Here's another disagreement. I'm very much a free trade kind of person. We need to entangle China's economy with ours so that they don't do the things you suggest. Not only do we benefit from trade with China, but they benefit. And this mutual benefit fosters peace. You and Biden are more aligned on this one than with me.
I see China as an enemy who will do something sooner or later. I think we need to start decoupling our economy from them now so when the inevitable attack on Taiwan comes, we're not left high and dry. China's leader will eventually start to lose the population (it's already doing so on some level) and when that happens, I believe you'll see them attempt the invasion of Taiwan. Granted, I think Taiwan will wipe the floor with China since it's a big body of water to cross, but the ripple effects will cause a ton of issues for the US economy.

I agree with free trade, but I think China isn't a good long-term solution and I don't think we should rely on them for things important to our defense. This is why I like the chip act that Biden pushed.

I also thought our response to China flying a spy balloon over the US was weak too. I don't think China got anything meaningful out of it, but I feel like we should've done something more than shoot it out of the sky and wag our finger. And while I don't think we should've flowing B-2s over Bejing, I think at the very least it warranted sanctions. We've had a really weak response to the Chinese spy posts setup in American cities too.
Whatever president we have (unless it's Trump) will be relying on our military for that anyway. The "strong leader", and I hate that phrasing, you're talking about needs to be present in our military ranks.
When I think of a strong leader for a conflict, I don't think they need to be in the military ranks. But I do think they need to be skilled in foreign relations and utilize diplomacy along with knowing when the right time to strike is. I don't think the US has been strong enough on Russia, at least not in a capacity that we can see. When the Bank of Utah can bankroll Russian oligarch jets and people with ties to the Russian oligarchs can fly in and out of the US, I don't think we're doing the right thing.

Granted, I still have very much a Cold War way of thinking regarding Russia since I don't think they ever really changed.
 
I'm generally ok with Biden.

I think the inflation reduction act and the Fed's actions may* have done what most thought was impossible...keep the economy liquid during the worst part of the pandemic and managed a relatively soft landing on the other side. It's easy to complain about inflation but there were some massive outside forces at work and the other result could have been truly catastrophic. The US went through a tough time, but we seemed to have emerged from it in alright shape. Being totally honest, I'm not sure Trump would have handled things much differently, though likely with less overall helicopter money.

I think Biden has been relatively steady and even with Ukraine...which seems like the appropriate response. We can support Ukraine and we can whittle down one of our global adversaries without bombastic, escalatory talk and pretty minimal cost.

Interior policy has been mostly fine. Again, more of a steady even hand.

My biggest grip with Biden has been the Iran policy which is far too accommodating, IMO. Only token solidarity shown to the protestors over the past year and far too much diplomacy with the Islamic Republic. That government needs to be shut out and isolated from the world stage, which is, uncharacteristically, what the Europeans seem to have been trying to do. I'm not sure what's in it for Biden to keep talking with them, other than reviving the Obama era deal which no longer makes sense with Raisi in "charge"...if it ever did.** In the very least there is seemingly no plan to even entertain a vision of Iran without a dictatorship from the US government perspective, and that feels like a mistake considering we're substantially and directly responsible for how that country lost it's democracy in the first place.

*I don't think we're totally out of the woods yet, but things feel a little more optimistic than they did a year ago
**Ultimately, the Ayatollah is in charge, and always has been
 
Joe Biden might not be the best President but he is presidential and that makes a huge difference.

Best President: Abraham Lincoln, no question.
Second Best? It gets muddy from there with talks of Jefferson, Adams, Washington. Some people put FDR in this discussion, though not me.

But if you start working your way down past that bunch, suddenly we're talking about a lot of really flawed individuals. And names like Obama and Biden will start to come up in the conversation. Obama seems to be sitting somewhere between 10-20 and closer to 10. Biden is so far sitting closer to 20, but his first term is not over. Honestly, Clinton's name would come up really highly if not for his big issue.

Best? No. Good? So far it seems that way.

He was presented with a big challenge - the pandemic. And a forever war. And so far I think a little inflation will be forgiven.
 
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Best President: Abraham Lincoln, no question.
Second Best? It gets muddy from there with talks of Jefferson, Adams, Washington. Some people put FDR in this discussion, though not me.

But if you start working your way down past that bunch, suddenly we're talking about a lot of really flawed individuals. And names like Obama and Biden will start to come up in the conversation. Obama seems to be sitting somewhere between 10-20 and closer to 10. Biden is so far sitting closer to 20, but his first term is not over. Honestly, Clinton's name would come up really highly if not for his big issue.

Best? No. Good? So far it seems that way.

He was presented with a big challenge - the pandemic. And a forever war. And so far I think a little inflation will be forgiven.
William Henry Harrison has to be up there, only because he died before doing anything too damaging.
 
William Henry Harrison has to be up there, only because he died before doing anything too damaging.

Yea the conversation quickly starts to become... well how bad of a president were they really? Reagan would have been riding super high as he left office, but some of the events that happened later which were ultimately laid at his feet really brought him down. Carter has been the opposite. Bush Jr. has more of a carter trajectory going on.

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Actually Reagan's trajectory seems like it has been crazier than I expected.
 
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Brad Barnes appears to be quite wide of the mark so far in his case against DA Willis but I'm sure that, as he puts it, his colleagues were able to bounce a lot of ideas off him.

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@Joey D

This video talks a about the Build Back Better plan (but more about Sri Lanka and China). It highlights a bit why it happened when it did, why it can be great, and why it's important not to do badly. The video draws a big distinction between building infrastructure and maintaining infrastructure, though I think the line on that is quite a bit blurrier than it suggests. Building new infrastructure to replace crumbling infrastructure can be a form of maintenance. And part of the BBB plan was no doubt to perform overdue maintenance. I haven't looked that up, but it seems like a very safe assumption. Anyway, I think you (and others) would be interested in this video.

 
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He was presented with a big challenge - the pandemic. And a forever war. And so far I think a little inflation will be forgiven.
I think the biggest thing that Biden will be retrospectively judged for is the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The United States' global military presence has been a fixture since Teddy Roosevelt and really been a dominant column since Franklin Roosevelt. With Afghanistan, "you broke it, you bought it", so to speak, so that coming to an end after 20 years will be under intense scrutiny in the future. It will be seen as either a failure not unlike Vietnam with the US withdrawing from a place it effed around in for 20 years with its tail between its legs and all the work undone in an instant or an action that was rightfully long overdue.

The nuance of it happening under his administration thanks to a plan of the previous administration will hopefully not be lost when judging its long-term effects to either lambast or praise Biden (and Trump).
 
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I think the biggest thing that Biden will be retrospectively judged for is the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The United States' global military presence has been a fixture since Teddy Roosevelt and really been a dominant column since Franklin Roosevelt. With Afghanistan, "you broke it, you bought it", so to speak, so that coming to an end after 20 years will be under intense scrutiny in the future. It will be seen as either a failure not unlike Vietnam with the US withdrawing from a place it effed around in for 20 years with its tail between its legs and all the work undone in an instant or an action that was rightfully long overdue.

The nuance of it happening under his administration thanks to a plan of the previous administration will hopefully not be lost when judging its long-term effects to either lambast or praise Biden (and Trump).
Afghanistan is only superficially similar to Vietnam, IMO. The Geopolitical stakes are much lower as it was never a proxy war between the east and west. The collapse of the US-backed government was largely the result of an apathetic population - nobody cared enough about the Taliban taking over to do anything about it. Afghanistan is a heavily conservative country and the Taliban is a result of that, not the cause of it. I don't think the failure in Afghanistan will be nearly as significant as our failure in Vietnam which lead to substantial and lasting domestic crises & international reckoning. We had to leave at some point, and while it was messy...at least it was fast.

The Pandemic response will be a far bigger chapter in Joe Biden's wikipedia page.
 
I wonder whether he'll be judged upon his response or non response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine for which the stakes for America are lower still as far as current political opinion, at least on the right, is concerned. I'm pretty sure Trump will be a bigger and more memorable figure in history than him, not that that's a good thing in his case. I'm guessing Biden will be seen as the guy who wasn't Trump.
 
Republicans keep telling me that I'm supposed to be furious about Afghanistan and here I am still wondering how, if the country actively wanted to entirely revert back to being a dumpster fire over the course of a 3 day weekend, the US should have continued to intervene.



Was Biden supposed to just annex the place? I ask this knowing full well that none of the morons in the House shrieking about it have actually rubbed their collective two brain cells to an answer.
 
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Afghanistan is only superficially similar to Vietnam, IMO.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to compare the actual wars in Afghanistan and Vietnam, just drawing a comparison with spending so much time, effort and manpower in a place to just upping and leaving, essentially undoing all the work the US did.

Republicans keep telling me that I'm supposed to be furious about Afghanistan
Do they ever tell you it was their idea?
 
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While Bush was happy to oblige, Afghanistan was a bipartisan disaster.
Oh I get that, I meant more that the withdrawal from Afghanistan was Trump's idea and now Republicans are dishonesty indignant about it.
 
Oh I get that, I meant more that the withdrawal from Afghanistan was Trump's idea and now Republicans are dishonesty indignant about it.
Easier to blame the other guy than to admit being wrong. Politicians are like the Fonz, they can never be wro.. wro.. wro..., sorry, not correct.

Edit: Senator Dianne Feinstein has passed away this morning at the age of 90.
 
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The situation around Dianne Feinstein's health and tenure as both a senator and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, just keeps spiraling more and more out of control.

Feinstein, the 90-year old senior senator of California, has recently been scrutinized for her long absence from the Senate, blocking the Biden administration's ability to appoint new judges, as well her and her staff's insistence that she remains in the senate despite showing veritable signs of advanced Alzheimer's and post-shingles complications. A few days ago, she ceded power of attorney to her daughter over her and her late husband's estate, and legal affairs. Though the full extent of the power Feinstein's daughter, Katherine, hold over her, this seems to be a clear indication of Feinstein's condition, that she simply isn't capable of thinking on her feet and making these types of decisions anymore.

Even as Feinstein's health decline has worsened, and growing evidence surfacing to substantiate these claims, few Democrats have called for her resignation, with most staying silent on the matter, and some, like Hillary Clinton, even encouraging Feinstein to stay in her seat. At first, I thought this was mostly to do with fending off potential progressive outsider Barbara Lee or Katie Porter being appointed by Gov. Newsom if Feinstein were to resign, as well as respecting Feinstein's personal wishes, and solidifying the facade of party unity among Democrats, this is only a part of the story. If Feinstein resigns, or dies, before her term ends, a new ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee will need to be appointed. But, Republicans have vowed in unison to block any new appointees to the committee until after the 2024 election, and since the committee, in the absence of Feinstein, would have a dead even D-R split, there is nothing the Democrats can do. So, it seems that many Democrats have decided that until January 2025, when Feinstein's term ends, it would be better to have an ailing and incompetent hang on to her seat than a new appointee, regardless of whether they are more moderate or progressive, so that Democrats will still have control over the committee and appoint new judges.

Obviously, it would definitely be advantageous that the Democrats maintain control over the Judiciary Committee, so that pro democracy, pro LGBT rights, pro union, etc judges can continue to be confirmed. But, as demonstrated by the Feinstein dilemma, at what cost? Is sacrificing a person with profound cognitive decline and recent widow's dignity, as well as inhibiting the largest state in the Union from truly having full representation, the price to pay? I just wonder if the Democratic party's continued attempts to keep Feinstein in her seat will eventually nullify any benefits of a Democratic controlled Judiciary Committee's for the next year and a half, if voters eventually show disdain towards the Democrats for keeping an obviously incapacitated person in her seat, a move that could signal that blind support for "the establishment" supersedes the party's desire to be responsive and representative. Because if the GOP agreed to let Dems replace her on the Judiciary Committee, there's no way in which Feinstein wouldn't be long gone already.

Feinstein has died. RIP

Edit: ^^what blitz said. But it throws a bit of a wrench into the plans of keeping here there until the end of the term.
 
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Republicans keep telling me that I'm supposed to be furious about Afghanistan and here I am still wondering how, if the country actively wanted to entirely revert back to being a dumpster fire over the course of a 3 day weekend, the US should have continued to intervene.



Was Biden supposed to just annex the place? I ask this knowing full well that none of the morons in the House shrieking about it have actually rubbed their collective two brain cells to an answer.
Yeah this is exactly it. Other than parts of Kabul, the whole of Afghanistan was fine with the Taliban. I have a friend with family in Kandahar...which is the second largest city in the country...and even there people were neutral about the Taliban. The only way to keep the country relatively liberal was to have an indefinite presence there...essentially making it a permanent American colony. But what for? If there was ever a case of the US losing the plot, Afghanistan was it.
 
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