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And there are still people who think this childish simpleton was the greatest president ever.

Months after leaving the White House, former President Donald Trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive information about U.S. nuclear submarines with a member of his Mar-a-Lago Club -- an Australian billionaire who then allegedly shared the information with scores of others, including more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his own employees, and a handful of journalists, according to sources familiar with the matter.
According to Pratt's account, as described by the sources, Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should start buying its submarines from the United States, to which an excited Trump -- "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet -- then told Pratt two pieces of information about U.S. submarines: the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry, and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian submarine without being detected.

 
And there are still people who think this childish simpleton was the greatest president ever.




Not sure if you've met his base but they're also childish simpletons. Where do y'all find them out there? A little town like Moses Lake seems like the right place.
 
Scalise was briefly the prospective nominee for Speaker--having beaten out Jordan with barely more than half the Republican side's backing--but the bitch has since backed out.

I'm frequently critical about Democrats' ineptitude on the hill but their vote to oust McCarthy, while certainly in their interests anyway, has turned out to be a spectacular gambit. Republicans have done nothing but show how clownish they are during all of this, it's really no wonder they blame Democrats instead of their own broken conference.

As few as five Republicans could still pick someone Democrats would actually want to vote for, possibly even the minority leader, but instead this bitch wants Democrats' help in voting for a Republican that has yet to even be nominated.

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Funny thing is this is the bitch that got so pissy with Gaetz in January over the process that resulted in McCarthy being chosen as an imperiled Speaker that he had to be pulled away.

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Scalise was briefly the prospective nominee for Speaker--having beaten out Jordan with barely more than half the Republican side's backing--but the bitch has since backed out.

I'm frequently critical about Democrats' ineptitude on the hill but their vote to oust McCarthy, while certainly in their interests anyway, has turned out to be a spectacular gambit. Republicans have done nothing but show how clownish they are during all of this, it's really no wonder they blame Democrats instead of their own broken conference.

As few as five Republicans could still pick someone Democrats would actually want to vote for, possibly even the minority leader, but instead this bitch wants Democrats' help in voting for a Republican that has yet to even be nominated.

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Funny thing is this is the bitch that got so pissy with Gaetz in January over the process that resulted in McCarthy being chosen as an imperiled Speaker that he had to be pulled away.

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"Don't touch my hair, DO NOT touch my hair!!!"
 
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Imagine that, electing a speaker that Democrats and Republicans (at least some) agree on. It's almost like compromise and not doing partisan politics leads to a functional government.
This all also highlights how outsized and bastardized the role of Speaker has become. The majority and minority parties already both have leaders and the Speaker was intended to ensure parliamentary procedure is followed, but now the Speaker does what it can to ensure legislation disfavored by the majority party never sees deliberation. It's about control of the public rather than governance by the public.

The issue is so contentious because of the amount of power the House has given to the Speakership, but the House can easily take that power away and return the Speaker to a neutral enforcer by establishing rules constraining it and giving every bill a shot, but Republicans, as the majority party, want the Speaker--their Speaker--to have that power.
 
Gym Jordan is the new nomination for the House, so I expect that the Republicans will fail again, or they should.
 
Scalise was briefly the prospective nominee for Speaker--having beaten out Jordan with barely more than half the Republican side's backing--but the bitch has since backed out.

I'm frequently critical about Democrats' ineptitude on the hill but their vote to oust McCarthy, while certainly in their interests anyway, has turned out to be a spectacular gambit. Republicans have done nothing but show how clownish they are during all of this, it's really no wonder they blame Democrats instead of their own broken conference.

As few as five Republicans could still pick someone Democrats would actually want to vote for, possibly even the minority leader, but instead this bitch wants Democrats' help in voting for a Republican that has yet to even be nominated.

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Funny thing is this is the bitch that got so pissy with Gaetz in January over the process that resulted in McCarthy being chosen as an imperiled Speaker that he had to be pulled away.

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Revenge for "not voting on a Supreme Court nominee back in 2016 in an election year" is best served stale, spoiled, and yet mysteriously satisfying.
 
Gym Jordan is the new nomination for the House, so I expect that the Republicans will fail again, or they should.
AnD iT's ThE dEmOcRaTs' FaUlT iF tHeY dO.
Revenge for "not voting on a Supreme Court nominee back in 2016 in an election year" is best served stale, spoiled, and yet mysteriously satisfying.
I mean I'm giving Democrats credit for a supposed gambit but it's really likely they've voted only in their own interests and anything that's happened as a result of that is just serendipitous. They're really terrible at this sort of thing.

With all the Republican in-fighting and blame-casting, I'd really like to hear what Republicans who voted for Pelosi for Speaker at the start of the 116th Congress think of this situation.

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Oh.
 
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The last Republican roll call netted Jordan 155 votes. Jeffries has 212 from an undivided minority party. All Republicans have to do to get out of their own mess is bring a floor vote and let the chips fall where they will, but they don't want to because it may result in a Republican not getting the Speakership. Republicans are dragging this out.
 
Sometime this afternoon, Rep. Jim Jordan (R–Ohio) might be elected the next Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. Or he might not. Honestly, it's impossible to tell right now.

If he does—and, actually, even if he doesn't—it will be a fitting culmination for the current era of conservative politics in Washington: An era defined not by lawmakers with big ideas and impressive policy accomplishments, but much of the opposite. As long as the Republican Party is a policy-free zone, Jordan might as well be the guy in charge.

For someone on the brink of being speaker, Jordan has a remarkably shallow track record. He's been in Congress since 2007 but has passed exactly zero bills into law, as House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries has become fond of pointing out. The Washington Post's Aaron Blake writes that other, more comprehensive, metrics of legislative effectiveness point to similar conclusions. According to the Center for Effective Lawmaking, a joint project of the University of Virginia and Vanderbilt University, Jordan has been one of the five least effective Republicans over the past four Congresses, Blake notes.

There is, of course, plenty of merit in stopping bad ideas from becoming law—something that doesn't show up in these sorts of rating systems—and it is in that area where Jordan has arguably excelled as a lawmaker. This is, after all, the same man who was once described as a "legislative terrorist" by former Speaker John Boehner—a fellow Republican.

Jordan's tenure in Congress has been defined by his ability to navigate the choppy and chaotic waters of contemporary Republican politics. That's no small feat considering how topsy-turvy the party has gone over the nine terms that Jordan has served. And he's now got the thing that likely matters more than any legislative accomplishment could: the endorsement of former President Donald Trump.

Jordan has been an unabashed supporter of Trump for years. He played a key role in defending Trump during his first impeachment, then was one of the dozens of Republican lawmakers who went along with Trump's plot to overturn the results of the 2020 election. When Trump was impeached a second time for that incident, Jordan again delivered a fiery criticism of the effort.

One might conclude that it is not legislative accomplishments, but fealty to Trump that has elevated Jordan within Republican politics. But, no, that's not quite right, either, because it overstates the distinction between those two things. Lacking a substantial policy agenda for much of the past decade, the strongest organizing principle within the GOP has become Trump himself—and Jordan has hewed closely to that principle.

To be clear, this is a problem that goes well beyond Jordan and today's speakership election. But you can't understand Jordan's potential ascendancy without that dynamic. When the GOP voted in 2020 to abolish its party platform in favor of going along with whatever Trump wanted, it was treated as a bit of a joke. In retrospect, it remains deeply telling.

For a normal political party in more normal times, Jordan's would be regarded as an obviously unorthodox path to the speakership. Historically, lawmakers elected to leadership positions are expected to lead, but it's not clear what direction Jordan is aiming to go.

Perhaps the best way to understand how the Republican Party has evolved over the past decade is to contrast this moment with another fractious speakership fight that broke out when the GOP controlled the House in 2015.

With John Boehner resigning from the top post and Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) unable to secure enough votes from the party's right flank—it wouldn't be the last time that happened to him—the Republican caucus turned then-Rep. Paul Ryan (R–Wis.) as a compromise candidate. Ryan did not want the job at first but was eventually persuaded to lift the gavel.

They turned to Ryan in that moment of uncertainty because he was a guy with ideas. Most famously, he'd drawn up plans to balance the budget and overhaul the welfare system, something that even Ryan's critics admitted showed serious policy chops.

Yes, much of Ryan's tenure as speaker was a failure—especially with regard to the budget and deficit issues that he cared so much about as a backbencher. And there is the chance, no matter how slim it may look right now, that Jordan turns out to be exactly the right man for this job. As with most things about Congress, it's best to have an open mind and a sense of humor regarding whatever happens next.

Still, it's telling when Republicans needed a leader nine years ago, they turned to someone like Ryan: a politician with big, yet undeniably conservative ideas. Today, under similar circumstances, they may select a new leader who is known for being in some ways the opposite of that.

Jordan may turn out to be a fine speaker, but his election will be another telling signal that Republicans have abandoned any pretense about pursuing policy.
 
It looks like Jim Jordan is going to lose again. He could only afford to lose 3 votes and there are currently 2 for McCarthy and 2 for others.
 
Ah.
The wife of a Republican congressman opposing Rep. Jim Jordan's candidacy for speaker of the House received anonymous text messages in recent days urging her husband to vote for Jordan or else get voted out.

Images of some of the messages to GOP Rep. Don Bacon's wife, Angie, were posted on the social media platform X on Tuesday evening by Politico reporter Olivia Beavers.

"Talk to your husband tell him to step up and be a leader and help the Republican Party get a speaker," one message reads. "There's too much going on in the world for all this going on in Republican Party you guys take five steps forward and then turn around take 20 steps backwards no wonder our party always ends up getting screwed over,"

"Your husband will not hold any political office ever again," wrote a detractor from a separate number. "What a disappoint and failure he is."

Bacon further told Politico in a statement that the couple also received several anonymous emails as well, passing along similar messages.

The vitriolic messages to Bacon and his family come as several prominent right-wing media hosts, like Steve Bannon and Sean Hannity, have adamantly pressed their followers to send messages to any GOP member opposing Jordan's candidacy.

An email obtained by Axios shows a producer of Sean Hannity's Fox News' television show prodding congressional staffers as to why their bosses were opposing Jordan amidst global chaos, while the Washington Post reported that Hannity also personally tried to speak with members against Jordan in an attempt to sway them.

As of Wednesday morning, Jordan's current chances of winning the speakership on the House's second day of voting appear slim after 20 Republican members voted for a different candidate just a day before. Due to the Republican Party's extremely slim majority in the House, Jordan can't afford more than four holdouts if he has any shot at succeeding.
 
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Have I mentioned I'm glad Democrats voted to oust that rat bitch McCarthy?
 
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And Jordan still isn't going to give up and some of the Republicans are still blaming the Democrats for this mess. Look, I can blame the Democrats for a bunch of things, but the Speaker of the House disaster is one thing that is solely on the Republicans. They allowed the stupid rules and McCarthy sold his soul to the dumbass contingency of the House.
 
And Jordan still isn't going to give up and some of the Republicans are still blaming the Democrats for this mess. Look, I can blame the Democrats for a bunch of things, but the Speaker of the House disaster is one thing that is solely on the Republicans. They allowed the stupid rules and McCarthy sold his soul to the dumbass contingency of the House.
Democrats don't need to help the Republicans save face. The Republicans need to grow a spine and figure out how to solve this in a bipartisan fashion. Because they didn't deal with idiots like Gaetz, they brought this on themselves.
 
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