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If the story is true, I think this was one of the better solutions. No one got hurt apart from the guy who supposedly tried to kill himself.
If they would have used their weapons the guy most likely would be dead now, since US cops shoot to kill. It just looks a bit too drastic.
He rammed him against a wall. Had it not been as brittle as it was the guy would be dead or about to lose his lower extremities.

Honestly, I'd have a far easier time believing the cop just made a mistake and approached the subject too fast and lost control. That's why I am waiting for the corroborating video of the man threatening the police.

Police say the guy was threatening suicide. Perhaps they were just trying to be helpful. Protect and serve.
 
Police say the guy was threatening suicide. Perhaps they were just trying to be helpful.

Then they most likely just would have shot him. But I agree, without knowing the full story it's still a strange thing to witness.
 
No, it's just easy to see nothing in that video follows police training. Using a police vehicle to block or trap a suspect is standard procedure. Ramming a person at full throttle through a wall is destructive and not in line with proper training. It's clear the cop was "hung-ho" and didn't think of public safety.

I would have likely used my vehicle too but in a safer area (say the other side of the driveway 💡). Maybe even coordinate something with my fellow officer!?! You know, the logical things cops are trained to do..Shooting him would have been a safer, less destructive option. Ramming a car into the unknown is stupid though.
Great idea. Get out of your car at 40 yards and try to take out a guy with your pistol when he has a gun big enough to take down a deer or moose. Ever shoot a pistol at 40 yards?

He was literally seconds away from potentially taking out an innocent bystander with his rifle. He had already committed more than one felony. He had already threatened suicide. He had already fired it into the air which can injure and kill someone.

Give the cop a medal and the key to the city and close this case.
 
Great idea. Get out of your car at 40 yards and try to take out a guy with your pistol when he has a gun big enough to take down a deer or moose. Ever shoot a pistol at 40 yards?

He was literally seconds away from potentially taking out an innocent bystander with his rifle. He had already committed more than one felony. He had already threatened suicide. He had already fired it into the air which can injure and kill someone.

Give the cop a medal and the key to the city and close this case.



Pick what you like from my post, the cops execution of that maneuver was poorly done. You don't ram full throttle into the unknown/

What was my great idea again? That scenario you wrote was yours not mine.

Only video games give medals for poor driving and extra damage.
 
I think in general, American Police are just on another level of aggression compared to other western countries.

Like in police chases for example they will never back down even if there is heavy traffic and crashing into civilians is a big possibility, here police will chase a suspect as long as it's safe to do so, but in America they are willing to basically take out every living thing to get the suspect.

Probably has to do with Americas Private Prison System, but don't quote me on that.
 
Police departments in the U.S. all have policies regarding high speed car chases under the guidance of The Department of Justice. Here is a little background and an example from Phoenix on pursuit termination.

The relationship between the DOJ and local law enforcement in this regard, serves to maximize public safety and to protect local agencies in the court systems. Money allocations is also part of it, so it's sort of 'play by our rules and we'll help fund you'. Anyway, check this out from The National Institute of Justice(branch of the DOJ), the text formatting is from me...
NIJ
Police throughout the country engage in hundreds of high-speed automobile chases every day. Enough of these result in serious property damage, personal injury, and death to make police pursuit a major public concern. In the October 1988 term, the Supreme Court of the United States handed down two decisions of importance in defining restrictive policies for high-speed pursuits.

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In Brower v. County ~f lnyo,l the Court held that creating a roadblock in the path of a fleeing driver and pursuing him into it constitutes a "seizure" within the meaning of the fourth amendment to the United States Constitution. In City of Canton v. Harris,2 the Court wrote that failure to train officers in a particular duty. Where the need for training is obvious and lack of training is likely to result in violation of constitutional rights, can make a municipality liable. The example chosen by the Court was training in the use of deadly force, which it had held to be a fourth amendment seizure in Tennessee v. Garner.3 Read together, the three cases lay a foundation for liability in high-speed pursuits if municipalities have failed to adopt reasonable policies or provide adequate training. To provide a context for understanding and evaluating pursuit policy, this Issues and Practices will first define pursuit, then analyze the policy and liability issues it raises. After briefly reviewing the applicable research, the report examines restrictive policies governing vehicle pursuits in four law enforcement agencies. Finally, the report suggests major issues that police agencies should address in developing pursuit policies.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/122025NCJRS.pdf

And how the funding works...
NIJ
Targeting resources, assuring their effective allocation, and developing new means of cooperation between the public and private sector are some of the emerging issues in law enforcement and criminal justice that research can help illuminate.
THe NIJ reports yearly to Congress, I wonder if municipal police conduct is much of a priority. I bring this up because with the feds on their side it seems to me they've become much more aggressive. I think all this started in the late 80's and you can see the reports started in the mid 90's. From the war on drugs continuing on to homeland security, we are seeing a militant style policing in our communities :scared:
DOJ
The Community Oriented Policing Services Office (COPS) offers grants to help law enforcement agencies to hire more community policing officers, to acquire new technologies and equipment, to hire civilians for administrative tasks, and to promote innovative approaches to solving crime. The COPS Office Response Center provides information on programs, grants, and application assistance for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services. The COPS Office Response Center also assists COPS grantees with financial questions and grant-related inquiries about COPS.
http://www.justice.gov/business/grants


And one end result specific to chase termination.
Termination

An officer should terminate when any of the following occurs:

• Suspect is known to officer and offence is traffic infraction, misdemeanor, or nonviolent felony.

• Distance between officer and violator is such that continuing pursuit would require spee.ci:s endangering officer and public.

• Officer loses visual contact with suspect for extended. Time (approximately 15 seconds). Officer may continue to look for suspect, but at reduced speeds.

• There is clear and unreasonable hazard [0 officer, violator, or public. There is unreasonable hazard when speed dangerously exceeds normal flow of traffic. or when vehicular or pedestrian traffic necessitates erratic maneuvering exceeding performance capacities of vehicle or driver.

• Danger outweighs necessity for immediate apprehension. Appendix C 29
• Environmental conditions such as rain, fog, or darkness substantially increase risk.

• Officer is unfamiliar with area and is unable to notify dispatcher of his location and direction of pursuit.

• Road conditions are congested by traffic or pedestrians.

• Violator goes wrong way down one-way street, freeway, freeway frontage road, or divided highway.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/122025NCJRS.pdf

These policies are not uniform from state to state or even city to city within a state, all I can say is they are implemented.
 
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That seems like a worse idea than basing it off of fictional media...
Well it's not like the News don't film chases.

Even here we seem to get one from america nearly every day.

Police shows that film real action also show the point, especially compared to Australian ones.
 
FBI admits flaws in hair analysis over decades

This isn't very good, there could be innocents convicted sure, there could also be guilty possibly released. Anytime something of this magnitude is found in our judicial system it puts into question it's very foundation. It's going to take a lot of time and money to get it sorted but the good thing is, it's recognized and being addressed.

The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.

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I have to question this, The Washington Post is basically taking credit for discovery and forcing the probe. It doesn't mater how much they contributed, this bit is not journalism imo.

Federal authorities launched the investigation in 2012 after The Washington Post reported that flawed forensic hair matches might have led to the convictions of hundreds of potentially innocent people since at least the 1970s, typically for murder, rape and other violent crimes nationwide.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c8d8c6-e515-11e4-b510-962fcfabc310_story.html
 
Well it's not like the News don't film chases.

Even here we seem to get one from america nearly every day.

Police shows that film real action also show the point, especially compared to Australian ones.
Your problem is that your description is very hyperbolic.

but in America they are willing to basically take out every living thing to get the suspect.
You are completely unable to defend that statement. If you see a police chase from LA and there is almost no one on the road it is because police cleared things out ahead of the chase. LA rarely has near-empty highways. The media is zoomed in on the action, nothing else. You don't see what is done to protect civilians.

This is not to say that there aren't innocent casualties. There are, and likely too many, but nothing close to "every living thing" and most of them are not a direct result of the officers' actions, but rather the fleeing suspect.

What I personally think should be done is that if someone flees for something as simple as a traffic ticket then police should ease back and put out a notice for the car's description. I know police here will turn their lights off once they get close and then flip them on after they get behind the suspect. At that point they have the ability to get the plate number. If the suspect takes off just call in the plate info and apprehend him/her later.

I do understand that there are cases where the person flees because they are wanted for a much larger crime, but without any evidence of that a chase for something small is not worth the risks. And if they are able to determine that the person is wanted for a much larger crime then no attempts to stop him should occur until other officers are able to assist in order to avoid police being killed the moment they step out of their car.
 
I always wonder how many of those idiots actually go out and participate in elections and support candidates that would be harder on police departments.
 
"there is no one act that is going to solve the solution"

Kids feel entitled to go to class unhindered, how dare they :lol: Those protesters should face disciplinary action, that was ridiculous.

I always wonder how many of those idiots actually go out and participate in elections and support candidates that would be harder on police departments.

Or have their voting rights revoked for displays of stupidity.
 
The parallel is a stretch, a black man is inconvenienced in daily life where everyone else is not. Shot in fact I guess. The girl in the glasses tries to explain.
 
What a bunch of idiots, is this a joke?

I also couldn't help but laugh at how the protest was supposed to be about racism and one of the guys called a guy trying to get through a privileged white kid. "UC Berkley is racist as hell!" :lol:
 
"They feel that entitled that they don't have to listen to what we're saying". A whole new definition of entitlement:lol:

The inmates are running the asylum. I suppose they prevented some students from getting to exams. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
I think in general, American Police are just on another level of aggression compared to other western countries.

Like in police chases for example they will never back down even if there is heavy traffic and crashing into civilians is a big possibility,

Sounds more like a fleeing suspect....
here police will chase a suspect as long as it's safe to do so, but in America they are willing to basically take out every living thing to get the suspect.

Probably has to do with Americas Private Prison System, but don't quote me on that.
I see we like making things up after watching an episode of John Bunnell narrating police chases.
 
Not saying I came to a conclusion from that, but the very thing you said contradicts itself.
Nothing else likes to tout that an officer will stop at nothing to get to a suspect than a show featuring John narrating. None of our news outlets dictate anything of the sort to what you claimed. There are pursuit-restrictions that are dictated by weather, traffic, & what the suspect is wanted for. You condemn US officers as just wanting to endanger everyone, yet ignore the fact that whoever they're chasing is doing the same just to get away.

You're pulling, "in America they are willing to basically take out every living thing to get the suspect" from nothing but an attempt to judge all US police as bad apples.
 
But im not, I understand that many of these Controversial shootings involving blacks are not all 1 way and many are infact not the polices fault as they where forced to do as such.

I was strictly speaking of car chases, which are more aggressive then what im used to in Australia, there is plenty of videos from news Helicopters showing police tactics outside of a police show narrated by a guy that has been disproven many times that their videos have been edited(See the E30 M3 police chase for example).

However, violent crime is more prevalent in America so chances are
These chases are involving higher risk suspects.
 
But im not, I understand that many of these Controversial shootings involving blacks are not all 1 way and many are infact not the polices fault as they where forced to do as such.
No one has said anything about shootings.
I was strictly speaking of car chases, which are more aggressive then what im used to in Australia, there is plenty of videos from news Helicopters showing police tactics outside of a police show narrated by a guy that has been disproven many times that their videos have been edited(See the E30 M3 police chase for example).
Such as what? Pit-maneuvers? Spike strips?

These are not used on bystanders & are not generally given the go-ahead near any.
However, violent crime is more prevalent in America so chances are
These chases are involving higher risk suspects.
Still doesn't give your "take out every living thing" any validity. You exaggerated.
 
No one has said anything about shootings.
You mentioned US Police which is general as it gets so I mentioned other topics which consume attention at this moment.

Such as what? Pit-maneuvers? Spike strips?
Pit manoeuvres yes mainly due to the fact it's prevalent, in Australia this would be approaching last resort.

Still doesn't give your "take out every living thing" any validity. You exaggerated.
Clearly anyone with an ounce of intelligence could see that, it was used a dramatic effect.
 
You mentioned US Police which is general as it gets so I mentioned other topics which consume attention at this moment.
In regards to police chases.
Pit manoeuvres yes mainly due to the fact it's prevalent, in Australia this would be approaching last resort.
Which are generally the same here. And again, are not done with bystanders in the area.
Clearly anyone with an ounce of intelligence could see that, it was used a dramatic effect.
Of course it was.

Just like you originally used police shows to support the point our officers are out of control.
Police shows that film real action also show the point, especially compared to Australian ones.
Then disregard them because they've been shown to be edited only after I bring up that John highly exaggerates the intensity of the shows you claim "show the point".
outside of a police show narrated by a guy that has been disproven many times that their videos have been edited (See the E30 M3 police chase for example).
 
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It seems like there are a lot of stories regarding what the police may have done wrong in their handling of a situation. One of my biggest issues with media is that they have such a negative focus that people believe our world is falling apart, despite violent crimes having been on a decrease for decades. It is rare that they will focus on the good cops being cool or the fact that there is less stuff to be afraid of.

So, I ran across a feel-good story today that involves police and thought I would share that.

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/police-officer-pulls-over-toddler-and-makes-his-117179092982.html

Police Officer Pulls Over Toddler — And Makes His Day
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Officer Bill Mayo pulled over Jaxon Arbuckle, 2, at his mother’s request. (Photo: Ashley Crawford/Facebook)
For most parents, watching their child get pulled over is a nightmare. But when Ashley Crawford saw the flashing lights of a police car behind her son’s vehicle, she happily whipped out her camera.
Jaxon Arbuckle, Crawford’s son, is a 2-year-old who loves his toy car. So when Crawford saw that a local Louisville, Ky., police officer was tending to a small car wreck on her street on Tuesday, she had an idea. “I thought, ‘How cute would it be if I got a picture of Jaxon pulled over?’” she tells Yahoo Parenting. “I waited for him to finish up with his incident report and asked him if he wouldn’t mind turning the lights on and pulling Jaxon over.”
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Two-year-old Jaxon Arbuckle was excited to be pulled over in his favorite toy car, mom Ashley Crawford says. (Photo: Ashley Crawford/Facebook)
The police officer, Bill Mayo, was happy to play along. “I saw this little boy who looked to be not much older than my son, and he was running up and down the street like my son does and he just made me smile,” Mayo tells Yahoo Parenting. “He had this Little Tikes car, and his mom asked if she could snap some pictures. I would never say no to a boy like that. He kept looking up at me like I was some kind of Transformer. He kept smiling.”
Crawford says Jaxon was in heaven. “I placed Jaxon’s car on the street, and he was so excited,” the 21-year-old mom says. “When we first moved to Louisville a few months ago, he was scared of sirens, but now he loves them and he loves firetrucks. When he saw the sirens on our street he just kept yelling, ‘Look, Mommy, look!’”
Jaxon and Mayo spent about 20 minutes together, playing hide-and-go-seek and exchanging high-fives and hugs, Crawford says. “He went above and beyond just so my son would smile,” she says. “I think it’s important to see that police officers aren’t people you should be scared of. They are the people you should turn to for help.”
Mayo says he was the lucky one. “I probably got just as much out of the interaction as Jaxon did. It made my day complete,” he says. “I’m just a big kid as it is. In a child’s world, make believe and pretend is what it’s all about. I would do it a thousand times over.”
While Mayo doesn’t get to pull over a toddler that often, he says his actions that day weren’t unusual. “I can assure you that I have witnessed countless of the exact same acts of kindness from my fellow police officers on a daily and weekly basis,” he says. “It wasn’t unusual. But it felt good to get in touch with the community and show police officers’ true character and what we’re about.”
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Ashley Crawford says her son, Jaxon Arbuckle, loved hanging out with Officer Bill Mayo. (Photo: Ashley Crawford/Facebook)
That’s exactly why Crawford decided to share her photos on Facebook, and sent them to local news station WHAS-11. “You hear so much negativity about police officers. Whenever they’re on the news, it’s for something bad,” she says. “But Officer Mayo was the nicest guy I have ever met. It was such an amazing experience.”
Crawford is hoping this will be the first and last time her son gets pulled over. “My uncle, when he saw the pictures, said that Jaxon was pulled over for an OWP,” she says. “Operating with a pacifier.”

It is actually local to me, but I found it on Yahoo. I will admit that in my very few interactions with Louisville Metro Police (LMPD) that they have been relatively nice.
 
It seems like there are a lot of stories regarding what the police may have done wrong in their handling of a situation. One of my biggest issues with media is that they have such a negative focus that people believe our world is falling apart, despite violent crimes having been on a decrease for decades. It is rare that they will focus on the good cops being cool or the fact that there is less stuff to be afraid of.

So, I ran across a feel-good story today that involves police and thought I would share that.

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/police-officer-pulls-over-toddler-and-makes-his-117179092982.html



It is actually local to me, but I found it on Yahoo. I will admit that in my very few interactions with Louisville Metro Police (LMPD) that they have been relatively nice.
For every cop that does wrong, there are thousands that do right. Unfortunately doing right doesn't grab headlines, doesn't generate as many clicks, and often goes against the underlying agenda of much of the news media.
 
Every cop that covers up for a fellow officer has committed a crime. When people decide to accept that fact the thousands of "good officers" theory is void.



Every cop in this video is guilty by law.

 
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