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- GTP_FoolKiller
- FoolKiller1979
I didn't see that one, but I did see this one where a woman was arrested for waiting to find a parking lot to pull over for a speeding ticket, which was the advice that local police gave out two years ago after they had been alerted to an imposter trying to get a woman to stop.
http://news.yahoo.com/indiana-woman-arrested-seeking-parking-lot-pull-over-224621908.html
http://news.yahoo.com/indiana-woman-arrested-seeking-parking-lot-pull-over-224621908.html
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- Bay Area, CA
- Zenith113
Imagine what would have happened if someone wasn't filming. This would be just another statistic.
Normally I would say that it's a problem that many police officers are taught that their lives are always in peril and that everybody is out to get cops. This leads to a very twitchy and aggressive mindset that can turn misunderstandings into violence. This, on the other hand, seems like straight murder. The man was unarmed, running away, and you have his car. There's simply no justification for lethal force.
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- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
From the look of the video it's a pretty open and shut case although you can't see whether they struggled and for how long. Still, there was no present threat as the guy was running away and didn't have a weapon.
EDIT: Just watched a much longer version of the video on CNN. Something was thrown to the ground just as the suspect begins to run, but it's not clear if the officer threw it or the suspect. Potentially it's the tazer as the cop said he was tazering. After the suspect is shot and handcuffed and before anyone else arrives, the officer runs back maybe 60 feet to where the object fell, and appears to pick it up. Later on after another officer arrives and attends to the suspect, the cop appears to bend over and pick something up about 10 feet away.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-charged-with-murder/index.html
The forensic evidence would still point to the cops guilt. No powder burns on the victim, no weapon, likely no injuries to the officer. I think the only way he would have gotten away with it is if he planted a gun on him.
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- Zenith113
Disagree. There's all kinds of lies that cop could (and as the evidence plant suggests, would) throw in to justify himself. Dead men tell no tales and investigations into officer involved shootings can often be extremely biased.
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- Azle, TX
- supermanfromazle
- SanjiHimura
But the officer insisted that the two fought over a tazer. A gun plant wouldn't add up the facts if he wanted to get off.
Besides, the cop just killed a service member (the victim was Coast Guard). Any excuse to fry him just doubled.
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- Dennisch
So, the Daily show had a bit about rapists.
Apparently there are plenty of states where rapists have the rights of the father.
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What the hell.
Apparently there are plenty of states where rapists have the rights of the father.
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What the hell.
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- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
A gun plant would have given the officer the excuse to shoot, if he could plant the gun with the victim's fingerprints on it. Even if the gun held no bullets he could have said he got away from the struggle, turned and pointed a gun at me, then kept running so I shot him. Of course the video would have negated that, but in the absence of video and credible eyewitnesses, it would have worked.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/south-carolina-police-shooting/index.html
New dashcam video released showing Mr. Scott being pulled over and then ultimately running from his vehicle when the officer was back at his squad car. Chase ensues but off camera. Another witness has come forward to say that there was a struggle at the entrance to the vacant lot.
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- GTP_FoolKiller
- FoolKiller1979
There are many different cases of things where the person clearly in the wrong comes away from court better than their victim. Whenever a case like these happen I am befuddled at how this can happen. It's amazing what you can achieve with a decent lawyer in a highly litigious society.
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- driftking18594
- CiaranGTR94
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- Azle, TX
- supermanfromazle
- SanjiHimura
The Aaron Hernandez jury won't come to a verdict this week. They will resume at 9am Eastern time, Monday. I think that the State actually has a tough mountain to climb since they are claiming that he was the trigger man, instead of orchestrating the murder, which I think is a lot easier to prove.
Here is what the jury is going through:
Here is what the jury is going through:
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- Bratvegas
- GTP_Liquid
Um... this also happened lately. Just wait for the first minute. How convenient that the audio is cut off.
Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, when he is on the ground the bloke puts his hands behind his back before the officers start kicking seven shades out of him?
Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, when he is on the ground the bloke puts his hands behind his back before the officers start kicking seven shades out of him?
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- TenEightyOne
Or the ten deputies suspended after the beating of a man who'd surrendered to them.
EDIT: Tree'd by @Liquid
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- MP-Omnis
What I want to know is why the hell that guy is out stealing horses when he should be in the boxing ring. He took a tazer, several kicks and stomps to the head and jaw and balls, punches and hammer-fisted blows to the kidneys and liver, and he took it all like a champ. Real life Logan Howlett.
Anyway, did anyone else's taxes go up this year? Let's just say my family is pissed now that I'm not in college.
Anyway, did anyone else's taxes go up this year? Let's just say my family is pissed now that I'm not in college.
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- Frankfort, KY
- GTP_FoolKiller
- FoolKiller1979
What happened leading up to the horse thief incident? The woman on the video said there were two deputies down. That has my curiosity. Whatever it was doesn't excuse the boot party, but it can at least give some insight into the emotional state of the officers doing the beating.
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Just as there wasn't enough bad press surrounding police in the USA, a 73-year-old millionaire volunteer deputy in Tulsa, Oklahoma, accidentally shot a black man instead of tazing him. While the volunteer appeared to show remorse, the officer accompanying him taunted the mortally wounded man, and said "🤬 your breath". Telegraph link
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I'm not sure if this is a good call or not. I'm leaning toward not but at least the suspect wasn't killed.
When I heard a cop used his car I figured he'd just knocked the guy over to make him drop his gun. I didn't realize he blasted into him. I feel like this decision may have been a bit hasty, as the cop following the suspect was clearly trying to figure out something to do.
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- Johnnypenso
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/us/arizona-police-run-over-suspect/index.html
At 6:45 a.m. on February 19, Valencia allegedly robbed a 7-Eleven in Tucson with a metal object in his hand. Authorities said he was dressed only in his underwear.He was charged with theft.
A little more than an hour later, police said, Valencia set a fire at a church for which he was charged with arson of an occupied structure.
Just after that he entered a home and stole a car, police said.
Authorities said he drove to a Walmart in Marana, where he allegedly stole a .30-30 rifle and ammunition. He fled the store with Walmart employees in pursuit.
Police encountered him in a business park walking down the road. An officer told him several times to drop the rifle, Lt. Tim Brunenkant with Marana police said in an email containing a timeline of events.
Valencia, police said, walked away from the officer, turned a corner and stopped. Valencia pointed the rifle at the officer then walked away again toward a Coca-Cola bottling plant and another business.
Brunenkant also said by phone that before Rapiejko's encounter with Valencia, the suspect had pointed the rifle at his head multiple times and threatened suicide before fleeing.
Rozema said that Valencia's firing of the weapon, his refusal to obey the first officer's commands to drop the gun and the pointing of the gun at the officer were key.
A guy is walking down the street in a business park after a crime spree, firing a rifle into the air powerful enough to kill a moose or deer. What do you expect the cops to do? Walk up to him and ask him to please put the gun down? The guy was literally potentially seconds from killing an innocent civilian or firing at the cops and potentially killing an officer. Taser is out, too closer range. Firing a weapon in an area like that could easily get someone killed in the crossfire and a pistol isn't accurate at that range anyway.
I say job well done.
At 6:45 a.m. on February 19, Valencia allegedly robbed a 7-Eleven in Tucson with a metal object in his hand. Authorities said he was dressed only in his underwear.He was charged with theft.
A little more than an hour later, police said, Valencia set a fire at a church for which he was charged with arson of an occupied structure.
Just after that he entered a home and stole a car, police said.
Authorities said he drove to a Walmart in Marana, where he allegedly stole a .30-30 rifle and ammunition. He fled the store with Walmart employees in pursuit.
Police encountered him in a business park walking down the road. An officer told him several times to drop the rifle, Lt. Tim Brunenkant with Marana police said in an email containing a timeline of events.
Valencia, police said, walked away from the officer, turned a corner and stopped. Valencia pointed the rifle at the officer then walked away again toward a Coca-Cola bottling plant and another business.
Brunenkant also said by phone that before Rapiejko's encounter with Valencia, the suspect had pointed the rifle at his head multiple times and threatened suicide before fleeing.
Rozema said that Valencia's firing of the weapon, his refusal to obey the first officer's commands to drop the gun and the pointing of the gun at the officer were key.
A guy is walking down the street in a business park after a crime spree, firing a rifle into the air powerful enough to kill a moose or deer. What do you expect the cops to do? Walk up to him and ask him to please put the gun down? The guy was literally potentially seconds from killing an innocent civilian or firing at the cops and potentially killing an officer. Taser is out, too closer range. Firing a weapon in an area like that could easily get someone killed in the crossfire and a pistol isn't accurate at that range anyway.
I say job well done.
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- Johnnypenso
It's so easy to assess things in hindsight from your couch. What would you have done differently I might ask? Waited for him to walk around some more and increase the risk that he takes a potshot at the first person he sees? Buy him a coke and hope he cools off? Shoot him? Tazer him? Tell us what you would have done differently.
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- FoolKiller1979
Police said...
Police said...
Police said...
Fortunately, everything police said happened in places where there are usually security cameras. The evidence to corroborate their side of the story should be available very soon.
Of course, if no charges are filed then the videos do not go into public record and never see the light of day, not even with an FOIA request. Convenient.
Police said...
Police said...
Fortunately, everything police said happened in places where there are usually security cameras. The evidence to corroborate their side of the story should be available very soon.
Of course, if no charges are filed then the videos do not go into public record and never see the light of day, not even with an FOIA request. Convenient.
Just another criminal getting what he deserved.
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- Dennisch
If the story is true, I think this was one of the better solutions. No one got hurt apart from the guy who supposedly tried to kill himself.
If they would have used their weapons the guy most likely would be dead now, since US cops shoot to kill. It just looks a bit too drastic.
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- playnthru
No, it's just easy to see nothing in that video follows police training. Using a police vehicle to block or trap a suspect is standard procedure. Ramming a person at full throttle through a wall is destructive and not in line with proper training. It's clear the cop was "hung-ho" and didn't think of public safety.
I would have likely used my vehicle too but in a safer area (say the other side of the driveway 💡). Maybe even coordinate something with my fellow officer!?! You know, the logical things cops are trained to do..Shooting him would have been a safer, less destructive option. Ramming a car into the unknown is stupid though.
