America - The Official Thread

[fasj6418]

that´s the kind of reply you get from someone trying to justify a war.

read your signature again, carefully. if you studied history correctly i should know its the same thinking adolph hitler had in mind in the mid 20´s. you probably know why he started a war and how he made germans jump into something ugly like it was WW2. i don´t need to explain history, you should know that patriotism sometimes makes people blind, in cases like WW2 and right now with Mr bush

true story - i know you wouldn´t tell, but bush was the man who step down in brazil´s capital asking if it was buenos aires...

just to make clear: i like the USA, just don´t like some of their politics and supporters, just as i don´t like some of the politics in my homeland.

yes, i´m a journalist. big typo, i might get slapped because of that. i would love to hear your thoughts to support your ideas, not just picking with childish stuff, like i spelt wrong or something like it.

people outside of the US have a different perspective about the world. and a lot of americans also show they don´t back up sending troops for a fight for oil and gas. (also huge money made in rebuilding iraq). the worst thing is that many soldiers go to the war thinking they are doing the right thing and fighting for peace. such a brainwash...

btw, what do you know about the world outside US? for instance, what language do i speak?

 

[Small_Fryz]

Posting rhetoric like he did, you will need all the credibility you can get.

Of course, anything that you dont belive or dont accept is indeed wrong.

Everything you say and belive is right and your never wrong.

People like you will never ever change their views or opinions because your mind is so closed. Even if the evidence was staring you in the face. Youd never even consider it anyway as its "Wrong".

Its no point argueing with you.

Good luck with your views.

Saint Bush

 

[Solid Fro]

people outside of the US have a different perspective about the world. and a lot of americans also show they don´t back up sending troops for a fight for oil and gas. (also huge money made in rebuilding iraq). the worst thing is that many soldiers go to the war thinking they are doing the right thing and fighting for peace. such a brainwash...

Since you are a journalist, would you kindly cite your sources? All good journalists cite their sources.

Correct?

Journalists never run stories without sources.

btw, what do you know about the world outside US? for instance, what language do i speak?

Portuguese, if you are from Brazil.

I would also assume you speak English. Maybe even Japanese, if you are a descendant from 19th century Japanese settlers or Spanish, if you learned it from your neighboring countries.

 

[fasj6418]

Good to know you like to read stories about the other side of the war, and also, about USA foreign policy.

There´s plenty of stuff to relate as source, such as:

Le Monde and Le Monde Diplomatique, both french newspapers with huge insight on world politics.

The Observer, fom UK, easier because its all in english. (and sometimes better than Le Monde)

also, some authors like Inagcio Ramonet (french) and your fellow north american Noam Chomsky. if you have time, take a look at his book "What Uncle Sam Really Wants" its a great behind the scenes document about USA politics. Chomsky has a lot of theoretical books, but also, some about politics. they are all good 👍

of course, local sources i don´t need to name them, because its all in portuguese. but, if you want to look, you can look for the magazine Carta Capital or Caros Amigos if you´re curious.

other source, and this is a very popular one, would be Michael Moore. even if you hate him, and don´t agree with the things he defends in his movies, you can always use him as a source to get to know "facts". then, after some google, its easier to get a better idea on what he really said, and if that´s true.

if you have a good cable provider, you can watch Al-Jazeera network. they are also loaded with political interest, but they are a good alternative to be the opposite of Associated Press or Reuters. So, like they shown in this thread, you don´t need to be fool by AP.

its not ideology. nothing its made up. that´s for sure.

be careful if you watch any Jerry Bruckheimer movie. he did some great things like C.S.I but his political values are questioned around the world. For instance, the movie Pearl Harbor was very criticized outside the US...

well, hope you enjoy reading about this...

btw, japaneses mostly in São Paulo, in my state, most people came from German and Italy. so, no japanese for me. spanish just a bit. and my english will only be 100% once i spend some time in the USA, something i plan in the near future.

 

[Solid Fro]

The Communist Chomsky, Michael Moore, and Al-Jazeera?

 

[fasj6418]

The Communist Chomsky, Michael Moore, and Al-Jazeera?

no, he is not communist.

we all know communism is a failure. i didn´t say marx or engels. they might be outdated.

chomsky is good enough to be a carrear teacher in the Massachussetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

he is against neoliberalism, that´s clear. communism is a different thing.

about moore, of course there are thousants of anti-moore websites, but i only said to look at the facts.

like, Hamid Karzai, president of afghanistan. he worked for Unocal, yes, cheaney´s corporation. moore says that in his movie, but you can find the story in other places too. anti moore sites say this is a lie, but well, of course republicans won´t like to hear that.

al-jazeera is loaded with political influence. think of them as a FOX news channel for the middle east...

 

[Young_Warrior]

You have much to learn about the GTP community, Young Warrior.

I dont think so. You were just loosing an argument and decided to pick up on his literacy skills. As long as you can understand it whats the problem. Just give him a straight reply without all the spelling BS.

 

[Diego440]

Portuguese, if you are from Brazil.

Don't Brazilians speak Brazilian? A variation/derivation of Portuguese... like the difference between French French and Canadian French.

Oh well, I guess anything that goes against the government in the US is labelled Communist

 

[livemusic]

Don't Brazilians speak Brazilian? A variation/derivation of Portuguese... like the difference between French French and Canadian French.

No, it's Portuguese. Although it's so different from Portugal's Portuguese you often see "Brazilian Portuguese" as a language option in websites and softwares.

 

[Diego440]

I I have some Brazilian friends and it sounds very different to Portuguese... many words vary in spelling and pronunciation, right?

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

You have much to learn about the GTP community, Young Warrior.

but if ure posting rates remain constant Young_Warrior will have attained seniority w/u Viper Zero in c.179 days . a different commune-ity shall ariseth & Chomsky will pwn ure Library of Congress card.

 

[livemusic]

Yeah, the accent is quite different and some words and lingos are too. But it's not like we can't understand each other. Even inside Brazil we have pretty distinct accents and lingos in all the 26 states.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

If you dont like bush just send him a box of home made "special" pretzles and make sure his dogs arent in the room with him.

 

[ledhed]

no, he is not communist.

we all know communism is a failure. i didn´t say marx or engels. they might be outdated.

chomsky is good enough to be a carrear teacher in the Massachussetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

he is against neoliberalism, that´s clear. communism is a different thing.

about moore, of course there are thousants of anti-moore websites, but i only said to look at the facts.

like, Hamid Karzai, president of afghanistan. he worked for Unocal, yes, cheaney´s corporation. moore says that in his movie, but you can find the story in other places too. anti moore sites say this is a lie, but well, of course republicans won´t like to hear that.

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al-jazeera is loaded with political influence. think of them as a FOX news channel for the middle east...

BTW Chomski is not a comunist ...he's an apologist for communist and communism and thats not the same .




Chomski is a fad among some of our younger more impressionable types. If you bother to read his stuff you will soon enough find that he is an anoying moronic radical , with strange ideas that make one think mushrooms may be invoved in his thought patterns . The fact that he has tenure and that somehow that means anything else , than that the system is using him for the tool that he is , to attract more impressionable fools to part with cash ...well that proves you dont read and understand him .
Chomski....the new age Rasputin .

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

Noam Chomsky is not an apologist for communism or anyhting like it . What he is though is an academic who utilizes the actual statutes of the American Constitution to full effect ; by accessing documents , both normal gov publications and declassified ones , he goes to the trouble of publishing the actual truths concerning American Foreign Policy ( Activity ) which is truly mind-bending in it's scope . For this he's villified in a Single Country media that does a better job at having a hidden agenda than Dr.Goebbels , whereas throughout the rest of the world he is HIGHLY RESPECTED as a man of truth and knowledge plus the originator of the computational-pertaining field of Psycholinguistics . An American Hero high up there on my list of American Heroes ; Jim Morrison , Hunter S.Thompson , Richard Stallman u.s.w . . .

 

[fasj6418]

Noam Chomsky is not an apologist for communism or anyhting like it . What he is though is an academic who utilizes the actual statutes of the American Constitution to full effect ; by accessing documents , both normal gov publications and declassified ones , he goes to the trouble of publishing the actual truths concerning American Foreign Policy ( Activity ) which is truly mind-bending in it's scope . For this he's villified in a Single Country media that does a better job at having a hidden agenda than Dr.Goebbels , whereas throughout the rest of the world he is HIGHLY RESPECTED as a man of truth and knowledge plus the originator of the computational-pertaining field of Psycholinguistics . An American Hero high up there on my list of American Heroes ; Jim Morrison , Hunter S.Thompson , Richard Stallman u.s.w . . .

and that´s why his books are best sellers all over the world, but not in the US...

great definition, that´s exactly what he is...

 

[ledhed]

I love Hunter S Thompson . I've read almost every book and most of what he wrote..I'm still looking for some stuff that may be published or just some crap in archives thats may be just hangin' . The thing is I read ALL of Chomski amongst others and have managed to ACTUALLY understand where they are comming from . Dont stop me from saying its a bunch of bull**** though . It is what it is .

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

I love Hunter S Thompson . I've read almost every book and most of what he wrote..I'm still looking for some stuff that may be published or just some crap in archives thats may be just hangin' . The thing is I read ALL of Chomski amongst others and have managed to ACTUALLY understand where they are comming from . Dont stop me from saying its a bunch of bull**** though . It is what it is .

Agree to disagree about Chomsky .
But Hunter. . . therein lies many a golden chapter of history . His writing style just sucks you in , i love real first person writing & HST was the master . Even his 'fiction' is a one stint read ; i thought ide get bored by The rum diary but no, the same ballbuster that it leaves the shop fully read .
What's w/ the cobain thing though, Jeez , the man had a lust for life and i found no indications of depression in his final writings . What is the deal on that ? Ime still trying to find out the true circumstances , sure he had a small arsenal up there in Owl Creek , but accidents were'nt entirely his gig . Anyway this year has been a bummer for check outs.

 

[Solid Fro]

Its amazing what good photo-cropping can do, huh?

Looks like more cropping from the AP and Reuters. Nice try though. 👎

Very nice, the mother under the star and stripes, our symbol of freedom.

Now, let's change views:

BONK!

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan waits for people to show up at her book signing near President Bush's ranch on Saturday, Nov. 26, 2005 in Crawford, Texas. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

Nice pens, mother moonbat.

 

[Swift]

^^^^^^

That is exactly what I'm talking about(or thinking )

This woman THINKS she's got all this support and everyone riled up. But when it comes down to it. Most people think she's just bleh...

Thanks for the pictures Viper.

 

[ledhed]

Its a shame she's already been deserted by the leftys....thrown out like last weeks newspaper , they got their use from her now its time to use somebody else. Its sad really , she has most likely used her time in the sun to make sense for herself about her sons death . Looks like the rides over . It must suck being her .

 

[a6m5]

Its a shame she's already been deserted by the leftys....thrown out like last weeks newspaper , they got their use from her now its time to use somebody else. Its sad really , she has most likely used her time in the sun to make sense for herself about her sons death . Looks like the rides over . It must suck being her .

I can't say I feel sorry for her. Her son belived in the cause, right? Blaming his death on the President was uncalled for(and you know I don't support the Iraqi invasion!). Demanding the President to see her again was pretty foolish.

 

[Zardoz]

you do know that the second picture shows another country right?

i guess no.

to me that already does not qualify you to judge the reality that we live and why do those maninfests happen.

...South America

The pic at the bottom is from a little demonstration in Brasilia.

Last time I checked, both Argentina and Brazil were still in South America.

camon, don´t tell me you believe in everything the media tells you. please don´t say that you think that FOX´s (the network) opinions are "neutral".

first its not a war between comunism and capitalism

you don´t know what UJS means. or what it stands for. or who is part of all this.

i´ve heard people say "they think buenos aires is in Brazil" i didn´t think some would say that, (specialy the ones questioning politics) and you might had a different idea in mind when posted 2 pics of both brazil and argentina, but the idea is that we are a bunch of lunatics (UJS) that are trying to kill mr bush...

i just reply to a personal post because of the south america as a bunch of bush haters thing, no offense in personal to zardoz, just don´t bealive everything your TV shows. i´m a jornalist, i know how that works and how we (media) can sell an idea quickly...

just some random thoughts

democrats and europeans, give some support looks like there´s only bush lovers in here

Let me guess: You were very drunk when you posted this, right? Where did all of this stuff come from? Where did I say anything about Communism? How did you deduce that I believe everything (or anything) I see on television, and that I am, in fact, a "Bush lover"?

"Random", indeed...

 

[Swift]

Its a shame she's already been deserted by the leftys....thrown out like last weeks newspaper , they got their use from her now its time to use somebody else. Its sad really , she has most likely used her time in the sun to make sense for herself about her sons death . Looks like the rides over . It must suck being her .

And some people wonder why I have a problem with the way the left operates. Not that the right is perfect either. But she could've been their "Bush Killing" poster mom. And they dropped her like a bad habit. Oh well...

 

[ledhed]

I can't say I feel sorry for her. Her son belived in the cause, right? Blaming his death on the President was uncalled for(and you know I don't support the Iraqi invasion!). Demanding the President to see her again was pretty foolish.

I feel sorry for her because she is a mom who lost a son . the rest is all moose****e any way .

 

[ledhed]

Last time I checked, both Argentina and Brazil were still in South America.





Let me guess: You were very drunk when you posted this, right? Where did all of this stuff come from? Where did I say anything about Communism? How did you deduce that I believe everything (or anything) I see on television, and that I am, in fact, a "Bush lover"?

"Random", indeed...

He's a journalist ...says so himself... 👍

 

[Swift]

I feel sorry for her because she is a mom who lost a son . the rest is all moose****e any way .

Thank you! That's the point. I feel for ALL the family's that lost someone in this or any other military conflict. But to point fingers at Bush in a VOLUNTEER army just isn't cool, smart or wise in the long run.

 

[s0nny80y]

Bush says we'll be in Iraq until we're victorious.
How exactly would/should victory look like in Iraq without all the rhetoric?

In other words, define victory for American and allied forces in Iraq that would determine a pull-out.

 

[Solid Fro]

When the Iraqis stand up, we stand down.

Victory equals all military objectives have been accomplished. When the commanders in the field give the command to return home. Victory equals an Iraqi government who can sustain itself as a sovereign nation.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Victory equals an Iraqi government who can sustain itself as a sovereign nation.

Unfortantly Bush doesnt know what this means

Looks like we will be in Iraq for a while yet, until Bush understands what excatly he is suppose to accomplish.