America - The Official Thread

[Pako]

It doesn't appear to be, but that's not the item being discussed, an altercation on plane is a long way from claims that the authorities will not enter parts of the UK or Switzerland because of refugees.

Independent witnesses and a video help to support that claim, but as per you own claims around the inauguration they should also not be taken at face value.

As such what someone claims on a podcast, without any supporting evidence, ranks quite low on the credibility scale. Certainly too low to apply as a blanket to two very different countries

Had to make me find it didn't you? Glad you did. It wasn't Switzerland, but rather Sweden.
Here's the article: http://m.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/watch-filmmaker-ami-horowitz-beaten-by-15383670/

And another incident captured on camera:
(removed because GTPlanet opinion already debunked it)

 

[andrea]

President Trump in the executive orders he signed Tuesday called on the Department of Homeland Security to publish a list each week of the crimes committed by undocumented immigrants.

The order says the Homeland Security Secretary “shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens."

The aim, according to the document, is “to better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions.”

The two orders signed by Trump on Tuesday call for the construction of a wall on the United States’s southern border with Mexico, in addition to stricter immigration enforcement policies. The one order will strip federal funding of so-called “sanctuary cities.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ekly-list-of-crimes-committed-by-undocumented

 

[xyloscissor]

The one order will strip federal funding of so-called “sanctuary cities.”

@Famine, I just saw this so figured I'd tag you. I think these monies are grant monies as I can't think of any other direct Fed to City funding, I'll have to look more but in all honesty those grants are a total waste anyway. The funding should go to the states imho.

 

[McLaren]

Just a thought, but why is it okay for people to comment on and insult Trump because of his skin color (calling him a Dorito, orange and whatnot) but I don't think many people would be okay with doing that to Obama? I suspect that if people were to insult Obama because of the color of his skin they'd be called a racist.

Just a thought from reading various websites over the past couple of weeks.

Because he's a white man and if the part of the left has taught anything, you can't be racist against whites because white people have never been oppressed, esp. white men.


White people also don't actually care about their racial designations. Hell, let's be honest, "whitey" & "cracker" are about the most non-offensive sounding words. I think we get more pissed off at being called "redneck" & "yankee" (or I believe the foreigners' word for us is just "yanks").

 

[prisonermonkeys]

And another incident captured on camera:

We've covered that one before.

The film crew came from a network and a programme with a reputation for questionable ethics. They were running a story suggesting that Australia needed tougher immigration policies because (despite already having some draconian measures) we were in danger of being overrun by migrants and becoming a failure like Sweden. The film crew were in the company of a vehement anti-Muslim campaigner, and went into a majority-Muslim neighbourhood. The network in question was a major supported of the incumbent government, who were getting savaged in the opinion polls, but always managed to salvage something if they had someone to crack down upon (in the aftermath of the Sydney Siege, they appeared to inflame tensions within the community for political gain).

The bottom line is that everyone believes that everyone here believes that the whole incident was staged - that the film crew went in, provoked the attack, and then edited it to make it look like they were accosted. I have even heard a rumour that the guy who attacked them was paid to do it.

 

[Scaff]

Had to make me find it didn't you? Glad you did. It wasn't Switzerland, but rather Sweden.
Here's the article: http://m.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/watch-filmmaker-ami-horowitz-beaten-by-15383670/

And another incident captured on camera:

The piece quite clearly says the police were present, so it's again not a no-go area for the police or authorities.

Yes that incident is disturbing, but again to make a leap to it being the norm or representative is a rather large one.

Are the issues that Top Gear faced in the USA representative of the white south? Or the issues they faced in Argentina representative of everyone from South American countries?

Personally I don't think so, yet that's how some areas of the media (Fox and Breitbart in particular) are attempting to paint Europe. Now while despite having travelled extensively through Europe I would not want to speak in terms of first hand experience on that, I can do so with regard to the UK.

I know of areas and estates in the UK I would worry about walking alone in, almost without exception the are not refugee or mainly recent immigrant areas. However the are predominantly areas of social deprecation, a factor that is often ignored as it's a fair harder subject to resolve politically, blaming 'others' is a far easier thing to do. The concerning issue is what happens when targeting them doesn't solve the problems, who becomes the next target.

Just to note that the area of the UK with the highest levels of crime is also one of the ones with the lowest levels of immigration, and us (if I recall as this is from memory) less than 1% Muslim (because in terms of refugees that's what we are talking about).

Now in the UK refugees are statistical less likely to commit crime and more likely to be the victim of crime.

I have no issue with anyone who breaks the law being dealt with according to the law; I do however have a big issue with the actions of the very few being used to target the majority. That is however what I see being done with increasing regularity across the globe.

On a totally unrelated note I did have a chuckle at a rather ironic moment on BBC radio today. In which a number of ladies from California who support Trump were interviewed, the interview was nothing interesting, what was however ironic was that they were singing Woodie Guthrie's 'This Land'.

 

[CodeRedR51]

The NWS arm here in Phoenix just posted on facebook a link to their Global Warming FAQ on their website. Let's see how long it sticks around. I find it hilarious that they posted it, and I hope this "defying the order" stuff keeps up.

This post was removed as I expected. But I saved a screen capture for the hell of it.

 

[Pako]

@Scaff

Look, I found the article I was stating earlier and you guys are focusing on another video I happened upon while I was finding the story I was referencing before. I'm glad you guys are quick to defunk the CBS "staged" video, but did you read the article I posted referencing the interview of the film maker that was on the Hannity show?

Since I did post the CBS video as well, was the 58 No-Go zones defunked as well in your previous discussions?

 

[Joey D]

People that are protesting against laws banning illegal immigrants make me shake my head. I agree immigration could use reforming to make it easier for the economy to rely on migrant workers, but trying to protect the "rights" of someone that isn't even here legally makes question why. Telling someone they aren't allowed in the country isn't violating any rights, nor is deporting them back to the country them came from. Same goes for the immigration ban from the 7 countries.

Link: http://gothamist.com/2017/01/25/immigrant_muslim_rally.php

I found this bit interesting:

...and is expected to issue another barring refugees from Middle Eastern countries, most of which have been bombed by the U.S.

If Obama hadn't bombed...errr rained freedom then this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[andrea]

Wow.

 

[Liquid]

When was the Iranian coup d'etat? 1953? It should be more like "Thanks, every President since Truman."

 

[xyloscissor]

trying to protect the "rights" of someone that isn't even here legally makes question why

I think I'm getting somewhere with this, once I started thinking about why Trump would threaten to take away funding. The funding is used for social services such as HUD etc. By not asking applicants their status more money is approved for the program. I'm beginning to think these Mayors don't care about protecting illegal aliens nearly as much as protecting their programs.

 

[xyloscissor]

Wow.

You should consider starting a "post your trump tweets here" thread 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

When was the Iranian coup d'etat? 1953? It should be more like "Thanks, every President since Truman."

Which one, the one the U.S. sponsored (which is the one I think you're talking about) or the one that U.S. cried over?

 

[Joey D]

@andrea, honest question here, are you just going to be our Twitter feed? That tweet you just posted doesn't really demonstrate anything and is pure anecdotal whether for or against Trump's claim.

When was the Iranian coup d'etat? 1953? It should be more like "Thanks, every President since Truman."

True enough, but the current group of refugees that supposedly lost their homes due to US action was as a result of Obama's global conflicts. Although saying all (or at least many) refugees are the result of US action (which seems like that article is suggesting) isn't fair at all. I'm guessing many of those people lost their home as a direct result of ISIS.

I think I'm getting somewhere with this, once I started thinking about why Trump would threaten to take away funding. The funding is used for social services such as HUD etc. By not asking applicants their status more money is approved for the program. I'm beginning to think these Mayors don't care about protecting illegal aliens nearly as much as protecting their programs.

Of course, if their funding is taken away, people get upset and don't vote for them and they are out of a job. I really don't think most people in politics care too much about illegal aliens in the US because they don't really offer them anything in return...unless of course you believe there are illegal aliens voting.

 

[ryzno]

You should consider starting a "post your trump tweets here" thread 👍

But wait, there's more!!

 

[xyloscissor]

One thing is for sure, there is no way we should be giving illegals welfare.

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[Johnnypenso]

We've covered that one before.

The film crew came from a network and a programme with a reputation for questionable ethics. They were running a story suggesting that Australia needed tougher immigration policies because (despite already having some draconian measures) we were in danger of being overrun by migrants and becoming a failure like Sweden. The film crew were in the company of a vehement anti-Muslim campaigner, and went into a majority-Muslim neighbourhood. The network in question was a major supported of the incumbent government, who were getting savaged in the opinion polls, but always managed to salvage something if they had someone to crack down upon (in the aftermath of the Sydney Siege, they appeared to inflame tensions within the community for political gain).

The bottom line is that everyone believes that everyone here believes that the whole incident was staged - that the film crew went in, provoked the attack, and then edited it to make it look like they were accosted. I have even heard a rumour that the guy who attacked them was paid to do it.

Oh well, if you heard a rumour that someone was paid to do it, it must be true. Speak for yourself. I saw no evidence presented that the attack was staged or justified in any way. All I saw was conjecture and fairy tales from you that it was staged.

 

[Eh Team]

I get that the truck post is a joke and it's only 5 days in but it sure doesn't look like he's planning on using Congress for much at this point. Seems like he's going to Executive order the country into the shape he wants it.

 

[huskeR32]

One thing that is funny to me in calling him a dictator, these executive orders are basically trivial in comparison to the way Obama used that power to sidestep The Congress.

Number of executive orders issued by Reagan: 381
George H.W. Bush: 166 (332 if he had served two terms and kept the same pace)
George W. Bush: 291
Barack Obama: 275
Trump: 12 (on pace for a staggering 2,000+)

Obama issued fewer orders than any of the last three GOP presidents (fewer than Clinton too) while facing an unbelievably obstructionist Congress.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

True enough, but the current group of refugees that supposedly lost their homes due to US action was as a result of Obama's global conflicts.

You can blame Bush in equal measure. ISIS might only have emerged after the Iraq War, but you can bet that the hatred was fermenting during the conflict.

 

[ryzno]

I get that the truck post is a joke and it's only 5 days in but it sure doesn't look like he's planning on using Congress for much at this point. Seems like he's going to Executive order the country into the shape he wants it.

But a number of them have only undone Obama Executive orders no?

 

[xyloscissor]

Obama issued fewer orders than any of the last three GOP presidents

Who said anything about numbers or other presidents? I said so far Trumps orders are mild in comparison to some of Obama's.

 

[huskeR32]

Who said anything about numbers or other presidents? I said so far Trumps orders are mild in comparison to some of Obama's.

Mind sharing which metric you're using to determine the "mildness" of executive orders?

 

[Joey D]

I wouldn't be overly alarmed at the number of executive orders just yet, while Obama did significantly less throughout his 8 years, I do believe the first couple of weeks in office he issued a handful of them. However, if Trump starts using this as his only means to pass laws then I think there's an issue and a mighty big one. I don't think Congress will allow that though since it will make them look lame and will cost the Congressmen votes and lobbyist dollars.

 

[xyloscissor]

Mind sharing which metric you're using to determine the "mildness" of executive orders?

How about just real quick how silly it is to complain of Trump making them on immigration, compare what he has done to what Obama did right here.

https://www.uscis.gov/immigrationaction

I'll give you a whopper though, healthcare. As for how it is measured? Well maybe we should look at the troubles Obama has had with The Supreme Court.

 

[McLaren]

But wait, there's more!!
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Ugh, clearly photoshopped.



I believe it's the Mustang that was banned.

 

[Eh Team]

But a number of them have only undone Obama Executive orders no?

I look at it as they're executive orders that he has issued. Whether or not they undo things Obama did doesn't really matter to me, they're racking up pretty quick and some aren't exactly good things to be doing. I.E. No one talks about abortion that gets money from us even if the person in question is a rape victim, or our scientists are not allowed to talk about findings on the internet, only publish them.

 

[xyloscissor]

No one talks about abortion that gets money from us even if the person in question is a rape victim

That order has been off and on again many times over the years since Reagan signed it. Always on party lines, I think there was a period when it was in effect during Obama's term though, The Congress by-passed him. So you see, we do have a balance of power.

 

[Joey D]

I believe it's the Mustang that was banned.

I look at it as they're executive orders that he has issued. Whether or not they undo things Obama did doesn't really matter to me, they're racking up pretty quick and some aren't exactly good things to be doing. I.E. No one talks about abortion that gets money from us even if the person in question is a rape victim, or our scientists are not allowed to talk about findings on the internet, only publish them.

Defunding of International Planned Parenthood is, at least as far as I understand it, a bit of a ping pong game between Democrats and Republicans. George Bush the younger enacted it, Obama repealed it, Trump enacted it, and when the next president is probably a Democrat, they'll repeal it.

No one bothers to ask the question why we are even funding it in the first place though.