America - The Official Thread

[mister dog]

Oh look, lefties and antifa's are at it again in Berkeley:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/...berkeley-milo-show-police-helicopters-appear/

 

[Carbonox]

Oh look, lefties and antifa's are at it again in Berkeley:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/...berkeley-milo-show-police-helicopters-appear/

Is this the righteous type of violence?

 

[Scaff]

Oh look, lefties and antifa's are at it again in Berkeley:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/...berkeley-milo-show-police-helicopters-appear/

Is this the righteous type of violence?

Nope, just violence and I'm happy to condemn it.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Because the far right would never send their own people to incite violence at the protest as a means of discrediting the left. I mean, it was just coincidence that Milo Yiannopolis had a camera rolling and a speech prepared condemning the evils of the political left as hating free speech and democracy, all ready to go the moment the protest turned violent.

 

[mister dog]

Because the far right would never send their own people to incite violence at the protest as a means of discrediting the left. I mean, it was just coincidence that Milo Yiannopolis had a camera rolling and a speech prepared condemning the evils of the political left as hating free speech and democracy, all ready to go the moment the protest turned violent.

 

[Carbonox]

When you need someone to divert attention away from certain kinds of news, you can count on PM.

 

[PeterJB]

Hmm.

 

[DK]

Puppetmaster Bannon strikes again.

 

[Scaff]

Not confirmed, but Reuters are reporting that the Trump administration wants to change the Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) programme's focus to solely targeting that of Islam. With a potential name change to either "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-extremists-program-exclusiv-idUSKBN15G5VO

If correct I wasn't aware that the administration had managed to defeat right-wing extremism in the US already? Which would be the only reason I can think of to remove the focus from it completely.

On another note, US - Australian relations seem to be headed downhill.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-38837263

 

[mister dog]

@prisonermonkeys I guess the camera's also provoked this right:



Vicious right wing extremists were looking for it!

 

[Dotini]

Only a leftie could could find a way to assault a woman and feel smug and righteous about it. No wonder these clowns lost the election. They're swiftly reducing themselves from a national party down to a regional one, and seriously need to find a way out of their descent into madness and depravity if they're ever again to play a role at the national level. What a pack of morons and thugs. Their ideology has lead them by the nose into the cul-de-sac of self destruction.

 

[Scaff]

Only a leftie could could find a way to assault a woman and feel smug and righteous about it. No wonder these clowns lost the election. They're swiftly reducing themselves from a national party down to a regional one, and seriously need to find a way out of their descent into madness and depravity if they're ever again to play a role at the national level. What a pack of morons and thugs. Their ideology has lead them by the nose into the cul-de-sac of self destruction.

Only a leftie?

Seriously.

You honestly believe that to be true, that no-one right of centre is capable of the same? Or that a small band of idiots represent an entire political party?

 

[mister dog]

OMG the evil fascist will close down universities now! /s

 

[Dotini]

Only a leftie?

Seriously.

You honestly believe that to be true, that no-one right of centre is capable of the same? Or that a small band of idiots represent an entire political party?

I'm of the assumption that those on the right have a trace of chivalry left in them, i.e., they have a moral duty to protect women and children. Chivalry is dead and non-existent on the left.

Your "small band of idiots", protected by their leadership and fellow-traveling media on the left is taking down a formerly respectable political party to an early grave.

I DO NOT want to concede national politics to one party, the generally corrupt and regressive Republicans. Someone needs to save the Democrats from themselves, and it looks like a job for Superman.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Because the far right would never send their own people to incite violence at the protest as a means of discrediting the left. I mean, it was just coincidence that Milo Yiannopolis had a camera rolling and a speech prepared condemning the evils of the political left as hating free speech and democracy, all ready to go the moment the protest turned violent.

Why are you making this right or left? A well renowned college, one known for it's great Law School ironically, is front and center of a 🤬 storm, and you want to insight more division? I mean as someone who is said to be an educator I find it a bit strange you're not at all upset that these people who are suppose to be learning and acting with civil disobedience, instead quickly digress to outright anarchy.

What's more annoying is this is how older type perceive people at universities in their 20s. Which I happen to be, I can easily understand why people don't like him, and I can understand wanting to reject that, but doing so with intellectual discourse is the only way. Unless said speaker planned to carpet bomb the audience I see no reason why it was turned into a mini battle zone.

Also when did you get paid to make a scene into a political point, obviously he was ready for it to blow up and be proven to some degree right for him to parade about with. Does that mean we should point fingers, and I'm not saying this just to you I don't agree with @mister dog either.

 

[Eh Team]

Only a leftie could could find a way to assault a woman and feel smug and righteous about it. No wonder these clowns lost the election. They're swiftly reducing themselves from a national party down to a regional one, and seriously need to find a way out of their descent into madness and depravity if they're ever again to play a role at the national level. What a pack of morons and thugs. Their ideology has lead them by the nose into the cul-de-sac of self destruction.

I wouldn't quite put it all down to themselves, politicians and media in the last 3-4 decades have really turned the two party system into an 'us v. them' situation and it's beginning to get very close to the boiling point. Yes all the righteous 'I deserve blah blah blah...' doesn't do any favours but consider the things the sitting president had done previous to his campaign.

He sat on TV and fired people, he started a fraudulent university that played on people's feelings to pay more money, started and failed a line of steaks, purchased an airline and subsequently ran it into the ground, attempted a vodka brand in his own name, tried his hand at mortgages and that died in a year and a half among many other failures. For a man who trumpets about his successes so much there is a giant unplayed tuba of failures that takes virtually no time to find on the internet. Yes the apprentice was reasonably successful but I could never stand more than 5 seconds of it because it just plays to his enormous ego.

Combine this man with 30-40 years of adversarial media and politics that people have begun to really believe and this is exactly what you get. If the democratic candidate had been Bernie Sanders x2 and been elected I'm sure the republican followers would be showing similar signs of unrest.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I wouldn't quite put it all down to themselves, politicians and media in the last 3-4 decades have really turned the two party system into an 'us v. them' situation and it's beginning to get very close to the boiling point. Yes all the righteous 'I deserve blah blah blah...' doesn't do any favours but consider the things the sitting president had done previous to his campaign.

He sat on TV and fired people, he started a fraudulent university that played on people's feelings to pay more money, started and failed a line of steaks, purchased an airline and subsequently ran it into the ground, attempted a vodka brand in his own name, tried his hand at mortgages and that died in a year and a half among many other failures. For a man who trumpets about his successes so much there is a giant unplayed tuba of failures that takes virtually no time to find on the internet. Yes the apprentice was reasonably successful but I could never stand more than 5 seconds of it because it just plays to his enormous ego.

Combine this man with 30-40 years of adversarial media and politics that people have begun to really believe and this is exactly what you get. If the democratic candidate had been Bernie Sanders x2 and been elected I'm sure the republican followers would be showing similar signs of unrest.

I agree with most of what you've said, but I highly doubt unrest would be had if it was Sanders. Had it been Clinton then I think the shoe would be on the other foot as far as all this goes, or some degree of it.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'm of the assumption that those on the right have a trace of chivalry left in them, i.e., they have a moral duty to protect women and children. Chivalry is dead and non-existent on the left.

Surely Chivalry had died out before America was even a twinkle in the milkman's eye? Besides, there's no mention of women/children in the chivalric code, just lots of bumpf about protecting the Church.

 

[Eh Team]

I agree with most of what you've said, but I highly doubt unrest would be had if it was Sanders. Had it been Clinton then I think the shoe would be on the other foot as far as all this goes, or some degree of it.

Well I did say Bernie but a whole other level of Bernie, so like all of his campaign promises plus cutting military budget in half or something like that. I think if Clinton had become prez that after about 2 months the democratic side would have begun to shift to the disliking of her. I'm still not sure who is worse for the world at large between Hillary and Donald but I guess we have to find out the Donald side first.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well I did say Bernie but a whole other level of Bernie, so like all of his campaign promises plus cutting military budget in half or something like that. I think if Clinton had become prez that after about 2 months the democratic side would have begun to shift to the disliking of her. I'm still not sure who is worse for the world at large between Hillary and Donald but I guess we have to find out the Donald side first.

Yes but that would come with time, unlike Trump, Bernie is a politician and has been for some time, thus it stands to reason he'd move like one to. Also, keep in mind that even if Bernie say did win or Hillary, there is still the idea of a fully republican majority in the legislative branch, thus make it hard for a Democrat to do some of the stuff you suggested hypothetically.

 

[Eh Team]

Yes but that would come with time, unlike Trump, Bernie is a politician and has been for some time, thus it stands to reason he'd move like one to. Also, keep in mind that even if Bernie say did win or Hillary, there is still the idea of a fully republican majority in the legislative branch, thus make it hard for a Democrat to do some of the stuff you suggested hypothetically.

True, however if Bernie had been the candidate the legislative branches would probably look very different than they do apart from the states that are pretty much guaranteed rep/dem. If Hillary had won I do agree the branches would have likely been virtually stacked against her accomplishing anything.

 

[xyloscissor]

I guess we have to find out the Donald side first.

We've seen Hillary in action already as The Secretary of State, that went well didn't it?

 

[Dotini]

Surely Chivalry had died out before America was even a twinkle in the milkman's eye? Besides, there's no mention of women/children in the chivalric code, just lots of bumpf about protecting the Church.

Chivalry is an interesting subject that goes back to the (bygone) medieval era, knighthood, and the vows taken by knights. It has largely disappeared from the modern world, true. But it does have its points of interest and eternal truths.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Because the far right would never send their own people to incite violence at the protest as a means of discrediting the left. I mean, it was just coincidence that Milo Yiannopolis had a camera rolling and a speech prepared condemning the evils of the political left as hating free speech and democracy, all ready to go the moment the protest turned violent.

Yes, so unusual in 2017 to have a camera rolling at all times. That never happens!! Next thing you know, they're are going to have the darn things inside phones and stuff.

 

[Scaff]

I'm of the assumption that those on the right have a trace of chivalry left in them, i.e., they have a moral duty to protect women and children.

That would be the same 'right' that defended handcuffing a 5 year old child as a security risk in an airport then?

Your assumption is based on a flawed generalization that I'm quite frankly amazed you would even attempt to put forward. How many examples of the right across the globe not protecting women and children would you like?

Chivalry is dead and non-existent on the left.

Is it now, how do you make that assumption? Do you know the actions of everyone who is left of centre in this regard?

Please do tell me what actions (or lack of) I have carried out to allow you to reach that assumption about me and the majority of my family?

How people behave in regard to 'chivalry' has nothing at all to do with left or right, people on both sides of the political divide are capable of moral behavior, and people on both sides are capable of the opposite.

Your "small band of idiots", protected by their leadership and fellow-traveling media on the left is taking down a formerly respectable political party to an early grave.

You will have no problem providing a source for a member of the Democratic party leadership publicly supporting rioting then.

I DO NOT want to concede national politics to one party, the generally corrupt and regressive Republicans. Someone needs to save the Democrats from themselves, and it looks like a job for Superman.

That well may be the case, but its a leap to imply that the Democrats have an active hand in making this riot occur.


This however is the potential start of something very concerning:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...freedom-separation-church-state-a7559421.html

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

True, however if Bernie had been the candidate the legislative branches would probably look very different than they do apart from the states that are pretty much guaranteed rep/dem. If Hillary had won I do agree the branches would have likely been virtually stacked against her accomplishing anything.

I don't see how, the reason states turned had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the supposed democrats in support of Hillary, and being as corrupt as her. Among supposed other things. If Bernie had won in light of all the negative stuff the DNC had done, the issues surrounding those who favored a Hillary Campaign would still have been on the voters minds. Bernie was damned both ways before a fight was allowed to him.

 

[Eh Team]

I don't see how, the reason states turned had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the supposed democrats in support of Hillary, and being as corrupt as her. Among supposed other things. If Bernie had won in light of all the negative stuff the DNC had done, the issues surrounding those who favored a Hillary Campaign would still have been on the voters minds. Bernie was damned both ways before a fight was allowed to him.

The reason I think about it like that is because of the large number of Hillary is corrupt and terrible and I will spite her voters. I found Bernie to be much more palatable and he probably would have gained a good chunk of those back simply because Hillary wouldn't have been the candidate. That is of course all just a what if game because as you said a fight was not afforded to him either way. Hopefully the Dems come up with someone who isn't a complete oaf at the end of term election, someone a bit younger might do them quite well too.

 

[doblocruiser]

A poll posted by Reuters / Ipsos

http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=16379

TM1140Y17 - Do you agree or disagree with the Executive Order that President Trump signed blocking refugees and banning people from seven Muslim majority countries from entering the U.S.? TOTAL AGREE 48% TOTAL DISAGREE 41%

There seems to be a majority for the ban according to this poll.

 

[Eh Team]

A poll posted by Reuters / Ipsos

http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=16379



There seems to be a majority for the ban according to this poll.

I'm pretty good at math but there are still some concepts that befuddle me. So could you please explain how 48% constitutes a majority?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The reason I think about it like that is because of the large number of Hillary is corrupt and terrible and I will spite her voters. I found Bernie to be much more palatable and he probably would have gained a good chunk of those back simply because Hillary wouldn't have been the candidate. That is of course all just a what if game because as you said a fight was not afforded to him either way. Hopefully the Dems come up with someone who isn't a complete oaf at the end of term election, someone a bit younger might do them quite well too.

I mean there were many things that Bernie said that were questionable to how they could possibly be achieved but compared to the other two yes, I think he was the far more sane choice. I doubt the dems will change just like the Republicans didn't really change after losing to Obama twice, so after Trump is gone it will be much of the same.