America - The Official Thread

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fatkrakr
You probably shouldnt be trying to "interpret" it and just go by what he said. I know novel idea, but its worked in the past.
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Yeah, no.

See, he's a human. Humans do things for reasons. Nobody takes anything that anyone else does totally at face value, and the President of the United States of America should expect even less leeway. One sentence from him can cause significant worldwide impact.

And so instead of simply saying "wow, he's right", most people will think "why would he say something so ridiculously obvious?"

Apparently you seem to think that we should not use our brains and simply swallow whatever the POTUS chooses to say. I'm sorry to tell you that it doesn't work that way, it's never worked that way, and it's not going to work that way in the future.

The way I see it he is saying how the media jumps all over how his presidency is gonna cost the American economy billions if not trillions of dollars yet the debt is down 12 billion since he became president and all you get from the media is crickets. While at the same time his predecessor ( who hes compared to by the media) had a rise of 200 billion by now.
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I'm sorry, did you just interpret what he was saying?

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Next time, try practising what you preach.
 
Imari
Yeah, no.

See, he's a human. Humans do things for reasons. Nobody takes anything that anyone else does totally at face value, and the President of the United States of America should expect even less leeway. One sentence from him can cause significant worldwide impact.

And so instead of simply saying "wow, he's right", most people will think "why would he say something so ridiculously obvious?"

Apparently you seem to think that we should not use our brains and simply swallow whatever the POTUS chooses to say. I'm sorry to tell you that it doesn't work that way, it's never worked that way, and it's not going to work that way in the future.



I'm sorry, did you just interpret what he was saying?

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Next time, try practising what you preach.
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As I have already explained and you have choose to ignore, I only used words that he actually said in my conclusion. You on the other hand are putting words in his mouth as to twist his comment to suit your agenda.

Imari
Apparently you seem to think that we should not use our brains and simply swallow whatever the POTUS chooses to say.
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No just expect you to be honest about what was said and not add words to someones statement.
 
TenEightyOne
But you didn't, the two don't compare word-for-word. You interpreted what he said. You made that clear when you said "how I read it is...". No interpretation required for that.
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Where did I say no one should? Oh I didnt, again with putting words in someones mouth, I said he shouldnt be interpreting things if he is going to make up half of what was said.
 
fatkrakr
As I have already explained and you have choose to ignore, I only used words that he actually said in my conclusion. You on the other hand are putting words in his mouth as to twist his comment to suit your agenda.
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Yeah, no.

He said:

The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 25, 2017
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You interpreted that with the following:

fatkrakr
The way I see it he is saying how the media jumps all over how his presidency is gonna cost the American economy billions if not trillions of dollars yet the debt is down 12 billion since he became president and all you get from the media is crickets. While at the same time his predecessor ( who hes compared to by the media) had a rise of 200 billion by now.
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I don't see anything in there about how his presidency is going to cost the economy billions or trillions of dollars. And no, you don't get crickets from the media, they're busy reporting on many things and obviously* they deemed other things more important than a 0.06% decrease in the national debt. All he said was that they haven't reported on it, which is a simple statement of fact not an implication of absolute silence which is what "crickets" means when used metaphorically as you have.

I mean, beside the fact that you used the phrase "the way I see it..." which is what someone says before they espouse their interpretation.

Would you like to explain further how you have not interpreted his short and simple tweet by turning it into a paragraph that contains significantly more information and assumptions? Or do you just want to sit down, shut up and eat your crow?

No just expect you to be honest about what was said and not add words to someones statement.
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I didn't. You've been accusing me of putting words in his mouth from the start and I never have. I inferred what he was thinking when he posted it, and I thought I was quite clear about doing so. Apparently reading comprehension is also something you have difficulty with. I made speculation as to his reasons for posting what he did.

Is this a crime? May I not speculate on why a president would brag about an inconsequential decrease in the national debt that was almost certainly not due to him versus a $200 billion increase in debt that was definitely not due to his predecessor (it was in fact his pre-predecessor, a charming Republican chappie by the name of George).

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fatkrakr
Where did I say noone should? Oh I didnt, again with putting words in someones mouth, I said he shouldnt be interpreting things if he is going to make up half of what was said.
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Ah, so now you're writing it off as making things up. I thought I was fairly clear about what parts were speculation. Obviously, I am not Donald Trump, nor am I a mind-reader. If I'm making suggestions as to why someone made a decision, that should be taken as speculation and I think most people wouldn't need that pointed out to them.

But just for you: ANYTHING THAT I MAY WRITE REGARDING DONALD TRUMPS MOTIVATIONS, THOUGHTS, REASONING OR OTHER INTANGIBLE GIBLETS IS ENTIRELY SPECULATION. AT NO POINT DO I CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR OR ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP, WHOSE WRITINGS AND SPEECH ARE ENTIRELY HIS OWN AND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH ME IN ANY MANNER.

*I suppose I should append that this is also speculation, what with me not being a reporter or a mind-reader also. Normally I wouldn't bother to spell it out, but you seem to need it. Yeesh.
 
Imari
Yeah, no.

He said:



You interpreted that with the following:



I don't see anything in there about how his presidency is going to cost the economy billions or trillions of dollars. And no, you don't get crickets from the media, they're busy reporting on many things and obviously* they deemed other things more important than a 0.06% decrease in the national debt. All he said was that they haven't reported on it, which is a simple statement of fact not an implication of absolute silence which is what "crickets" means when used metaphorically as you have.

I mean, beside the fact that you used the phrase "the way I see it..." which is what someone says before they espouse their interpretation.

Would you like to explain further how you have not interpreted his short and simple tweet by turning it into a paragraph that contains significantly more information and assumptions? Or do you just want to sit down, shut up and eat your crow?



I didn't. You've been accusing me of putting words in his mouth from the start and I never have. I inferred what he was thinking when he posted it, and I thought I was quite clear about doing so. Apparently reading comprehension is also something you have difficulty with. I made speculation as to his reasons for posting what he did.

Is this a crime? May I not speculate on why a president would brag about an inconsequential decrease in the national debt that was almost certainly not due to him versus a $200 billion increase in debt that was definitely not due to his predecessor (it was in fact his pre-predecessor, a charming Republican chappie by the name of George).

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Ah, so now you're writing it off as making things up. I thought I was fairly clear about what parts were speculation. Obviously, I am not Donald Trump, nor am I a mind-reader. If I'm making suggestions as to why someone made a decision, that should be taken as speculation and I think most people wouldn't need that pointed out to them.

But just for you: ANYTHING THAT I MAY WRITE REGARDING DONALD TRUMPS MOTIVATIONS, THOUGHTS, REASONING OR OTHER INTANGIBLE GIBLETS IS ENTIRELY SPECULATION. AT NO POINT DO I CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR OR ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP, WHOSE WRITINGS AND SPEECH ARE ENTIRELY HIS OWN AND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH ME IN ANY MANNER.

*I suppose I should append that this is also speculation, what with me not being a reporter or a mind-reader also. Normally I wouldn't bother to spell it out, but you seem to need it. Yeesh.
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:rolleyes:
 
prisonermonkeys
Trump wants to sink another $54 billion into defence spending, while at the same time cutting the budgets of other government agencies, foreign aid and clean energy projects:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...toric-increase-in-us-defense-spending/8309134
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I bet NASA is on that list too. I can think of some better things to use that money on, like roads I drive on every day that could use some repair, or I-10 between here and Phoenix that needs to be 3-lanes in each direction. (ADOT wants to do it but they don't have the money...)
 
R1600Turbo
I bet NASA is on that list too. I can think of some better things to use that money on, like roads I drive on every day that could use some repair, or I-10 between here and Phoenix that needs to be 3-lanes in each direction. (ADOT wants to do it but they don't have the money...)
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He did say something about dumping money into infrastructure and called out potholes in particular.
 
How about we take money from those departments and instead of needlessly investing it in the military, we give people a tax refund. I strongly oppose any kind of military build up and we already spend way too much as it is, not to mention there's so much fat in the military that the only people that are going to benefit from this are defense contractors...guess I better switch my investments around.

Plus, who in their right mind would want to join the military when your Commander-in-chief is irrational, unstable, and ignores military intelligence? All you're going to do is get shipped oversea to fight in a causeless war or a willy waving contest. The military is already facing recruitment challenges, I can't see it getting any better either.
 
Joey D
Plus, who in their right mind would want to join the military when your Commander-in-chief is irrational, unstable, and ignores military intelligence? All you're going to do is get shipped oversea to fight in a causeless war or a willy waving contest.
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... also better make sure you don't get captured. POTUS only likes members of the military who aren't captured.
 
It was rather surreal to hear George Bush's comments on the media, about how important the press is and the like.

It really says something when he is the sensible sounding one. During his presidency he was deeply unpopular with many people in that binary way a lot of people are yet I don't recall him blowing hot air about "fake news" or criticising the media's portrayal of him anywhere near as much as Trump has been doing, if Bush even did that at all. He was too busy making more innocent verbal gaffes.

This was during an interview where George Bush was promoting his portfolio of paintings of veterans. You can say what you want about him having blood on his hands and him finding it hypocritically cathartic to paint pictures of the veterans he sent out to war, and there's some truth in that perhaps, but he does come across as a much more well-intentioned and nicer person than Trump. Now with hindsight it looks like he was even that during his presidency.

Saying you miss George Bush is a bit odd if you remember him from that time but I don't think it's contradictory to miss the way Bush conducted himself even though you disliked his politics and policies.
 
Liquid
It was rather surreal to hear George Bush's comments on the media, about how important the press is and the like.

It really says something when he is the sensible sounding one. During his presidency he was deeply unpopular with many people in that binary way a lot of people are yet I don't recall him blowing hot air about "fake news" or criticising the media's portrayal of him anywhere near as much as Trump has been doing, if Bush even did that at all. He was too busy making more innocent verbal gaffes.

This was during an interview where George Bush was promoting his portfolio of paintings of veterans. You can say what you want about him having blood on his hands and him finding it hypocritically cathartic to paint pictures of the veterans he sent out to war, and there's some truth in that perhaps, but he does come across as a much more well-intentioned and nicer person than Trump. Now with hindsight it looks like he was even that during his presidency.

Saying you miss George Bush is a bit odd if you remember him from that time but I don't think it's contradictory to miss the way Bush conducted himself even though you disliked his politics and policies.
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It's quite simple really. Trump is a terrible person - this was abundantly clear from his words & actions before he became President, in fact, before he identified himself as a political figure at all. George W. Bush may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer & I may not have agreed with his policies - most particularly with regard to the Iraq war - but I never thought he was a terrible person. Nixon wasn't a nice person, but he had the intelligence to keep his nastiness (mostly) in private. We are in uncharted territory with Trump.
 
Liquid
It was rather surreal to hear George Bush's comments on the media, about how important the press is and the like.

It really says something when he is the sensible sounding one. During his presidency he was deeply unpopular with many people in that binary way a lot of people are yet I don't recall him blowing hot air about "fake news" or criticising the media's portrayal of him anywhere near as much as Trump has been doing, if Bush even did that at all. He was too busy making more innocent verbal gaffes.

This was during an interview where George Bush was promoting his portfolio of paintings of veterans. You can say what you want about him having blood on his hands and him finding it hypocritically cathartic to paint pictures of the veterans he sent out to war, and there's some truth in that perhaps, but he does come across as a much more well-intentioned and nicer person than Trump. Now with hindsight it looks like he was even that during his presidency.

Saying you miss George Bush is a bit odd if you remember him from that time but I don't think it's contradictory to miss the way Bush conducted himself even though you disliked his politics and policies.
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Since we're reflecting on Bush Jr... I think that the worst you can say about his presidency was that he wasn't enough of a mastermind, despite many people thinking he was secretly an evil genius. He was more of a figurehead, in the way Clinton was before him, and sat by while things happened around him. So we had a bubble burst and 9/11. I don't blame him for either of those things actually, and I think he had a calm, serious approach in the immediate aftermath of both, which I appreciated. Ultimately the bubble response was bad (under Obama) and the 9/11 response got pretty weird (under Bush) and ultimately ended up falling flat.

If I'm levying a complaint on Bush Jr., or Clinton before him, it's that they were too interested in the status quo. But that reflected the views of the American people at the time.
 
Danoff
Since we're reflecting on Bush Jr... I think that the worst you can say about his presidency was that he wasn't enough of a mastermind, despite many people thinking he was secretly an evil genius. He was more of a figurehead, in the way Clinton was before him, and sat by while things happened around him. So we had a bubble burst and 9/11. I don't blame him for either of those things actually, and I think he had a calm, serious approach in the immediate aftermath of both, which I appreciated. Ultimately the bubble response was bad (under Obama) and the 9/11 response got pretty weird (under Bush) and ultimately ended up falling flat.
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I wasn't aware that anyone regarded W as an "evil genius". He did preside over the worst US foreign policy decision since Vietnam, but he was never considered the "mastermind" behind that decision, even though he claimed to be the "Decider" (LOL).

Clinton had the good fortune to preside over what most likely will turn out to be the apex of US power & prosperity in the world. The collapse of the Soviet empire led to a "peace dividend" for the US, there was an explosion in tech innovation which was led by the US, China hadn't yet taken over the role of manufacturing center for the world & Islamic extremism was only a blip on the radar. Good times ...
 
This evening the news seems to favour the fact that Trump allegedly ate a $50 steak with ketchup. Even my kids know they'd have to leave the table if they tried that one.
 
Great speech by Trump last night IMO. In control, on message and on point all (almost) the way through. Threw out an important olive branch on working up a comprimise on immigration, hopefully some form of amnesty for non-criminal illegals. Even mentioned our very own wonder boy, Justin. Inspiring, can-do speech about getting things done and celebrating American heros. 👍👍
 
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Johnnypenso
Great speech by Trump last night IMO. In control, on message and on point all the way through. Threw out an important olive branch on working up a comprimise on immigration, hopefully some form of amnesty for non-criminal illegals. Inspiring, can-do speech about getting things done and celebrating American heros. 👍👍
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Unless he can find a way to work with the Republican-controlled congress (his biggest advantage), he's unlikely to make the people happy and be reelected.
 

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