America - The Official Thread

[Johnnypenso]

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[TenEightyOne]

Great speech by Trump last night IMO. In control, on message and on point all (almost) the way through. Threw out an important olive branch on working up a comprimise on immigration, hopefully some form of amnesty for non-criminal illegals. Even mentioned our very own wonder boy, Justin. Inspiring, can-do speech about getting things done and celebrating American heros. 👍👍

It was the most professional speaking I've seen him undertake. I might not have liked all the content but at least he actually sounds like he might have an actual plan. It's a great plan. Wonderful plan.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It was the most professional speaking I've seen him undertake. I might not have liked all the content but at least he actually sounds like he might have an actual plan. It's a great plan. Wonderful plan.

The plan is beautiful, believe me

 

[Joel]

Most chilling thing was when he brought up the SEAL killed in a stupid raid he approved, and the media lapped it up. In the very same speech he told lie after lie and announced he wants to open an office to publicize immigrant crime.

Amazing how easy it is to win over spineless DC media hacks. I guess it's not surprising when they all fellated Obama for being a good speaker while bombing 7 countries and are now rehabilitating the image of a war criminal responsible for decades of war in Iraq. I just figured Trump would need to do more than just manage to read from a teleprompter and avoid filling his diaper on live TV once.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Most chilling thing was when he brought up the SEAL killed in a stupid raid he approved.

Amazing how easy it is to win over spineless DC media hacks. I guess it's not surprising when they all fellated Obama for being a good speaker while bombing 7 countries. I just figured Trump would need to do more than read from a teleprompter and avoid filling his diaper on live TV once.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I know right? I mean, what risk could there possibly be in a military mission? Supposed to be just like Call of Duty isn't it? You just set the difficulty to easy and mow down guys like mannequins right?

Oops...dp...

 

[Dotini]

it's not surprising when they all fellated Obama for being a good speaker while bombing 7 countries

Once upon a time the US ruled the world with unsurpassed violence. That mythical unipolar moment, like Atlantis or Camelot, is difficult to let go of.

For practical reasons of cost (debt), we are forced back into a paradigm where nation states enforce spheres of influence and we have to deal with our exceptionalism, hubris and hypocrisy. Unsolved for now is the problem of 4th generation (non-state) warfare with religious extremists.

 

[Joel]

I know right? I mean, what risk could there possibly be in a military mission? Supposed to be just like Call of Duty isn't it? You just set the difficulty to easy and mow down guys like mannequins right?

Uhhhh.... The whole reason I'm criticizing the raid is because of the risks involved and the reports that have come out saying there was inadequate intelligence and support. The call of duty bit is pretty silly too, "You should be more cautious when conducting war halfway across the world" isn't really a theme heavily featured in those games.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Uhhhh.... The whole reason I'm criticizing the raid is because of the risks involved and the reports that have come out saying there was inadequate intelligence and support. The call of duty bit is pretty silly too, "You should be more cautious when conducting war halfway across the world" isn't really a theme heavily featured in those games.

I'm 100% confident that the mainstream media and various websites accurately reported all of the information contained in the intelligence briefings and the planning process.

 

[ryzno]

So the DOW has hit 21k.
In celebration check my status.

 

[Biggles]

Well, it's fortunate that Willam Ryan Owens was killed, because if he had been captured the President wouldn't have considered him a "hero".

Once upon a time the US ruled the world with unsurpassed violence. That mythical unipolar moment, like Atlantis or Camelot, is difficult to let go of.

For practical reasons of cost (debt), we are forced back into a paradigm where nation states enforce spheres of influence and we have to deal with our exceptionalism, hubris and hypocrisy. Unsolved for now is the problem of 4th generation (non-state) warfare with religious extremists.

No, the US never really "ruled the world with unsurpassed violence". Vietnam was violent, but not exactly an unqualified success.

4th generation warfare may be fashionable, for now, but don't discount the re-emergence of good old-fashioned inter-state warfare if we go back to "a paradigm where nation states enforce spheres of influence". And the cost of that may prove be much greater than the cost of international co-operation .

 

[Dotini]

good old-fashioned inter-state warfare if we go back to "a paradigm where nation states enforce spheres of influence". And the cost of that may prove be much greater than the cost of international co-operation .

Would a world of peace, harmony and love - enforced by an extraterrestrial alien deity - be the better plan?

 

[Biggles]

Would a world of peace, harmony and love - enforced by an extraterrestrial alien deity - be the better plan?

Perhaps in your fevered imagination Dotini. But no - a better plan would be for regular ol' human beings to attempt to live together & co-operate through trade & supporting mutual security, rather than dividing up into separate, adversarial tribes. Pretty straightforward stuff really.

 

[Dotini]

a better plan would be for regular ol' human beings to attempt to live together & co-operate through trade & supporting mutual security, rather than dividing up into separate, adversarial tribes. Pretty straightforward stuff really.

Hasn't that been tried recently?? Didn't the USA nearly succeed in imposing your superior vision? But no, it dissolved in debt and unresolved conflict, and the unipolar moment passed descended back down into feuding nations and uncivilized tribes of religious fanatics.

The problem remains. How to enforce, impose or otherwise bring about a new world order of peace, cooperation, harmony and love.

 

[UKMikey]

I had no idea reenacting the plot of Watchmen was a valid consideration for the America thread, but live and learn.

 

[Exorcet]

The problem remains. How to enforce, impose or otherwise bring about a new world order of peace, cooperation, harmony and love.

It might be easier than it sounds. Cooperation is human nature and over the long term I think it's hard to argue against humanity's good intentions. As far as simply achieving the goal, we might not have to work very hard. Most people tend to want to improve their lives and the lives of those close to them. This combined with the ability to influence more and more people through technology will insure that philanthropy will remain strong in our species. How long it takes to reach the goal is another matter.

 

[Biggles]

Hasn't that been tried recently?? Didn't the USA nearly succeed in imposing your superior vision? But no, it dissolved in debt and unresolved conflict, and the unipolar moment passed descended back down into feuding nations and uncivilized tribes of religious fanatics.

The problem remains. How to enforce, impose or otherwise bring about a new world order of peace, cooperation, harmony and love.

It has been tried ... & with remarkable success. There's been no war in Europe for the last 70 years - with the notable exception of the former Yugoslavia where idiotic nationalist sentiments trumped common sense & created murder & brutality, albeit on a much more limited scale than in the past (due in no small part to international co-operation).

Is everything perfect? Of course not - there are still "feuding nations & uncivilized tribes of religious fanatics", but why do you think it's a good idea for the US to join that club? And "debt" doesn't enter into it. There's nothing more harmful to general well-being & prosperity in the world than international conflict.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It was the most professional speaking I've seen him undertake.

My first thought was "someone's got himself a new speechwriter".

 

[CodeRedR51]

It's going to take more than a month and a half for me to take the guy seriously, good speech or not. Let's see where we are in a year.

 

[Northstar]

My first thought was "someone's got himself a new speechwriter".

He had one in the first place?

 

[Tornado]

This was during an interview where George Bush was promoting his portfolio of paintings of veterans. You can say what you want about him having blood on his hands and him finding it hypocritically cathartic to paint pictures of the veterans he sent out to war, and there's some truth in that perhaps, but he does come across as a much more well-intentioned and nicer person than Trump. Now with hindsight it looks like he was even that during his presidency.

Saying you miss George Bush is a bit odd if you remember him from that time but I don't think it's contradictory to miss the way Bush conducted himself even though you disliked his politics and policies.

Yeah, well, you know who also painted things?

Hitler.

Most chilling thing was when he brought up the SEAL killed in a stupid raid he approved, and the media lapped it up. In the very same speech he told lie after lie and announced he wants to open an office to publicize immigrant crime.


Amazing how easy it is to win over spineless DC media hacks. I guess it's not surprising when they all fellated Obama for being a good speaker while bombing 7 countries and are now rehabilitating the image of a war criminal responsible for decades of war in Iraq. I just figured Trump would need to do more than just manage to read from a teleprompter and avoid filling his diaper on live TV once.

They did the same thing during the campaign trail at least once that I remembered.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, well, you know who also painted things?

Hitler.

Illuminati confirmed

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Sessions also had undisclosed contact with Russia during the election campaign:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-02/jeff-sessions-contact-with-russian-officials/8318938

 

[Imari]

He had one in the first place?

I seem to recall him making a big deal out of writing his inauguration speech himself.

 

[mister dog]

About that speech, most agree that it was nice and presidential apart from...



Seems uncle Donald can't do anything right. When he speaks his mind he's a bigot and a moron, when he does the opposite he's an idiot reading from the teleprompter.

It was the most professional speaking I've seen him undertake. I might not have liked all the content but at least he actually sounds like he might have an actual plan. It's a great plan. Wonderful plan.

"Believe me"

 

[Danoff]

Love Mike Rowe

 

[mister dog]

Love Mike Rowe

How much does putting a kid through college cost again in the states? 20 to 30.000 no if i'm not mistaken?

 

[Danoff]

How much does putting a kid through college cost again in the states? 20 to 30.000 no if i'm not mistaken?

Differs wildly by college. We have public universities, private universities, online universities... it's quite variable. The going rate is about $12k per year for 4 years for in-state tuition (including books, not lodging) at a public university.

 

[CodeRedR51]

1 year at a technical school for automotive cost me $20k.

 

[another_jakhole]

Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html

Shocking and not a surprise. Sessions lied, while under oath at his confirmation, about meeting before election.