America - The Official Thread

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McLaren
Illegally monitoring citizens is the same thing, regardless of nationality.
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While I agree in principle, I believe that US law does distinguish. There are restrictions on monitoring US citizens, whereas I'm not sure there's any protections for foreign nationals. I could be wrong and I welcome correction from anyone who knows more.
 
Northstar
Did you actually read anything me and @Joey D wrote? Because we've both said we want less spent on military and more on our water supply.

But hey, keep it up with the borderline personal attacks, it's a great way to get your self a vacation. :cheers:
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Personal attacks? So instead, I can say "beat him like a bitch" and not receive a vaycayshawn? Sweeeet. I'm surprised that went ignored.

Anyway, clarifying that you're not for expanding the military doesn't change how you view not caring so much about what happens to wringing the budget of our environmental programs.
 
Imari
It doesn't exactly work like that, not on a large scale. Major polluters aren't really tied to major population centres.
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Really?
SlipZtrEm
It's utterly mind-blowing to me how easily someone can dismiss the importance of making sure one of our largest sources of clean water stays that way.

This is a great example of how Trump's decisions affect other countries.
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Don't worry,we have lots of fresh water. Them,not so much.
 
another_jakhole
Personal attacks? So instead, I can say "beat him like a bitch"
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Not sure what exactly you're referring to but why not report such things?

Anyway, clarifying that you're not for expanding the military doesn't change how you view not caring so much about what happens to wringing the budget of our environmental programs.
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What thread have you been reading?

Northstar
I'm all for trying to cut unnecessary spending, but if anything more money needs to be spent cleaning the great lakes.
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TenEightyOne
Cows and planes for a starter.
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We're do you live?
Cows and plane's. Don't forget,cars,trains,transport trucks,motorcycles,moose,deer,bears,elk,beavers,sheep,goats,horses,so how many cows and plane's do you think the USA has compared to Canada? As well as steel mills,manufacturing and farming compared to Ontario. I'm not quite sure you understand exactly the geographical area you seem to be talking about! Cows and plane's has to be the best I've ever seen. The funny thing is I've been in the beef industry for over 20 years.
Lol.
Here read up. There is 13 million cattle in Canada.
http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/ontario-cattle-numbers-show-slight-decline-61518

91,800,000 in the US
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Cattle/
 
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Eh Team
Yeah that's a pretty massive problem right now, the asian carp are eating everything in their path. We really need to find out if it's edible or not and fish it the hell out of there like we did to cod on the east coast. Granted that was native but that level of over fishing needs to happen to these things. Hopefully something native decides to munch on them soon too.
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If Asian carp are anything like Suckers, they taste awful, as do most bottom feeders. It would probably be best to find some other use for them, but I don't know economically viable that would be.

another_jakhole
There's an argument being made that the blame is shared. Let's say that it's equally shared. Let's say Canada spends $300 million USD to maintain the Great Lakes just like America spends $300 million. How would it make sense for Canada to add $290 million to cover the costs of the equally shared mess the American government will be bailing out of funding?

How did this get to being another, "Nobody's innocent," argument? Trump has taught you well. Excuse me. Putin has taught Trump to teach you well. The issue isn't, "We're not the only ones polluting the largest source of fresh water in the world." We have a greater responsibility as leaders on any front and should hold ourselves to a standard that keeps us at the top in the eyes of other countries, and especially, in the eyes of the future generations of Americans. The U.S. is the second highest polluting country in the world and per capita the U.S. is the worst, greatest, highest polluting country in the world.

We, the U.S., waste a **** ton on military projects to flex our muscles and we think protecting our planet at all costs is a waste? Let's just keep on building our nuclear arsenal and own our smug attitudes. Let the rest of the world worry about our problems. But let's continue to spend money on camping military bases where it sure as hell isn't wanted.
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You should probably tone it down just a touch.

The blame is shared because the Great Lakes are shared between Canada and the US. Canada dumps pollutants into the water and they have ships come in that dump invasive species into the waters. Both countries have a responsibility to maintain that natural resource, it's not just the US or Canada. The US can't, nor shouldn't, be expected to solve all the problems of the world, especially when others participate in causing those problems in the first place.

I'm also not sure why you're going on about military spending, I've criticized the amount the US spends on the military in several posts and still think the amount of money we spend is ridiculous.

Imari
Not exactly. Australia has bought 72, with a plan to buy a further 28. The US intends to buy 2443. That's kind of a big difference.

Had the US not been propping the program up, it would probably have fallen apart long ago. None of the minor partners bring enough to justify a program of that magnitude.
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Fair enough, I probably should have said "just as guilty" but rather "share part of the guilt". Part of the appeal of the JSF program was that it would be share among several countries instead of the US footing the bill and then having our allies buy them. If other countries hadn't gotten on board, I'm guessing the program would have died out long ago in the US.

killerjimbag
Joey I'm sure you can do math.Canada has 35 million people,so roughly 11 million live in the Great Lakes basin the US has 318 million so about 29 million live in the US Great Lakes basin. So who do you think is causing more pollution?
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You're acting like Canada doesn't pollute the Great Lakes. I'm not doubting that the US pollutes more, but we own a larger portion of the lakes and obviously have more people so given the numbers it makes sense more pollution come from our side.

killerjimbag
Don't worry,we have lots of fresh water. Them,not so much.
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So do you have any proof that the US is some waterless, barren, wasteland or is this another one of your off-the-wall claims like how you said most of the Great Lakes are in Canada...which they aren't? Canada might have more fresh water but it's also significantly larger that the US. Also, how much of that water is accessible? There's a ton in the Northwest Territories, which isn't exactly accessible to the major population centers in Canada.
 
Joey D
If Asian carp are anything like Suckers, they taste awful, as do most bottom feeders. It would probably be best to find some other use for them, but I don't know economically viable that would be.

"Asian carp are edible. Not for me,we have hardly any in Ontario waters,we don't need them. We have to many lakes and streams that would kill the native fish and fisheries."

You should probably tone it down just a touch.

The blame is shared because the Great Lakes are shared between Canada and the US. Canada dumps pollutants into the water and they have ships come in that dump invasive species into the waters. Both countries have a responsibility to maintain that natural resource, it's not just the US or Canada. The US can't, nor shouldn't, be expected to solve all the problems of the world, especially when others participate in causing those problems in the first place.

"What do you mean we have ships that dump water,how do you think ships from around the world end up in Chicago, Milwaukie,Erie,Buffalo? They have to enter through Lake Ontario,which in turn they dump ballast to use the Welland Canal,which means ships then can get to American destinations using the rest of the Great Lakes."

I'm also not sure why you're going on about military spending, I've criticized the amount the US spends on the military in several posts and still think the amount of money we spend is ridiculous.



Fair enough, I probably should have said "just as guilty" but rather "share part of the guilt". Part of the appeal of the JSF program was that it would be share among several countries instead of the US footing the bill and then having our allies buy them. If other countries hadn't gotten on board, I'm guessing the program would have died out long ago in the US.



You're acting like Canada doesn't pollute the Great Lakes. I'm not doubting that the US pollutes more, but we own a larger portion of the lakes and obviously have more people so given the numbers it makes sense more pollution come from our side.

"Really,there is only two states that produce more than Ontario. Read below what I posted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about Canada."




So do you have any proof that the US is some waterless, barren, wasteland or is this another one of your off-the-wall claims like how you said most of the Great Lakes are in Canada...which they aren't? Canada might have more fresh water but it's also significantly larger that the US. Also, how much of that water is accessible? There's a ton in the Northwest Territories, which isn't exactly accessible to the major population centers in Canada.
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Yes we have huge aquafuges that water travels underground. We're do you think the water comes from. Hate to prove a point,but if you insist.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/about-ontario
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_ont.jpg
 
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killerjimbag
Yes we have huge aquafuges that water travels underground. We're do you think the water comes from. Hate to prove a point,but if you insist.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/about-ontario
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_ont.jpg
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I have no idea was an aquafuges is (actually according to Google it's a fish filter), but if you bothered to actually read what I wrote, I wanted proof of your claim that the US doesn't have ample fresh water. I'm not doubting that Canada has more fresh water than the US, I only used "might" because I don't know for sure.

Actually looking at this source, it looks like Canada has about 20% of the world's fresh water but only 7% of it is part of the global supply and considered "renewable". I'm guessing of the 20% a vast majority of Canada's liquid fresh water is in the massive post-glacial lakes that are in the northwest part of the country (Great Slave, Great Bear, and Lake Athabasca) and the thousands of other smaller lakes that dot the northern region. The other large chunk is probably locked away in glaciers.

America's number are a little hard to come by for whatever reason, but according to National Geographic the US has about 8% of the global supply of renewable water. Accounting for errors, I'm guessing the difference between usable water in the US compared to Canada is minimal.

This source from the World Bank (a data organization) seems to support the idea that the amount of renewable water in both countries is relatively close.
 
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killerjimbag
Uhm,when I click on the link it shows a map of Ontario. I don't know what your seeing.
Here Joey.
https://watermonitor.gov/naww/index.php
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It also shows Ontario, and unless every compass I've ever seen is a lie, it's on the EAST side of Canada whereas @Joey D was talking about the water supply on the WEST side of the country.

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Still not sure how Canada is somehow not responsible for any of the pollution in the great lakes.
 
killerjimbag
We're do you live?
Cows and plane's. Don't forget,cars,trains,transport trucks,motorcycles,moose,deer,bears,elk,beavers,sheep,goats,horses,so how many cows and plane's do you think the USA has compared to Canada? As well as steel mills,manufacturing and farming compared to Ontario. I'm not quite sure you understand exactly the geographical area you seem to be talking about! Cows and plane's has to be the best I've ever seen. The funny thing is I've been in the beef industry for over 20 years.
Lol.
Here read up. There is 13 million cattle in Canada.
http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/ontario-cattle-numbers-show-slight-decline-61518

91,800,000 in the US
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Cattle/
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We're in danger of being sidetracked into a cow-off, we should avoid that. If you work in the beef industry then you're aware of the CO2 output of cows (unless it's just a student job packing lasagne)... and the point I was answering was about significant CO2 emitters that sit away from population centres. Cows. Planes. Seemples.
 
Northstar
It also shows Ontario, and unless every compass I've ever seen is a lie, it's on the EAST side of Canada whereas @Joey D was talking about the water supply on the WEST side of the country.

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Still not sure how Canada is somehow not responsible for any of the pollution in the great lakes.
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The East side of Canada? Yeah ok. Really so I guess Detroit is also on the east side of the US. Ha,ha.
 
TenEightyOne
We're in danger of being sidetracked into a cow-off, we should avoid that. If you work in the beef industry then you're aware of the CO2 output of cows (unless it's just a student job packing lasagne)... and the point I was answering was about significant CO2 emitters that sit away from population centres. Cows. Planes. Seemples.
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We're in Texas?
 
Northstar
Maybe not far east, but unless you're living on the bloody center line of Canada you are in the Eastern part or the Western part of the country. And since Ontario is mostly on the eastern side of the country I would call it an eastern province.
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Your in the mid west,but Ontario which is above you, is in the East. Yeah now I get your logic,so I guess only America has a mid west.
Ha,ha, brilliant! You do know that there is Quebec,PEI,New Brunswick,Newfoundland and Nova Scotia to get to the "East"
 
killerjimbag
Your in the mid west,but Ontario which is above you, is in the East. Yeah now I get your logic,so I guess only America has a mid west.
Ha,ha, brilliant!
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Ontario is a huge province, so it's both (although most of the population is on the eastern side). 💡

Anyayws, I'm going to cut this off before we both lose respect for each other. Have a nice day. :cheers:
 

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