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This is the internet, things don't just happen accidentally, there's always a conspiracy.
America - The Official Thread
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This is the internet, things don't just happen accidentally, there's always a conspiracy.
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- Johnnypenso
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Remember, it's only Fake News™ if you don't like it.
Since so much of the recent goings-on in the USA has felt like a TV show gone wrong, I'd be very entertained (and sad) if this is The Wire made real. Juking the stats?
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The various form of media have always had a POV. What is happening now, is that a significant number of people are choosing sources of information that have extremely polarized POVs, absorbing those & dismissing the rest as "fake". This is insidiously tearing apart the social fabric of the US.
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But but.... borders don't work!
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Oh, I see that. I won't blame Trump and his supporters exclusively — this way of thinking has been growing over the last decade or so, across the political spectrum — but it does seem to be getting worse. There's such a focus on an us-versus-them mentality that it's becoming more about "winning" against the perceived other side than it is about the advancement of the population as a whole.*
* - I realize the irony of posting such a statement on an internet message board.
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Dotini
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Polarization and tearing social fabric are interesting assertions that require further explanation. Also interesting is the withering away of the Democratic party in all aspects of actual governance. Despite spending twice as much, they lost the presidency, and remain minorities in the Senate and especially in the House. In terms of governorships and statehouse legislatures, they are even worse off, struggling near to 1 in 3. The Democrat party is at the doorstep of further political and financial collapse as they cling to losers and try to fend off reform and splinter parties.
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- ryzno
By your definition which group is which?One group is a bunch of bigots, the other is open-minded and accepting.
One group is uneducated and ignorant, the other is enlightened.
Narrow-minded generalizations are fun!
OT: Also as international as this site is, I'm surprised no one is talking about the axe attack at the train station in Germany today. Or did I miss it?
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This isn't the Germany thread is it?
I haven't been looking that front forum page much today but usually someone from the O&CE regulars put up a thread for news stories such as that.As to this part
Your country's news media and politicians have been working the us v. them bit for decades, to the point where people have grown up under entirely this type of coverage. It's just been ingrained in the minds of so many people who don't necessarily know to know better than to think this way.
I tend to lean rather liberal in my thinking but I also don't think you should have your guns taken away from you because you voted Trump. I want everyone to treat each other as equals and don't want to take away things from people who think differently than I do.
It is difficult to get a country of 300+ million people to agree on what should and shouldn't be law but no agreements can be arrived at if sides are taken and the people on each side point at the other side and yell "BAD!"
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It isn't and no one has, hence the "OT" before the sentences. I'm not a post number/like person.This isn't the Germany thread is it?
Is there a Germany thread I missed? Also I'd get roasted if I posted this in the ISIS thread with no evidence. What's a guy to do?
Seems I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. I'm just that dummy named ryzno right?
Edit: I'm sure it wasn't a personal jab but I feel like people mock me then ignore me when I try to bring something up. I don't pick the best time or places but what I said is fact and I'm suprised no one is talking about it.
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I don't know about the perspective from the "East Atlanta Slums", but from my perspective - a very affluent, white, upper middle-class community in southern Ontario - I see people (including myself) who had every advantage in life: a first class education, good, high paying jobs, inherited wealth invested in homes that have turned huge (tax-free) profits over the years. I compare that to people I know who were born to poor, working-class families who have worked hard every day of their lives in blue collar jobs, made just enough to get by, have little or nothing saved & no expensive real estate to liquidate.
The difference in those two circumstances have nothing, absolutely nothing to do "one group wants everything for free, the other wants people to earn it."
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Certainly not a mock or a personal jab, I would have made the joke regardless of who may have said that. I looked at the post and saw an opportunity I couldn't pass up, I never intend malice but I'll admit sometimes a joke can look that way.
I thought I had seen a Germany thread previously but it was likely just a thread with Germany in the title.
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I don't know if it's a minority or not, it's hard to say really. There's a lot of die-hard democrats/republicans out there, that would vote for their parties candidate, even if they were voting for a Tree, as long as the Tree was part of their party.
The best way to be is in the middle, as with anything really. When people are over the top passionate, almost aggressive, on their beliefs with anything(politics, religion, the environment etc.), they become almost blind to what's reality.
I'm not democratic or republican, I choose based on the candidates at the time. I think the political party system is a joke, it's why nothing ever gets done. I don't know any alternatives though, how to re-do it. This was foreseen way back in 1780, by a fellow named John Adams:
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
-John Adams
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Travel Ban 2: Electric Boogaloo is subject to legal challenges almost as soon as it is published:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...l-challenges-mount-against-travel-ban/8342038
Meanwhile, Scott Pruitt - no, not the racing driver - says that he doesn't think carbon emissions are causing global warming:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...e-co2-not-to-blame-for-global-warming/8342052
He doesn't say what he does think is causing it, though. Liberals? Russians? Wizards? Dare I say it, Liberal Russian Wizards?
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...l-challenges-mount-against-travel-ban/8342038
Meanwhile, Scott Pruitt - no, not the racing driver - says that he doesn't think carbon emissions are causing global warming:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...e-co2-not-to-blame-for-global-warming/8342052
He doesn't say what he does think is causing it, though. Liberals? Russians? Wizards? Dare I say it, Liberal Russian Wizards?
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He doesn't say, because he doesn't know. I don't either.
I am not convinced that humans are causing climate change. The climate has always been changing.
Greenland was once green.
Minnesota's lakes come from glaciers.
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What's a post number/like person?
Also please don't turn into a self sacrificing doubter just cause many people tend to comment to you and challenge what you say. It's almost martyr like. We're just making conversation with you. I agree with @huskeR32 it's quite easy to actually claim us vs them with a broad stroke, it's very difficult to prove it with such sweeping generalizations
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They are, it's been on the news, along with another murder in Germany and a murder-suicide in Wolverhampton, Britain. There's no reason why every single murder should be featured at GTP.
It does seem peculiar that you might think that it goes in the ISIS thread - murders were happening in public since before Islam even happened.
Nope.
Sounds like you're having a bad day! Your surprise comes from the fact that you've read something into it that isn't immediately apparent - there's probably a lesson to learn in there. Other than that I haven't seen anyone mock you... GTP is a good place for serious discussion with people who hold views of just about every type. Don't take it personally
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I can't believe these people are still trying to coin it as a "Muslim" ban.
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As long as humans are involved there's always likely to be groups and parties. However I think it's when only two groups are actually in the running to hold any power that it becomes dangerous. If you have 6 or 10 groups representing various aspects of the populace and proportional power given to each, then one can always find someone to vote for that at least fairly closely represents how you want your country to be.
With two parties, you end up with things like the latest election where a lot of people were left voting for one of two parties and hating both.
