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[TenEightyOne]

Former Official: Obama Admin ‘Systematically Disbanded’ Units Investigating Iran’s Terrorism Financing Networks

And yet his evidence shows that attacks on the infrastructure in Lebanon continued right through to last month. Part of the purpose of these hearings is to make an ongoing plan under the new admin, no?

 

[Johnnypenso]

And yet his evidence shows that attacks on the infrastructure in Lebanon continued right through to last month. Part of the purpose of these hearings is to make an ongoing plan under the new admin, no?

As far as I can see, he's talking about three specific countries:

The Obama administration "systematically disbanded" law enforcement investigative units across the federal government focused on disrupting Iranian, Syrian, and Venezuelan terrorism financing networks

 

[Danoff]

And speaking of crazy religious talk, this group wants the right to ban people with mental illness from mass:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...riminated-against-disabled-sex-change/8612052

The irony is not lost on me.

They want to end mass?

 

[McLaren]

And speaking of crazy religious talk, this group wants the right to ban people with mental illness from mass:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...riminated-against-disabled-sex-change/8612052

The irony is not lost on me.

Looks like they're talking about people involved with church leadership, not the attendees.

"Nowhere does the submission say that we don't want people with disturbed behaviour to be part of a church.

"What we have said is that church organisations should be able, in making decisions about employment, who leads the service, it is entirely appropriate that people who fulfil those roles not be people who manifest disturbed behaviour."

In an earlier statement, he said "we have absolutely no desire to exclude disabled persons" and "our policy submission raises concerns about problematic behaviours, not disability status".

 

[Chrunch Houston]

And speaking of crazy religious talk, this group wants the right to ban people with mental illness from mass:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...riminated-against-disabled-sex-change/8612052

The irony is not lost on me.

Um, this is the American thread. What the Australians do is entirely on them.

But I see what you are trying to do.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Looks like they're talking about people involved with church leadership, not the attendees.

They also say before that...

"Our submission did not say we should be able to discriminate with a blank canvas in areas of mental disability," Rev Saunders said.

"It is appropriate in some circumstances to discriminate justifiably where the person is involved in disturbed behaviour that is contrary to the best interests of the organisation.

Also they give no ideas on what they consider "disturbed", I've seen people with severe bipolar have outbursts over the simple and most unreasonable things, I'm curious where that falls in.

Also what @Chrunch Houston said

 

[McLaren]

They also say before that...



Also they give no ideas on what they consider "disturbed", I've seen people with severe bipolar have outbursts over the simple and most unreasonable things, I'm curious where that falls in.

Also what @Chrunch Houston said

One example was outburst of profanity; I'm guessing that's the "disturbed" area. Not a solid choice of them using that word, either imo.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

One example was outburst of profanity; I'm guessing that's the "disturbed" area. Not a solid choice of them using that word, either imo.

That's my point, that could be anything from Bipolar to Schizophrenia and so on, so for them to say it isn't a blank canvas and then give a vague example...really does a great contradiction. Doesn't matter though because as Chrunch said this isn't the Aussie thread, I'm more curious as to the point of why it was posted here.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Doesn't matter though because as Chrunch said this isn't the Aussie thread, I'm more curious as to the point of why it was posted here.

I seems to me that @prisonermonkeys found an article about some backward-assed people, and just assumed they were Americans. We did elect Trump after all.

You would think he would have at least read the story before posting it. It did come from Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

 

[Johnnypenso]

That's my point, that could be anything from Bipolar to Schizophrenia and so on, so for them to say it isn't a blank canvas and then give a vague example...really does a great contradiction. Doesn't matter though because as Chrunch said this isn't the Aussie thread, I'm more curious as to the point of why it was posted here.

Probably just a mistake. I'm guessing he probably meant to misrepresent that link in the Australian thread instead of here. I'm more curious as to whether he actually reads the stories in the links he posts or just sees the clickbait headline and does the old copy/paste routine.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I seems to me that @prisonermonkeys found an article about some backward-assed people, and just assumed they were Americans. We did elect Trump after all.

You would think he would have at least read the story before posting it. It did come from Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

I'm sure he knows it was Aussie, he lives there and opens webpages that are aussie based by default...

Probably just a mistake. I'm guessing he probably meant to misrepresent that link in the Australian thread instead of here.

That's a possibility and most likely my initial thought, since he's posted in the wrong thread by mistake in the past from time to time.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'm sure he knows it was Aussie, he lives there and opens webpages that are aussie based by default...

Correct.

That's a possibility and most likely my initial thought, since he's posted in the wrong thread by mistake in the past from time to time.

I saw that the current discussion was about religion-themed crazy and thought the story fit tangentially.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I saw that the current discussion was about religion-themed crazy and thought the story fit tangentially.

But you didn't feel the need to specify that those particular crazies were Australians. Nice. You see the responses before I pointed it out, thought they were Americans. I would think a professional like you would know a little more about context.

You did post it in the American thread.

 

[TenEightyOne]

As far as I can see, he's talking about three specific countries:

Hezbollah, actually. Did you read your own sources?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

But you didn't feel the need to specify that those particular crazies were Australians.

I trusted that you were smart enough to read the article and figure it out for yourself while being amused by it.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I trusted that you were smart enough to read the article and figure it out for yourself while being amused by it.

Yes, so amusing, I giggled all the way through it. Now I guess I can start posting North Korean news stories in the Australian thread with no context.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Meanwhile, in actual news, Trump is reportedly considering firing Robert Mueller:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...considering-axing-russia-investigator/8614596

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hezbollah, actually. Did you read your own sources?

Of course. I don't see anything in it that contradicts the thrust of the article. Kassim Tajideen was arrested after Obama left office and he had operations all over Africa and was arrested in Morocco. Sanctions are about to be introduced against Hezbollah, again, by Trump, and after Obama.

Meanwhile, in actual news, Trump is reportedly considering firing Robert Mueller:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...considering-axing-russia-investigator/8614596

As he should. There are multiple conflicts of interest here.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I trusted that you were smart enough to read the article and figure it out for yourself while being amused by it.

I see ABC, and that's about as far as I went. If I hadn't looked up the organization, I wouldn't have known, and then Chrunch actually pointed it out before I could fix my post even. Point is ABC is big, originated in the U.S. and most of us aren't going to check to see if the link ends in AU or some other affiliate of ABC based in another country. Which is why I understand where @Chrunch Houston is coming from.

 

[DDastardly00]

Just read about the politically motivated shooting at a GOP baseball practice, the hatred that the left has cultivated since Trump was elected has now reached a boiling point. Trump missed a golden opportunity today to denounce the dangerous rhetoric coming from the left that is now spawning shootings of house members and capital police and that is a shame. While I appreciate his thoughts and prayers, that doesn't cut it for me, While Trump's speech was well-intended, he swung and missed on that opportunity today. Just like with Kathy Gifford shooting, by a right wing whack job, this is an opportunity for all Americans to examine what's really in their heart. There is a place for fierce debate and disagreement but there is NEVER a place for Shooting those that disagree with you and it should be condemned by not just everyone on both sides of the aisle, but ALL AMERICANS, under the STRONGEST of terms. It needs to stop NOW.

Yeah, I'm mad and I made that pretty obvious. I've been trying to not focus on anything political, the news, the stupidity going in the Senate, all of that stuff in general during E3, because I would rather focus on games, but this savage act, committed by a Bernie Sanders affiliated moron ripped me away from all of that.

I expect every House member, every Senate member, every Mayor of every major City and every State Governor to condemn this act of political violence RIGHT NOW or they should hand in their resignation if they are unwilling to do that. Everything has a price, Kathy beheading Trump, Trumps assassination during the Caesar play, the vitriol and everything else eventually will inspire acts of violence such as this. It's gone too far now. And I can guarantee right now that some right wing extremists are sitting around saying 'if they shoot our people then let's go shoot theirs' . We need recognize right here and now that this is not what we want going forward, this is not how we move forward as a nation as a country. It's time to dial everything back about 10 notches and focus on what we can do together, not what we disagree with each other on.

 

[Danoff]

Everything has a price, Kathy beheading Trump, Trumps assassination during the Caesar play, the vitriol and everything else eventually will inspire acts of violence such as this.

I agree with you that this is an opportunity to dial down the rhetoric and come together in denouncement of violence. But... I will not blame actors and satirists for the actions of others. This is not a price paid for freedom of speech.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Everything has a price, Kathy beheading Trump, Trumps assassination during the Caesar play, the vitriol and everything else eventually will inspire acts of violence such as this.

Bollocks. Don't forget why there was a stabbing scene in Julius Caesar in the first place, nutterism goes back a long way.

 

[DDastardly00]

I agree with you that this is an opportunity to dial down the rhetoric and come together in denouncement of violence. But... I will not blame actors and satirists for the actions of others. This is not a price paid for freedom of speech.

Bollocks. Don't forget why there was a stabbing scene in Julius Caesar in the first place, nutterism goes back a long way.

Since my post, a thread was created by Sanji, I've taken the conversation there if you guys would like to join us:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...erate-attack-at-gop-softball-practice.356731/

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Trumps assassination during the Caesar play

Have you ever read Julius Caesar? Or seen a production of it? If you had, you would understand what the play is trying to do, and it's not advocating the murder of a president. It's a critical examination of the nature of leadership, political extremism, patriotism and popularism, and individual and social responses to it. Shakespeare frequently used his works as politucal commentary - The Tempest was a discourse on good governance and tge responsibilities of leaders, and was aimed squarely at King James I, who had been violently cracking down on Catholics at the time. If he were alive today, Shakespeare would likely be writing a play called Donald Trump.

We shouldn't shy away from art, literature and theatre that is critical of political instututions. Arthur Miller's The Crucible is one of the most important pieces of American literature, and it was a direct response to McCarthyism. Because what's the alternative - ban anything that might be critical of Trump? In the Shakesperean canon, that means there is no place for Julius Caesar, Macbeth, The Tempest, Coriolanus, King Richard III or King Henry V.

 

[DDastardly00]

Have you ever read Julius Caesar? Or seen a production of it? If you had, you would understand what the play is trying to do, and it's not advocating the murder of a president. It's a critical examination of the nature of leadership, political extremism, patriotism and popularism, and individual and social responses to it. Shakespeare frequently used his works as politucal commentary - The Tempest was a discourse on good governance and tge responsibilities of leaders, and was aimed squarely at King James I, who had been violently cracking down on Catholics at the time. If he were alive today, Shakespeare would likely be writing a play called Donald Trump.

We shouldn't shy away from art, literature and theatre that is critical of political instututions. Arthur Miller's The Crucible is one of the most important pieces of American literature, and it was a direct response to McCarthyism. Because what's the alternative - ban anything that might be critical of Trump? In the Shakesperean canon, that means there is no place for Julius Caesar, Macbeth, The Tempest, Coriolanus, King Richard III or King Henry V.

No I haven't, I have only seen Macbeth and Romeo and Juliet (Live productions of both). I might have read Julius Caesar when I was very young but I don't recall.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No I haven't, I have only seen Macbeth and Romeo and Juliet (Live productions of both). I might have read Julius Caesar when I was very young but I don't recall.

Well, read it before you judge it. Caesar's assassination is the centrepiece of the play, but it's the events afterwards that are most meaningful.

 

[Joey D]

Hey look, more state sponsored support of terrorist nations:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-s...-days-after-accusing-it-of-funding-terrorism/

The strangest part is just a day or so ago, Trump said in a speech that Qatar funded terrorism:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-gulf-emirate-saudi-arabia-uae-a7788151.html

I can't even reason though this one. The Saudis, while a sponsor of terrorism, is needed by the US so we can land planes there while bombing ISIS strongholds. But Qatar? I'm not even sure. I know the US has troops stationed there, but it seems like it's not exactly strategically important when Saudi Arabia is right next door.

 

[McLaren]

HuffPost pulls article that calls for the trial & execution for Trump & everyone in his administration. The writer of the article even dismisses the thought of bringing up facts to support his argument ("The sad thing is that I don’t even have to run through a laundry list of his wrongdoings and cite a litany of sources."). The bolded below is the author's own doing; playing judge, jury, and executioner.

Draining the swamp means not only ejecting Trump from the presidency, but also bringing himself and everyone assisting in his agenda up on charges of treason. They must be convicted (there is little room to doubt their guilt). And then — upon receiving guilty verdicts — they must all be executed under the law. Anything less than capital punishment — or at least life imprisonment without parole in a maximum security detention facility — would send yet another message to the world that America has lost its moral compass. In order for America’s morality and leadership to be restored, it must rebuke Donald Trump, his entire administration, and his legislative agenda in the strongest manner possible. And nothing would do more than to convict them of the highest offense defined by our Constitution, and then to deliver the ultimate punishment. Donald Trump deserves nothing less. Mitch McConnell, Steve Bannon, and Paul Ryan should also share Donald Trump’s fate, for they have done more than practically anyone to protect him and to throw our country under the proverbial bus. In order to survive, we as a nation must deliver the ultimate punishment under the law to all involved in its current destruction.

This lunatic isn't doing the rest of the media favors, let alone Huffpost, writing stuff like this. It could be spun against the Left very easily, esp. in the wake of what happened today.

You can read the full cached version here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...afee4b094fa859f19ce+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Danoff]

HuffPost pulls article that calls for the trial & execution for Trump & everyone in his administration. The writer of the article even dismisses the thought of bringing up facts to support his argument ("The sad thing is that I don’t even have to run through a laundry list of his wrongdoings and cite a litany of sources."). The bolded below is the author's own doing; playing judge, jury, and executioner.


This lunatic isn't doing the rest of the media favors, let alone Huffpost, writing stuff like this. It could be spun against the Left very easily, esp. in the wake of what happened today.

You can read the full cached version here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...afee4b094fa859f19ce+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

It got a little like this with Bush Jr. too. A bunch of vitriol from the left, claiming that Bush was responsible for the deaths in Katrina, and that he was a mass murderer and an evil mastermind and that he was killing our youth in the military in exchange for lining the pockets of Halliburton executives. Some even claimed he orchestrated 9/11 for that purpose.

It's funny, because all we heard about building up to Obama was that the right wing folks could never stand for a Black president, that he'd be assassinated immediately, that those gun nuts are super violent and racist. And yet, all we seem to get during the Trump administration is severed heads, calls for execution of our elected government officials, protesters with signs saying things like "rape melania", and riots at universities. Yet somehow it's always the right wing that gets painted as backwards, violent, and gun-loving.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Trump reportedly under investigation for obstruction of justice:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...n-for-obstruction-of-justice-us-media/8619686