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Hillary got caught first.
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With regards to national anthem protests, I absolutely hate people who have a blind submission to it, demand that everyone support the national anthem and that anyone who doesn't is unpatriotic. And I say this as someone who is deeply proud of his own national identity (Welsh) and loves singing the national anthem before international sports events (Hen wlad fy nhadau). But I'd never force someone to sing it or join in with the ceremony surrounding it; you can only do so if you are invested in, and believe in, that anthem
Whatever the reasons for these professional sport players not doing the hand on heart, cap lowered routine, which is almost a stereotype or cliche of people from the United States, it's entirely their prerogative to do so and I believe it is covered under their first amendment rights. It's wrong to force people otherwise and certainly any pressure from an official governmental figure, authority or agency is doubly wrong. Any dispute should be between the players and the club's management; in other words, between an employer and their employee.
But it's nothing like a social dispute to get the President throwing his considerable influence about. Never mind that there are greater problems at home and abroad for him to arbitrate.
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Basically what this is trying to say is, the only trustworthy news is mainstream.
I got the impression that he wants Trump to look into how the election was done because Russians supposedly rigged the results.
Which even if it was true, I don't think Trump would do an investigation against himself.
As much as we can say Trump is inexperienced and unprofessional, he isn't an idiot.
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I'd say that he speaks before he thinks. That gives a ready impression of idiocy at times - he's grown up in an environment where his word is law and he doesn't always seem to see that being POTUS doesn't quite work like that.
That's an interesting point. I'd say that any media bias qualifies as propaganda. Any opinion/news outlet that takes a strong editorial/political line is arguably creating propaganda, whether that's national news agencies or two-man opinion sites. The web is full of propaganda now, just see the Media Bias or Fake News* threads.
*Although "Fake News" doesn't seem to have found any yet.
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True though that feels inline with the inexperienced part since what he uses is likely experience from a completely different field.
However, I guess you can say it is a sign of idiocy.
Oh absolutely, I don't have much doubts about that.
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It's almost as if the email thing wasn't why anybody disliked her in the first place...
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I thought the issue with Clintons private emails wasn't the fact she was using a private email server but what was in those private emails.
Granted it wasn't the main reason why I preferred Trump over her but still, some context is important when comparing the 2 similar situations.
Granted it wasn't the main reason why I preferred Trump over her but still, some context is important when comparing the 2 similar situations.
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You made a lot of valid points here. I also agree that supporting the anthem should never be forced, we aren't North Korea. I don't like that Trump felt the need to weigh in on this, again, he could've said nothing and we still would've known where he stands anyway, it was entirely unnecessary. I personally don't care for the players bringing politics into football games and using the national anthem as a vehicle, but it's their right to do it. If people don't like it, they can turn the channel or not buy tickets to games, that is their right too.
My one respectful request to those who claim to be boycotting the NFL, in other words, the loudest voices in the room: just leave it behind, I mean really leave it behind, totally and completely for the rest of the season. Don't comment about how your are boycotting the NFL in articles or sports blogs, quit grandstanding, just shut up and leave, in other words, buh bye. It's seriously getting annoying for those of us having a sports-minded conversation, discussing a game, plays that were made and so on just to have a barrage of commenters barge on in like the drunk uncle who's not welcome at family reunions and declare how they are boycotting the NFL. These people are acting like the child who threatens to take their ball and go home but still stays there saying the same threats over and over. If you are going toactually leave, then leave, don't let the door hit your butt on the way out, and take Trump with you.
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Thanks to Trump, the kneeling has taken a different reasoning.
Kap. did it in opposition of police brutality against blacks. Now, it seems like it's being done in the name of just doing it to piss off Trump. I'm sure Kap. couldn't care less, but I'm not sure if I like that reasoning at all, personally. But, it is still an issue between them & their employer at the end of the game that the govt. should have zero influence on.
Kap. did it in opposition of police brutality against blacks. Now, it seems like it's being done in the name of just doing it to piss off Trump. I'm sure Kap. couldn't care less, but I'm not sure if I like that reasoning at all, personally. But, it is still an issue between them & their employer at the end of the game that the govt. should have zero influence on.
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NASCAR joined the whole fray as well after Richard Childress and Richard Petty said they would fire anyone who doesn't stand for the anthem. That in particular makes no sense to me because as far as I'm aware of, none of the teams had people sitting or kneeling during the anthem to begin with.
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Preemptive warning just in case.
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Petty just had a scathing review from a former title sponsor to one of their cars, if they want to continue losing money good on them. I agree not sure why NASCAR had to come out and do a good ol' boys commentary about this issue.
Is that a serious question?
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Yes, it's a reference to food from the article. I just wondered what it was.
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It's like oatmeal, but instead of oats, it's corn meal. It's a total southern thing since most other places in the US aren't generally super fond of it.
It's not horrid, but it's not something I'd want to eat all the time. It's pretty decent fried though, but so is everything.
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So typically a southern dish, I've had it, it's alright. It's made from corn sometimes hominy ground up, reminds me of cream of wheat if you've ever had that. Next easiest comparison would be plain oatmeal or even closer arroz con leche which is thick rice pudding served hot, similar to cream of wheat but with rice. I'm sure one of the more traversed eaters of this can give you a more introspective understanding.
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That... should be interesting to see if it develops. If we were to follow the stereotype that NASCAR fans are rednecks, I can't see that going over very well. But, I don't think it'll catch on in that series. I Googled the most popular sports in the US, and racing seemed to consistently, barely make the Top 10; tennis, soccer, & college sports were rated higher. 1 article had it at 4 back in 2014. Seems like we'll see more NBA followed by MLB players kneeling before a driver.
Related, the Cowboys which I referenced as having heard that Jones would not want his players to kneel dismissed that claim tonight in the most unusual way. All the players & staffed including JJ, took a knee when they came out, and then stood for the National Anthem. As one would expect, it was met with responses from every which way. I think most people are happy with it as way to respect both sides, but there were a few that felt they bought into protest and some who thought they didn't prove their support enough for it.
Can't win 'em all.
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Yeah that'd be about right, especially a sport like NASCAR that has been on the decline as far as viewer, sponsors, and seats sold is concerned, you have to question why they thought it was necessary to make a public statement. Where one obviously wasn't needed. Which is why I framed it the way I did, it's no shock that RC and RP are both old school guys that typically have been seen supporting conservative personalities. It's a shame really because they have in kind made a double standard where it's okay for their drivers to shun open invite from the White House when Obama was in office, but now can't do the same in a different manner with Trump.
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Because there's only one thing that's worse than being talked about... not being talked about
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The alt-right often complain about "virtue-signalling"... I wonder whether this is the Trumpite equivalent.
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Because there's only one thing that's worse than being talked about... not being talked about
When you're hemorrhaging money I would say keeping under the radar and not generating bad press is more ideal. Then again, maybe NASCAR is living in 2014 and they're seeing this as an opportune situation to just "YOLO"
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Possibly their thinking is as facile as "Hey - our sportsmen stand for the anthem, maybe those football folks will come over here instead"
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Possibly their thinking is as facile as "Hey - our sportsmen stand for the anthem, maybe those football folks will come over here instead"
Jokes on them, I bet those small group of people complaining are the same people that watch NFL during NASCAR commercial breaks or in between race stages.
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While I never understood the proper purpose of virtue-signalling (I know what it means but kinda like racism, privileged and fascist and the lot, it feels like its just a label thrown everywhere now to undermine someones opinion), however this idea of alt-right confuses me. I've never seen any political speakers who associate themselves as alt-right. Don't even know what they're supposed to stand for at this point.
