America - The Official Thread

[Johnnypenso]

Did anyone see Trumps speech? He was slurring pretty heavily, especially towards the end. Could be a lot of things but the first thing that came to mind was stroke....or maybe his dentures came loose...lol. Hope he's ok though.

 

[Liquid]

Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine as well as Israel. Is it fair to recognise one but not the other? Does that show a wilful ignorance of what is happening in the West Bank?

Sure, Palestine's capital is only east Jerusalem de facto but Israel's capital is only west Jerusalem de facto. Is it not fairer to say that the capital of Palestine is East Jerusalem and the capital of Israel is West Jerusalem?

No, apparently not. Because nobody wants to be the first to concede that Jerusalem is a divided city because being the first to do that would be a sign of weakness and a sign of acknowledging "the other side".

More stupid international dick waving.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Sometimes I wonder if this whole thing wasn't created with the machiavelian purpose of creating a unsolvable geopolitical problem at the expense of the jewish that wanted their own state and of the palestinians that were in the piece of land chosen to make that state happen. Locking them in this dispute without an end in sight, while the world powers watch passively (at best), or use the conflit to promote their own agendas.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Sometimes I wonder if this whole thing wasn't created with the machiavelian purpose of creating a unsolvable geopolitical problem at the expense of the jewish that wanted their own state and of the palestinians that were in the piece of land chosen to make that state happen. Locking them in this dispute without an end in sight, while the world powers watch passively (at best), or use the conflit to promote their own agendas.

Every time America is burning down it seems that a larger, more watchable fire is kindled somewhere else.

 

[Joey D]

Did anyone see Trumps speech? He was slurring pretty heavily, especially towards the end. Could be a lot of things but the first thing that came to mind was stroke....or maybe his dentures came loose...lol. Hope he's ok though.

I assume Trump is a massive alcoholic. One doesn't get that fat eating burned steak with ketchup on it.

 

[Biggles]

I assume Trump is a massive alcoholic. One doesn't get that fat eating burned steak with ketchup on it.

What? That actually sounds like Fake News. As I understand it, Trump is a teetotaler.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I assume Trump is a massive alcoholic. One doesn't get that fat eating burned steak with ketchup on it.

I think his preference is Big Macs and Fries or KFC and it's not hard to get that big with a steady diet of that.

 

[McLaren]

When Nancy Pelosi advises her own party from trying to start the impeachment process (for the time being), it would have been a good idea to heed her advice. Instead, Democrat Green pushed for the movement even though he knew he was likely to not succeed; the vote failed 364-58.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/trump-impeachment-vote-fail-282888

House Democrats overwhelmingly joined Republicans on Wednesday to defeat an attempt to impeach President Donald Trump. But 58 Democrats supported the bid to consider impeachment over the objections of House Democratic leaders, who viewed the measure as a distraction in a Republican-controlled Congress.

The motion to sideline the measure — killing the effort — was approved 364-58, with four Democrats voting present.

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But Green, a seven-term, Houston-area lawmaker, said his conscience compelled him to push forward with the measure, even though he acknowledged he was unlikely to succeed.

“Now is not the time to consider articles of impeachment,” Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer said in a joint statement, shortly after Green introduced his articles of impeachment.

While this won't set Dems back in anyway, it's been discussed that it doesn't do the party any good in a time of needing to begin building support towards the 2020 election.

 

[TheCracker]

What? That actually sounds like Fake News. As I understand it, Trump is a teetotaler.

 

[Johnnypenso]

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What's in the glass?

 

[Liquid]

What's in the glass?

CROOKED fiberal blood. Yum!

 

[TheCracker]

What's in the glass?

Wine. (It's a wine glass).

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wine. (It's a wine glass).

So you can identify wine visually?

 

[TheCracker]

So you can identify wine visually?

I don't need to. Others have already stated online that grape juice doesn't act in the glass in the same way that the liquid in that glass is seen to. Doesn't matter though, he's already stated that he drinks wine in communion.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't need to. Others have already stated online that grape juice doesn't act in the glass in the same way that the liquid in that glass is seen to. Doesn't matter though, he's already stated that he drinks wine in communion.

So that's a communion picture?

 

[Touring Mars]

FAKE WINE!

 

[Danoff]

more like whine amiright?

 

[Pupik]

So you can identify wine visually?

Seriously...Who goes through the trouble of drinking Welch's Grape Juice out of a ridiculous vessel like a wine glass?

The only thing more clumsy to drink out of is either a champagne flute or a racing driver's boot.

 

[Joey D]

Seriously...Who goes through the trouble of drinking Welch's Grape Juice out of a ridiculous vessel like a wine glass?

Mormons.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Seriously...Who goes through the trouble of drinking Welch's Grape Juice out of a ridiculous vessel like a wine glass?

The only thing more clumsy to drink out of is either a champagne flute or a racing driver's boot.

Just raising the possibility. I sont know if he drinks or not and dont care if he does either, but there is so much fake news on the internetz these days I wouldnt draw any concluaions from that image. My sister-in-law does drink grape juice out of a wine glass as does my nephew, at Thanksgiving and Christmas. She started that when he was small so that he could drink his own "wine" just like the grown ups.

 

[Famine]

My sister-in-law does drink grape juice out of a wine glass as does my nephew, at Thanksgiving and Christmas. She started that when he was small so that he could drink his own "wine" just like the grown ups.

Yeah, but Trump isn't a toddler... playing... grown-up...

Hmm.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, but Trump isn't a toddler... playing... grown-up...

Hmm.

My sister-in-law is 52.

 

[Danoff]

Trump pissed off the entire Muslim world with his brilliant action, and yet he is convinced that the US embassy will become a sign of peace.

After that, a bit to think about:

2 decades of talks haven't solved anything and didn't bring peace any closer.

He might have a point there. Perhaps this will spark a different mindset in that religious cesspool we call the Middle East.

But a bit more realistic, less hopeful, thinking tells us that the only things that will probably spark are the fuses on the bombs.

Trump's move is, I suspect, destined to divert attention from other issues that displease him. That he is throwing fuel into a fire, as @Dennisch wrote, and that such a move might cause more death and pain in and around Israel, isn't important.

I don't care much about Trump or indeed if the American political system is capable of dealing with the "stress test" that is his presidency. America's problem, of their own creation, therefore theirs to solve. But it annoys me that this move is perfect for extremists from all sides. And it annoys me to see Turkey drifting further and further away from its alliances with the western democracies. That summit about Syria between Putin, Erdogan and Rouhani is probably only a sign of what's happening behind curtains in international diplomacy. But only clever diplomacy will stop this from growing into something that will recreate the "us" and the "them" that existed until the fall of the Soviet Union.

International diplomacy is facing great challenges now. Turkey and Iran concerting their agendas in the Middle East is something completely new. And to make maters even more complex, one is a NATO member and the other is constantly being menaced by the USA. Regarding Europe, Iran is less seen as a foe, but diplomatic relations with Turkey are at an all time low due to the loss of democracy this latest version of Erdogan means.

Amidst all this (and I'm not even mentioning Korea and China, another chessboard entirely) Trump announces the USA accepts Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Great move.

I don't see an argument for the US embassy being anywhere other than where Israel wants it. Can someone make that argument?

 

[Dennisch]

I don't see an argument for the US embassy being anywhere other than where Israel wants it. Can someone make that argument?

The argument isn't about the embassy. It's that Jerusalem now all of the sudden gets the recognition as capital city.

The funny bit in Trump's words is that he thinks that the embassy becomes a sign of peace.

 

[Dotini]

I don't see an argument for the US embassy being anywhere other than where Israel wants it. Can someone make that argument?

The US is already strongly committed to supporting Israel, and protecting them from any UN resolutions. It’s long been difficult for the Palestinian leadership - and Arabs in general - to trust the US to be an impartial moderator for peace efforts. Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital has probably ended that entirely. Accordingly, any remaining hope for peace in the Middle East nears the end. You can anticipate a widening and intensification of the conflicts in the Middle East. In addition to your existing popcorn futures, you may wish to add munitions manufacturers to your portfolio.

 

[Dennisch]

In addition to your existing popcorn futures, you may wish to add munitions manufacturers to your portfolio.

I want you guys to invest in concrete. If **** goes down even more we need a big wall around the area to stop Europe from being flooded yet again.

 

[Danoff]

The argument isn't about the embassy. It's that Jerusalem now all of the sudden gets the recognition as capital city.

The funny bit in Trump's words is that he thinks that the embassy becomes a sign of peace.

The US is already strongly committed to supporting Israel, and protecting them from any UN resolutions. It’s long been difficult for the Palestinian leadership - and Arabs in general - to trust the US to be an impartial moderator for peace efforts. Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital has probably ended that entirely. Accordingly, any remaining hope for peace in the Middle East nears the end. You can anticipate a widening and intensification of the conflicts in the Middle East. In addition to your existing popcorn futures, you may wish to add munitions manufacturers to your portfolio.

Why would we not recognize Jerusalem as the capital city of Israel? That doesn't seem like it's really our call.

 

[Famine]

It's that Jerusalem now all of the sudden gets the recognition as capital city.

Candidate Obama stated that Jerusalem "must remain the capital of Israel, and must remain undivided" in a speech to AINAC in 2008.

 

[Dennisch]

Why would we not recognize Jerusalem as the capital city of Israel? That doesn't seem like it's really our call.

Because ehm:



Jewish restaurant in Amsterdam vs Man with baseball bat and Palestinian flag. You can also see the police showing their might by letting the guy destroy windows, a door and letting him enter the restaurant.

Apparently there are people out there, and most of them get a stiffy from a certain religous book, who don't really like the idea of Jerusalem being the capital city of a Jewish state.

Candidate Obama stated that Jerusalem "must remain the capital of Israel, and must remain undivided" in a speech to AINAC in 2008.

Thanks Obama?

 

[Dotini]

Why would we not recognize Jerusalem as the capital city of Israel?

Who do you mean by "we"?