America - The Official Thread

[UKMikey]

Well, is it being observed?

FGS... I've provided supporting links in every one of my posts. I seem to be alone in this regard.

 

[Dotini]

Here's a report that says America could, in some cases, lose a war to Russia or China, and that the situation in North Korea lacks satisfactory answers. This is said to justify increased spending. (Personally, I disagree with all these statements.)
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/09/us-...e-next-war-to-russia-or-china-warns-rand.html

 

[Johnnypenso]

That's pretty ironic since you were the one who cherry picked the decisions which paint the UN in such a terrible light. I didn't choose which ones to focus on. The idea of the United Nations is that we're all stuck on the same planet with countries which may or may not vote the way we would like but with whom we have to learn to compromise. That's why Mugabe was deselected as goodwill ambassador, or does that somehow not count?

It's not cherry picking, they are examples. I have a million more examples of U.N. incompetence if you need them. The idea of the U.N. is an international country club where quite often proclamations are more important than real action, corruption is rampant and "dignitaries" ride around in limousines eating caviar and drinking champagne while people are starved and slaughtered right under their noses. The fact that Mugabe was selected in the first place is a joke, given the facts that you present in that link. The reversal of the decision is only to save face after overwhelming international condemnation of Mugabe's appointment. Everyone is sorry when they get caught with their pants down, not sure I'd be pointing to the U.N. pulling their collective pants up as a positive thing.

 

[KungFury]

FGS... I've provided supporting links in every one of my posts. I seem to be alone in this regard.

Do you need links that clearly show who controls Jerusalem? It's not a third party that's for sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eech-wont-change-that/?utm_term=.5e39ee75a5e4

https://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/basic10_eng.htm

I wonder how many people realize the U.S. has a law in effect since 1995 supporting the Jerusalem Capital. Thanks a lot Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Woo, I'm all linked out

 

[TenEightyOne]

Do you need links that clearly show who controls Jerusalem? It's not a third party that's for sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eech-wont-change-that/?utm_term=.5e39ee75a5e4

https://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/basic10_eng.htm

Slow handclap... this is kind of what people are getting at. Despite the agreements Israel have militarily occupied Jerusalem and virtually treat the whole city as Israeli territory.

I wonder how many people realize the U.S. has a law in effect since 1995 supporting the Jerusalem Capital. Thanks a lot Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Most people, I would think, you're the one to whom the situation seems to be new news.

No president has ever enacted the terms of law as they viewed it to be executive interference, and the relocation terms expired a few years after the act was passed. Trump's approach to foreign diplomacy is clearly very different, as we've seem before.

 

[UKMikey]

It's not cherry picking, they are examples. I have a million more examples of U.N. incompetence if you need them. The idea of the U.N. is an international country club where quite often proclamations are more important than real action, corruption is rampant and "dignitaries" ride around in limousines eating caviar and drinking champagne while people are starved and slaughtered right under their noses.

Just pointing out that they were your examples not mine. The UN may be flawed but it's all we've got at the moment as far as an international consensus of opinion is concerned. I don't think a Pax Trumpiana would be internationally recognised enough to last but I guess we'll find out at the next peace talks between Israel and Palestine.

Do you need links that clearly show who controls Jerusalem? It's not a third party that's for sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eech-wont-change-that/?utm_term=.5e39ee75a5e4

https://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/basic10_eng.htm

I wonder how many people realize the U.S. has a law in effect since 1995 supporting the Jerusalem Capital. Thanks a lot Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Woo, I'm all linked out

Thanks for providing proof of what we already knew and what I and @Liquid pointed out in earlier posts. It'd be a compelling argument if you were saying that the US doesn't care. However what you were saying above was that nobody cares. That's what we've been trying to argue against. Whether or not it matters may be up to opinion but your links don't contradict mine.

 

[KungFury]

Perhaps reality is not a term in the liberal dictionary. None of this is new or news to me, but maybe I'm amazed some think what the U.N. has to say on the matter amounts to a hill of beans.

I applaud my President for his pragmatic behavior and I'm not concerned in the least what a bunch of rowdy rebellious so called Muslims think about it. The only concern might be Iran but I don't think they really want a direct tangle.

Business as usual from a U.S. standpoint.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Business as usual from a U.S. standpoint.

Quite.

 

[KungFury]

Saw the post after, so.

However what you were saying above was that nobody cares.

To what end? The U.S. and Israel are hardly worried.

 

[UKMikey]

To what end? The U.S. and Israel are hardly worried.

The hawkish leadership maybe.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/7/sheldon-whitehouse-calls-jerusalem-decision-a-poli/

http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Refo...S-embassy-move-to-Jerusalem-at-present-517196

They seem pretty worried to me. All of which ignores the international opinion we've been discussing. I guess time will tell whose view of reality will prevail.

 

[KungFury]

They seem pretty worried to me. All of which ignores the international opinion we've been discussing.

The peace process has not gained any ground in forever, being afraid that it won't in the future is funny. The international opinion will matter only when someone steps up and actually does something.

Trump is right on this one, lets move on already from this WWII relic.

 

[UKMikey]

The peace process has not gained any ground in forever, being afraid that it won't in the future is funny. The international opinion will matter only when someone steps up and actually does something.

Trump is right on this one, lets move on already from this WWII relic.

That dumpster fire down the hallway isn't going out any time soon, let's go and pour a bucket of petrol on it. At least I've done something.

 

[KungFury]

That dumpster fire down the hallway isn't going out any time soon, let's go and pour a bucket of petrol on it. At least I've done something.

Yup, move right along by burning it out as quickly as possible. No one is going to care and that is what I've been saying. U.N. votes do not count in my book.

Tell me who cares and how far they will get because I'm not seeing it in any way shape or form. Besides maybe Iran which I already said.

 

[UKMikey]

Yup, move right along by burning it out as quickly as possible. No one is going to care and that is what I've been saying. U.N. votes do not count in my book.

Tell me who cares and how far they will get because I'm not seeing it in any way shape or form. Besides maybe Iran which I already said.

I don't know how far they will get but the last couple of pages are full of people caring. You're projecting your own opinion onto the rest of the world. Making things worse will not make things better.

 

[KungFury]

My opinion is based on the history, I project nothing.

Keeping a thorn in the side is fine with me tbh, go go Palestine, I don't care one inch for world order, at all. I simply see what I see and until someone shows an actual care I will continue to state what I see as fact...

No one cares if the U.S. puts it's embassy in Jerusalem. Let's wait and see, it's prolly gonna take another 10 years anyway lol.

 

[Dotini]

Trump is not going to be president forever. He's trying to fulfill as many campaign promises as possible, come hell or high water. Which is probably going to arrive next spring, when we attack and invade North Korea.

 

[KungFury]

Trump is not going to be president forever. He's trying to fulfill as many campaign promises as possible, come hell or high water. Which is probably going to arrive next spring, when we attack and invade North Korea.

Do you believe that or did you make a drunkin bar room bet?

 

[Dotini]

Do you believe that or did you make a drunkin bar room bet?

It's logical.
Neither Russia nor China is going to oppose us. North Korea now poses an existential threat to the continental United States. Trump is a realist with militarist proclivities. His #1 job is to provide for the defense of the nation so that we can enjoy peace, freedom and prosperity. Assuming he has the support of the joint chiefs and the military in general, he will do it.

That said, I don't want to believe it. I would prefer to believe some kind of harmless, happy-talk lie over an ugly truth. And I'm going to steadfastly live my life in all its indulgent fantasies right up until the day the feces impact the fan.

 

[Dennisch]

The Arab League cares because they held an emergency meeting and are thinking of sanctions against the US to put pressure on them.

 

[KungFury]

The Arab League cares because they held an emergency meeting and are thinking of sanctions against the US to put pressure on them.

The U.S. consumers gobble up 25% of what the entire world sells per year, if those sanctions include oil sales I'd be all for it as we have more than enough here anyway.

At least they are showing some sincerity.

 

[Imari]

North Korea now poses an existential threat to the continental United States.

It doesn't really, any more than Cuba ever did. However, it's a convenient boogeyman for a president who feels the needs to make sure the whole world understands what a big, hard man he is with a truly enormous member. It's huge. Everyone says so.

 

[UKMikey]

I don't care one inch for world order, at all. I simply see what I see and until someone shows an actual care I will continue to state what I see as fact...

I agree with all three of these statements. I see them at odds with actual reality though. I and others can continue to post examples of people saying it's a bad idea and you'll continue to ignore them so it's not worth arguing further since you're not able to back your opinion up and will ignore all evidence to the contrary. *shrugs* It's a bit like arguing with a flat earth denier, sooner or later you just have to shake your head and walk away.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why the 🤬 did they ask him to crawl towards them? He was face down, legs crossed, hands behind his head with several guns pointing at him. All of those police officers should be fired for being so incompetent at arresting someone, it's almost as if they were looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

Cause Arizona is a stupid place at times, don't ever come here, just stay away.

 

[PeterJB]

If Trump was a five-star general before becoming President like several others were and not a glorified real estate agent then maybe I could trust him with this.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just pointing out that they were your examples not mine. The UN may be flawed but it's all we've got at the moment as far as an international consensus of opinion is concerned. I don't think a Pax Trumpiana would be internationally recognised enough to last but I guess we'll find out at the next peace talks between Israel and Palestine.

Trump is flawed but he's the only President the U.S. has at the moment. I'm guessing that logic wouldn't convince you to accept his decisions and start quoting Trump logic as a point of reference. We'll have to agree to disagree about the U.N. and move along.

If Trump was a five-star general before becoming President like several others were and not a glorified real estate agent then maybe I could trust him with this.

And who would you trust? A university professor and professional politician? Career politicians? Former actors who became politicians? Peanut farmers?

 

[Imari]

If Trump was a five-star general before becoming President like several others were and not a glorified real estate agent then maybe I could trust him with this.

More like if Trump wasn't an egomaniacal moron who was more concerned with his own self-image than with the well-being of the country and people he was elected to lead.

 

[PeterJB]

And who would you trust? A university professor and professional politician? Career politicians? Former actors who became politicians? Peanut farmers?

Someone with some basic knowledge of foreign policy or military leadership would be a good place to start.

 

[photonrider]

There's been an explosion near Times Square. Anyone know what is happening?

 

[Liquid]

There's been an explosion near Times Square. Anyone know what is happening?

Unconfirmed reported to be a pipe bomb at or near the Port Authority bus station. A suspect has apparently been arrested.

 

[photonrider]

FDNY reporting 4 injuries at this time (including the suspect.) Could have been much worse - there is pretty much zero vetting for weapons in and out of that terminal - not really like getting into an airport for instance. Hope that this is not the beginning of the usual pattern - this sort of chaos creator sometimes get set off like sympathetic detonation - one starts, the others all come out of hiding.