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Yeah to think some americzns would want socialist systems like european countries all have... dumb kids can't they see socialism gives you the possibility to not go bankrupt if you're diagnosed with cancer. Or that if the USA has socialism like europe people who are temporarily out of a job do not have to starve to death.
What asshole would want that. Keeping people alive due to taxes on your hard earned money. If the USA asks for taxes it can only be for 2 things. Either to kill people (military industrial complex) or to give handouts to multinationals.
/sarcasm
Now to be serious for a second, do you really believe every democratic socialist government is as **** as venezuela? If not why should people be as scared of socialism?
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The left is attempting to run America via the following institutions:
- Coastal state, county and municipal governments
- Academic institutions such as colleges, universities and think tanks
- Media including television, social media, Hollywood and what's left of the printed press
Yes, many of our erstwhile allies are PO'd due to their free lunches being cut off.
Yes, there's a lively cultural battle being waged. We don't really know where it's all going. All the above is going on in the margins of a vibrant economy and a stable, healthy representative democracy. You can look upon it as the glass half full, or half empty, as you wish. Either way, it's American-style peace, freedom, opportunity and democracy, leading the way and doing it better than everyone else.
@ryzno You gotta love Venezuela, the leftist gift to the world that keeps on giving its crystal clear vision of the future. And TDS is the most delightful gift since Laurel & Hardy and Buster Keaton went off the air. Celebrate and enjoy!
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Pretty much sums it up IMO. The left have a stranglehold of just about every avenue for accessing the hearts and minds of the populace in the U.S. and yet still can't win a general election, either house or most of the governorships.The left is attempting to run America via the following institutions:
- Coastal state, county and municipal governments
- Academic institutions such as colleges, universities and think tanks
- Media including television, social media, Hollywood and what's left of the printed press
Yes, many of our erstwhile allies are PO'd due to their free lunches being cut off.
Yes, there's a lively cultural battle being waged. We don't really know where it's all going. All the above is going on in the margins of a vibrant economy and a stable, healthy representative democracy. You can look upon it as the glass half full, or half empty, as you wish. Either way, it's American-style peace, freedom, opportunity and democracy, leading the way and doing it better than everyone else.
@ryzno You gotta love Venezuela, the leftist gift to the world that keeps on giving its crystal clear vision of the future. And TDS is the most delightful gift since Laurel & Hardy and Buster Keaton went off the air. Celebrate and enjoy!
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It goes to show. Never underestimate the power of the proletariat.
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on but off topic here. I Think the canning of affirmative action is bad for America. Many black Americans were not brought up in the top echelon, less fortunate to have quality health care, nutrition and quality of life. Throughout trans-gressional history, the American land was not granted to blacks as the way it was stolen on a silver platter by White colonists. Yes, Americans all live in an free equal rights society but not free from bigotry, racial profiling and religious prejudice when it comes to peaceful living and job opportunities. Affirmative action is designed to give opportunities for more blacks to be accepted into higher educational programs in order to improve the overall quality of life for black Americans; and I think it has been improving well. opponents of this action say it is racist against whites; while at the same time they acknowledge the racial disparities among blacks by classifying blacks as uneducated, criminals or being left at the bottom of the racial totem poll. If this is the case why is Affirmative action such a bad thing? are they really getting rid of a racists action or are they actually weakening diversity for the Black or Native American progress even further to incite more racism and bigotry towards them?
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Is it fair that white or Asian or Muslim or any other group of students should have a lessor chance at an available slot at their university of choice so we can make room for someone whose marks aren't quite up to scratch? Shouldn't we evaluate everyone by the same criteria? Should middle class AA's benefit from AA? Is there no alternative for AA students that doesn't involve taking positions away from more qualified applicants?
There might be but the first ones I can think of are all socialist ideas and then the right uses the it's my money they're getting educated with argument.
For example free schooling (including.college) decent childsupport, social security, public healthcare system that's affordable,... all ideas that would help without affirmative action but almost all ideas I've seen a lot of rightwingers rally against.
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They got more votes, too bad you think it was from dead people or illegals, lol. Unless you want to go with the participation trophy known as the EC
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It is an effective solution to get a well educated population, it's non-discriminatory and in my opinion the right thing to do. But yeah that last part is opinion
I don't know how common it is for people to stop after highschool in america due to they need to get money in the bank as college is too expensive anyway. But I haven't heard that argument in belgium ever as it's largely payed by government. So I think it would just be the right thing to do.
On the other hand would you be ok paying the education of the small pzrcentage alone or would that be discriminatory?
Also do you have other ideas then the ones I.m mentioned. I'm just interested
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Pretty sure we have an affirmative action thread. No, additional racism is not the answer. And someone forgot to hand me my plot of land for being white.
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In spite of not having free education for all, the U.S. ranks sixth in the world in terms of post secondary education levels according to the OECD ahead of the following:It is an effective solution to get a well educated population, it's non-discriminatory and in my opinion the right thing to do. But yeah that last part is opinion
I don't know how common it is for people to stop after highschool in america due to they need to get money in the bank as college is too expensive anyway. But I haven't heard that argument in belgium ever as it's largely payed by government. So I think it would just be the right thing to do.
On the other hand would you be ok paying the education of the small pzrcentage alone or would that be discriminatory?
Also do you have other ideas then the ones I.m mentioned. I'm just interested
Every country in the entire world except for Canada, U.K. Japan, Israel, Korea. So that includes the entirety of the EU but one and every other country in the world that has "free" education.
Can you explain this apparent discrepancy? The rate in Belgium is a full 8% below the U.S. in absolute terms by the way.
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Except for the "free" education for all that we have up until University.
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Thanks for the information. Well I can't to be honnest or at least not with certainty.
What could be a reason is that this payed education is 'new' my father only went to school until 14 and my mother was not allowed to go to college due to finances as it wasn't as much funded back in those days. These things could have an effect but again I don't know. Again thanks for the info.
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Electoral College...
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Another factor could be how vocational study is defined.
While further/higher education has direct parallels across countries (in many cases as an organised agreement - such as international recognition), vocational studies are much less of an area of agreed standard.
Given the study includes vocational study, what is include for one country (i.e. considered vocation study) could well be delivery more informally (but to a potentially similar standard) and not considered vocational study.
To piggy back onto that, another thing that British and American University's prosper from is the fact that they are based in English speaking countries. It is a huge boost to your CV if you come from a non-English speaking nation to have studied in one.
Many Uni's in the UK benefit from this massively and I'd imagine American one's do too.
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Surely if you're going to treat a situation as if the sky is falling, you could bother to learn the who/what/when/where/why first?
And she didn't run on socialism, she ran on democratic socialism. But don't let a pesky, insignificant distinction like public versus private ownership of businesses get in the way of your scaremongering.
If that's true, then I'd say we have the GOP to thank, seeing as they control just about everything at the moment.
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Turns out that gerrymandering and attacking voting rights from every possible direction are pretty effective tactics.
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Come on man... I don't care what her name is. Democratic or not that is not what this country was founded on. So yeah, the left is trying to destroy America.
Oh and @Scaff some girl is a lot nicer than social media is treating her.
Theres a funny picture of her with her eyes bugged out.
Looks as delusional as her campaign promises lol.
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This country was founded on the idea that the people should be able to decide for themselves how they are governed, so if the majority starts voting for democratic socialism, well, then that would make democratic socialism exactly what this country was founded on.
But that wasn't really the point. You came in here hollering about a girl running on "socialism bs," and that's simply not true. Democratic socialism, and actual socialism that prompts right-wing scaremongering like what you just came in here doing, are not the same thing. I'll make what I know to be a pointless suggestion that you go and read up on those differences, before you continue to declare that some of your fellow citizens want to "destroy America."
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Its really not, but then you seem to have a very odd idea about what the left is, and also seem to be advocating for a single party system based on what you believe America was founded on?
That's going to be entirely dependent on your social media, which isn't all social media.
Odd that the right keep banging on about civility - just throwing that out there.
I've read them, they are far from delusional, most are actually supported by the majority of Americans asked about them.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a21985697/sean-hannity-democratic-platform-ocasio-cortez/
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That's probably why both Republicans and Democrats take advantage of gerrymandering when they get the chance. It was especially effective for the Southern Democrats, for example, for the nearly full century from Reconstruction into the 1960's where they used it to restrict the voting impact of African Americans that actually were able to get registered to vote, something the Southern Democrats worked hard to prevent for 100 years. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was a bold step in attempting to stop the Southern Democrats from oppressing the African American minority, a bill which passed the Senate with 30/32 Republican votes and 8x more Democrats than Republicans voting in against the legislation. In fact, even though the Democrats held nearly 2/3 of the seats in the Senate, they didn't have enough votes to pass the bill and it was the more than 90% Republican support that carried the day. In the House the situation was similar with more than twice as many Democrats voting against it as Republicans.
A little history lesson gerrymandering a day after Independence Day.
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The country also wasn't founded on what the Republicans are currently peddling either. Just look at Trump, I'm not sure he knows what the Constitution is. If he did, he'd know he can't impose tariffs or start a war without Congress' approval (among other things).
Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same, neither one of them understand the Constitution or the founding principals of the country. At while I don't agree with democratic socialists, at least they aren't trying to pretend they want to follow the Constitution, unlike the two main US parties.
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So before the Republicans and Democrats effectively swapped political positions it was a Democrat issue?
So basically its always been the trend of the party of the right to try and limit the voting rights of those they wish to 'other;.
