America - The Official Thread

[ryzno]

Its really not, but then you seem to have a very odd idea about what the left is, and also seem to be advocating for a single party system based on what you believe America was founded on?


That's going to be entirely dependent on your social media, which isn't all social media.


Odd that the right keep banging on about civility - just throwing that out there.


I've read them, they are far from delusional, most are actually supported by the majority of Americans asked about them.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a21985697/sean-hannity-democratic-platform-ocasio-cortez/

And I think they are idiots.
No ICE, open border, free housing...
We've already watched states tried that and failed.
Stupidity repeats itself...
I'm not scaremongering. I'm gonna be sitting back and laughing saying to myself told you all it'd fail.

 

[huskeR32]

Southern Democrats

Southern Democrats

Southern Democrats

As has been pointed out ad nauseam in this thread, comparing the two parties of today to the two parties of the 1960s is folly, which your use of this term over and over shows you understand perfectly well.

 

[Scaff]

And I think they are idiots.
No ICE,

Nope - a replacement or reformed

open border,

Nope, that's not what it says

free housing...

Nope, housing as a right doesn't have to mean free housing.

We've already watched states tried that and failed.

What stuff you've incorrectly attributed to someone else.

Stupidity repeats itself...
I'm not scaremongering. I'm gonna be sitting back and laughing saying to myself told you all it'd fail.

Here's the thing, you've set up a strawman, so its actually a load of tosh.

As has been said repeatedly, learn the difference between between what you think this is and what it actually is.

 

[ryzno]

But little boy, isn't she a woman?

No. I bet you're smaller than me, so check yourself. You wouldn't say that to my face.

 

[Biggles]

Come on man... I don't care what her name is. Democratic or not that is not what this country was founded on. So yeah, the left is trying to destroy America.
Oh and @Scaff some girl is a lot nicer than social media is treating her.
Theres a funny picture of her with her eyes bugged out.
Looks as delusional as her campaign promises lol.

Well ... when the US was founded only 6% of the population had the right to vote (only property-owning white males). For the following 80+ years a large chunk of the population were enslaved, officially sanctioned by the various branches of government. A long term campaign of genocidal aggression was carried out to remove or kill the indigenous peoples who occupied the land before the arrival of Europeans. Graft, corruption, child labour, blatant racial & ethnic discrimination ... these were all characteristics of the US in the century following the founding of the US.

So ... yes, progressive ideas have gradually improved life for the vast majority of Americans.

 

[baldgye]

No. I bet you're smaller than me, so check yourself. You wouldn't say that to my face.

So which girl are you talking about?

Also, how would we be able to ‘check’ if you where indeed taller than me, you don’t know how tall I don’t care how tall you are?

 

[ryzno]

Nope - a replacement or reformed


Nope, that's not what it says


Nope, housing as a right doesn't have to mean free housing.


What stuff you've incorrectly attributed to someone else.


Here's the thing, you've set up a strawman, so its actually a load of tosh.

As has been said repeatedly, learn the difference between between what you think this is and what it actually is.

Section 8 is a huge failure.
Look at the neighborhoods. Not to mention how it gets used and abused by applicants everyday.

 

[Scaff]

No. I bet you're smaller than me, so check yourself. You wouldn't say that to my face.

Are you seriously that insecure?

Just to clarify - I don't give a toss if you're bigger that me or not, face to face meeting or not - attempts to bully others is a sign of weakness regardless of how you feel your physical prowess can be used to intimidate others. If that's the point you've got to, then I think you know yourself that your argument doesn't hold ground.

Section 8 is a huge failure.
Look at the neighborhoods. Not to mention how it gets used and abused by applicants everyday.

Good to see you decry the market lead approach that causes such systems to become bloated and un-sustainable The answer lies in state built and maintained, social housing.

 

[Danoff]

Well ... when the US was founded only 6% of the population had the right to vote (only property-owning white males). For the following 80+ years a large chunk of the population were enslaved, officially sanctioned by the various branches of government. A long term campaign of genocidal aggression was carried out to remove or kill the indigenous peoples who occupied the land before the arrival of Europeans. Graft, corruption, child labour, blatant racial & ethnic discrimination ... these were all characteristics of the US in the century following the founding of the US.

So ... yes, progressive ideas have gradually improved life for the vast majority of Americans.

I don't see why we need to lump the notion of not having slaves, "genocidal aggression", and corruption in with socialism.

 

[ryzno]

So which girl are you talking about?

Also, how would we be able to ‘check’ if you where indeed taller than me, you don’t know how tall I don’t care how tall you are?

You're being a smartass you click my avatar and you'll clearly see I'm male.
6ft 190lb outdoor worker in GA heat. What you working with?

Are you seriously that insecure?

Just to clarify - I don't give a toss if you're bigger that me or not, face to face meeting or not - attempts to bully others is a sign of weakness regardless of how you feel your physical prowess can be used to intimidate others. If that's the point you've got to, then I think you know yourself that your argument doesn't hold ground.


Good to see you decry the market lead approach that causes such systems to become bloated and un-sustainable The answer lies in state built and maintained, social housing.

Check who I quoted. Not directed at you... You didn't call me a little boy. Also I wasn't the one who started insulting members...

 

[Scaff]

Check who I quoted. Not directed at you...

Its a public forum, I will reply to what I like.

Want to act like a bully, don't moan when you get called out for doing so.

Quite frankly as a grown man you're now just embarrassing yourself.

 

[baldgye]

You're being a smartass you click my avatar and you'll clearly see I'm male.
6ft 190lb outdoor worker in GA heat. What you working with?

I’m working with an stance/argument that stands up under mild criticism without having to resort to personal attacks on people

 

[Joey D]

Section 8 is a huge failure.
Look at the neighborhoods. Not to mention how it gets used and abused by applicants everyday.

I'm not sure what section 8 housing looks like where you're at, but in Salt Lake they're just apartment buildings that look like every other apartment building spread out through the valley. There's even some in the area I live in, and I live in a pretty fantastic neighborhood. It was the same thing when I lived in Michigan too.

 

[baldgye]

Its a public forum, I will reply to what I like.

Want to act like a bully, don't moan when you get called out for doing so.

Quite frankly as a grown man you're now just embarrassing yourself.

To be fair, it’s not common knowledge that I was in the same SAS squad as David Davis.

 

[Johnnypenso]

So before the Republicans and Democrats effectively swapped political positions it was a Democrat issue?

So basically its always been the trend of the party of the right to try and limit the voting rights of those they wish to 'other;.

Nope. It's always been a trend of American politics for the party in power to use the system to their advantage to gain whatever advantage they can in terms of winning elections. To suggest that Republicans use gerrymandering to win elections ignores that fact that it's both a Democrat and Republican practice throughout history. I do recall you more than once calling out posters who only brought out one side of an issue so I'm just following in your footsteps.

As has been pointed out ad nauseam in this thread, comparing the two parties of today to the two parties of the 1960s is folly, which your use of this term over and over shows you understand perfectly well.

I know you'd like to pretend history didn't happen because it doesn't fit your narrative but I feel it's important to understand history so we don't repeat it. I used it as an example, exemplified by the word "example" in my response, and clearly introduced some balance to the discussion by clearly stating that gerrymandering is an issue for both the Democrats and Republicans. I suspect that if I had used a Republican "example" you wouldn't have had the same objection.

Nope, as my point was (and remains) that you will find extremists on both sides, and that its not limited to one.

 

[ryzno]

I’m working with an stance/argument that stands up under mild criticism without having to resort to personal attacks on people

My argument is valid. Y'all are blind to what's happening. YOU started the personal attack. She's not a member here and calling her a girl is far from insulting. Y'all just ain't got nothing better to do...

 

[Famine]

You didn't call me a little boy. Also I wasn't the one who started insulting members...

Did you spot the part where the member you're currently puffing your chest up said "but little boy, isn't she a woman" in response to an apparently 32-year old man repeatedly referring to a 28-year old woman, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as a girl?

Only it strikes me that if you're so offended by being called "boy" that you start asserting your physical prowess (incidentally, I'm 2 inches shorter, but 20lb heavier; FITE ME 1V1), perhaps you shouldn't be calling other people "girl".

Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik.

My argument is valid. Y'all are blind to what's happening. YOU started the personal attack. She's not a member here and calling her a girl is far from insulting. Y'all just ain't got nothing better to do...

Find in the AUP where it says that you must not be insulting only to other members.

That aside, if you're looking to have your points taken seriously, perhaps you should avoid being insulting regardless of this site's AUP. It's a sort of general behaviour thing...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Its a public forum, I will reply to what I like.

Want to act like a bully, don't moan when you get called out for doing so.

Quite frankly as a grown man you're now just embarrassing yourself.

Isn't there a term for responding on the behalf of others? Whiteknighting or something?

 

[TexRex]

Theres a funny picture of her with her eyes bugged out.
Looks as delusional as her campaign promises lol.

You mean someone snapped a picture of someone and that person's critics are using said picture out of context to jab at that individual? No way...

Actually that may not be a fair comparison, because I'm pretty sure I know the picture you're talking about, and its graininess suggests it may be a low resolution still from amateur video taken during her celebration after defeating Joe Crowley. But I suppose anyone can look crazy if you go frame-by-frame in a video featuring them, scanning for a shot that looks crazy.

 

[Scaff]

Nope. It's always been a trend of American politics for the party in power to use the system to their advantage to gain whatever advantage they can in terms of winning elections. To suggest that Republicans use gerrymandering to win elections ignores that fact that it's both a Democrat and Republican practice throughout history. I do recall you more than once calling out posters who only brought out one side of an issue so I'm just following in your footsteps.

And I'm just pointing out that in the example you cited the party in question has now swapped political ideology with the other. So you are effectively arguing that its a trend used mainly by one political ideology, the one currently found within the Republican party.

I know you'd like to pretend history didn't happen because it doesn't fit your narrative but I feel it's important to understand history so we don't repeat it.

Now, now. No need to make stuff up.

I used it as an example, exemplified by the word "example" in my response, and clearly introduced some balance to the discussion by clearly stating that gerrymandering is an issue for both the Democrats and Republicans. I suspect that if I had used a Republican "example" you wouldn't have had the same objection.

Then please feel free to provide more examples, maybe a study that looks at the current areas that have been subject to gerrymandering and who used it?

Isn't there a term for responding on the behalf of others? Whiteknighting or something?

Indeed - its good that you took the time to look it up.

(I do hope you now intend to throw the same at Famine - you know for consistency and all). I do however note that you seem to be tacitly condoning threats of violence in place of resonated discussion. So yes that's the kind of **** I will step up and challenge, and if you have an issue with people who do so, then quite frankly you're a part of the problem and I couldn't give a toss what you think of me in regard to it.

 

[Scaff]

Double Post - Please delete.

 

[ryzno]

Did you spot the part where the member you're currently puffing your chest up said "but little boy, isn't she a woman" in response to an apparently 32-year old man repeatedly referring to a 28-year old woman, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as a girl?

Only it strikes me that if you're so offended by being called "boy" that you start asserting your physical prowess (incidentally, I'm 2 inches shorter, but 20lb heavier; FITE ME 1V1), perhaps you shouldn't be calling other people "girl".

Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik.

Find in the AUP where it says that you must not be insulting only to other members.

That aside, if you're looking to have your points taken seriously, perhaps you should avoid being insulting regardless of this site's AUP. It's a sort of general behaviour thing...

It was the little part. Calling someone under 30 a boy or girl isn't offensive. Calling someone over 30 a little boy is...

 

[baldgye]

Isn't there a term for responding on the behalf of others? Whiteknighting or something?

But don’t worry! ...he’ll get the hugs

 

[TexRex]

Isn't there a term for responding on the behalf of others? Whiteknighting or something?

Keyboard warrior.

 

[Famine]

It was the little part. Calling someone under 30 a boy or girl isn't offensive. Calling someone over 30 a little boy is...

That's a curiously specific and arbitrary line you've drawn for no apparent reason. But it's your line - perhaps to other people, calling someone over 18 a boy or girl is offensive.

If you don't want to be treated how you treat others, don't treat others that way.

 

[baldgye]

It was the little part. Calling someone under 30 a boy or girl isn't offensive. Calling someone over 30 a little boy is...

Why does womanhood start at 30, big boy?

 

[Scaff]

It was the little part. Calling someone under 30 a boy or girl isn't offensive. Calling someone over 30 a little boy is...

You get to define that based on............

That's aside from threatening to fight someone over the internet because of........................reasons and what I can only view as some serious insecurity issues.

 

[ryzno]

That's a curiously specific and arbitrary line you've drawn for no apparent reason. But it's your line - perhaps to other people, calling someone over 18 a boy or girl is offensive.

If you don't want to be treated how you treat others, don't treat others that way.

Show me where I called her a little girl.
He w

You get to define that based on............

That's aside from threatening to fight someone over the internet because of........................reasons and what I can only view as some serious insecurity issues.

I didn't threaten to fight him. I said I bet wouldn't say that to my face.
You know what. Screw this site. I get trolled and I'm having to defend myself. Screw y'all. Wasting my time anyways. I'm on good pace to be done at 1. 20 stops to go!

 

[Joey D]

Oh thank Christ, I'm over 30 now and no longer a boy. Glad I moved on from that status.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And I'm just pointing out that in the example you cited the party in question has now swapped political ideology with the other. So you are effectively arguing that its a trend used mainly by one political ideology, the one currently found within the Republican party.



Now, now. No need to make stuff up.


Then please feel free to provide more examples, maybe a study that looks at the current areas that have been subject to gerrymandering and who used it?



Indeed - its good that you took the time to look it up.

(I do hope you now intend to throw the same at Famine - you know for consistency and all).

Nope. It's an issue for both parties and I don't believe the Republicans have swapped ideologies with the Southern Democrats. You can establish that case if you like. An example is an example, I'm not under any obligation to provide you with more examples to establish your case for you. I said it's a problem on both sides of the aisle and it is. If you want to investigate to prove that your side is completely innocent feel free to do so and prove me wrong.

Indeed - its good that you took the time to look it up.

(I do hope you now intend to throw the same at Famine - you know for consistence and all).

An explanation was sent to me by a kind fellow member. Did Famine also accuse me of whiteknighting while continuously engaging in it himself? Nice dp by the way.