America - The Official Thread

[Joey D]

I admit I was triggered, but only because both me and the guy I was working with have 2 phones so all 4 phones were making annoying sounds at the same time with no way to silence them.

This, but replace 4 phones with nearly a 100 phones all going off around the office floor.

 

[TexRex]

Anyone else get the "Trump alert" today?

Fortunately I was at lunch rather than at the office, but I guess I heard a couple dozen phones go off.

Can't say I saw anyone get "triggered" though; it came through much like an AMBER Alert. The notion strikes me as someone trying to make it seem like a group of people acted in a certain manner by pointing out a couple examples of said behavior, be those examples genuine or manufactured.

 

[McLaren]

I dont think Trump and Clinton are in the same league. Trumps lying have been far more blatant and his message of division and hate doesnt compare with Clinton's policies. He might have been a flawed man, but he was a good president.

Careful there. Even Huffpost once published an article that pointed a finger at Clinton as the foundation layer for Trump's immigration policies.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-ugly-immigration_us_58d96a8ce4b04f2f079271d1

To combat and ultimately destroy Trumpism, we can’t return to Clinton-style neoliberalism.

With the current Ford-Kavanaugh case going on, Clinton is one of the last names the Democrats want brought up right now.

Who are some people who could start to bring the country back together (maybe as president)? Ideally it would be someone tolerable to both sides, even if not exactly loved by either. It will probably need to be somebody notable enough to be taken seriously, but definitely not a celebrity.

John Kasich is one I often see capable of this.
Al Franken ? Idk if he's ever coming back
Joe Biden? Sometimes I think he's too confrontational
Michael Bloomberg?

Man, that's all I got.

As much of a joke as it seems, if Kanye can pull a rabbit out of his behind, literally getting Trump & Kaepernick in the same room and they reach some sort of middle ground, he'll be seen as a visionary. Kanye's problem is he needs someone to properly put his thoughts into words. Otherwise, underneath the controversial claims, he's got a decent message and even his annoying wife has gotten Trump to do 1 good act as President.

I don't think you can hang that one on him. It's true he hasn't helped the situation, but the left and the media had already set the divisive climate.

A lot of this divisiveness was brewing well before Trump, and some of that can't be blamed on the left (or right) at all. Trump's problem is he threw in a whole dollar of an opinion on it and people buckled down even more than come to agreement.

 

[ryzno]

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Fortunately I was at lunch rather than at the office, but I guess I heard a couple dozen phones go off.

Can't say I saw anyone get "triggered" though; it came through much like an AMBER Alert. The notion strikes me as someone trying to make it seem like a group of people acted in a certain manner by pointing out a couple examples of said behavior, be those examples genuine or manufactured.

I didn't even know you posted anything in the status bar. If I saw it, I would have scrolled on by due to the wording.
I'd love to show a few screen-shots of a few friends reactions on FB.(I'd need to Photoshop to many 🤬 things)
A dude actually thinks Trump has his phone number. Funny thing is though, he already has access to anyone's phone number.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Canada has to take one for the team. Grab your hockey gear and invade D.C.

I wonder if the Potomac freezes over completely in the winter. They'd never catch me on skates.

 

[Northstar]

Here is an article with some gems.

That one from the doctor isn't even his dumbest.


Keep in mind this has been in the works since 2007 and the U.S. is actually behind Europe in implementing this system.

 

[TexRex]

A lot of this divisiveness was brewing well before Trump, and some of that can't be blamed on the left (or right) at all. Trump's problem is he threw in a whole dollar of an opinion on it and people buckled down even more than come to agreement.

This. Trump's a product of the division that's been at play for quite some time now, and while it would have been nice if he could bring some much-needed unity rather than maintain the status quo, I don't think that he could or should be expected to do so.

I didn't even know you posted anything in the status bar. If I saw it, I would have scrolled on by due to the wording.

I wasn't trying to suggest you should have seen it and I apologize if I gave you that impression, I was merely offering it in a screenshot to show my reaction, and you well should have scrolled past had you seen it because my remark was intentionally vague...I didn't even explain it after subsequent replies.

I'd love to show a few screen-shots of a few friends reactions on FB.(I'd need to Photoshop to many 🤬 things)
A dude actually thinks Trump has his phone number.

I mean...I'm not about to defend stupidity.

Notifications were made of the pending test well before it was originally scheduled, and then made again when the test had to be postponed.

FEMA's been working on this for a while now, at least since the FCC's WEA implementation in 2008.

 

[McLaren]

Here is an article with some gems.

That one from the doctor isn't even his dumbest.


Keep in mind this has been in the works since 2007 and the U.S. is actually behind Europe in implementing this system.

The guy's entire Twitter is just 1 big bowl of unwillingness. This was a funny thing to see retweeted since he's someone it's directly aimed at.

Fair treatment for the people you like - easy.
Fair treatment for the people you dislike - hard.

Freedom of speech for the people you love - easy.
Freedom of speech for the people you hate - hard.

When it comes to values, easy reveals nothing. Hard reveals everything.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The guy's entire Twitter is just 1 big bowl of unwillingness. This was a funny thing to see retweeted since he's someone it's directly aimed at.

I couldn't resist so I scrolled down his Twitter feed. It reads like the articulate rantings of some enthusiastic but naive Social Justice major from a left wing college. And this guy is an M.D.

 

[McLaren]

I couldn't resist so I scrolled down his Twitter feed. It reads like the articulate rantings of some enthusiastic but naive Social Justice major from a left wing college. And this guy is an M.D.

The highest office in the land acts like an ass most of time on Twitter, so I guess every job is fair play for 1 moron.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The highest office in the land acts like an ass most of time on Twitter, so I guess every job is fair play for 1 moron.

 

[TetsuKobura]

Here is an article with some gems.

That one from the doctor isn't even his dumbest.


Keep in mind this has been in the works since 2007 and the U.S. is actually behind Europe in implementing this system.

Last time I saw this irrelevant person, I think it was leaked that his wife filed some sort of violence charge against him. I guess he decided to crawl out from under his rock.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I guess somewhere deep in the mobile (cell) contract there's a clause that allows the carrier to send system, test or other appropriate messages as they see fit. The title of this test was unfortunate but otherwise I don't see what could be changed.

 

[PocketZeven]

I don't think you can hang that one on him. It's true he hasn't helped the situation, but the left and the media had already set the divisive climate.

That is very easy to debunk. Just look at Trumps presidential campaign. His claim to fame is "lock her up". In my opinion the only reason he won the election. And his twitter rants blaming the "dems" for everything.

There's only 1 thing worse than a murderer? Not sure I can agree with that. What do you think that is?

A Childmolester is the worst of the worst. If any sitting president/Senator or politician gets caught with that, I am 100% sure his/her following will lose any support it had. (except crazy conspiracy theorists)

 

[TexRex]

I guess somewhere deep in the mobile (cell) contract there's a clause that allows the carrier to send system, test or other appropriate messages as they see fit. The title of this test was unfortunate but otherwise I don't see what could be changed.

Users can opt out of most of these, those warning of extreme weather and broadcasting AMBER Alerts anyway, and I've done so because of the manner in which they come through--I literally very nearly got into a car accident with one playing the lead role in events leading up to it.

The only issue I have with it is that it's far more obtrusive than a mere text, but that's the perfect description you've given for the title choice: "unfortunate". I think even a fair point was made regarding the title in that aforementioned Twitter message, and I think it tracks regardless of who is in office. That said, I read something on the subject that had me in a fit of laughter yesterday:

https://www.fastcompany.com/9024578...ial-alerts-you-cant-and-heres-why-thats-legal

But how you feel about national alerts may have a lot to do with how you feel about whoever happens to occupy the White House. Back in 2013, a number of far-right bloggers, including Alex Jones, were up in arms over reports that then President Barack Obama was “loading iPhones with emergency alerts” that you couldn’t opt out of. It took a segment by MSNBC to remind them that the WARN act was passed during the Bush era.

 

[PocketZeven]

Users can opt out of most of these, those warning of extreme weather and broadcasting AMBER Alerts anyway, and I've done so because of the manner in which they come through--I literally very nearly got into a car accident with one playing the lead role in events leading up to it.

The only issue I have with it is that it's far more obtrusive than a mere text, but that's the perfect description you've given for the title choice: "unfortunate". I think even a fair point was made regarding the title in that aforementioned Twitter message, and I think it tracks regardless of who is in office. That said, I read something on the subject that had me in a fit of laughter yesterday:

https://www.fastcompany.com/9024578...ial-alerts-you-cant-and-heres-why-thats-legal

I dont understand all the ruckus around the amber alert? Its benefits far outweight its negatives. Is it the left or right making a big deal out of it?

 

[TexRex]

I dont understand all the ruckus around the amber alert? Its benefits far outweight its negatives. Is it the left or right making a big deal out of it?

To be clear, it wasn't an AMBER (America's Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response) Alert. AMBER Alerts have been referenced because the test was implemented using WEA (Wireless Emergency Alert) protocols that are also implemented for AMBER Alerts.

As for "ruckus" and "big deal", I don't believe either are really the case. It's likely that there are a few vocal (and stupid...don't forget stupid) outliers that are using it to push their chosen narrative.

Beyond that, the most significant result of the test (other than its usefulness as a test to find flaws in the system before it's implemented as inte ded) that I've seen has been in supplying fodder for satire--I particularly enjoyed Colbert's "hack" to circumvent the alert.

 

[PocketZeven]

To be clear, it wasn't an AMBER (America's Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response) Alert. AMBER Alerts have been referenced because the test was implemented using WEA (Wireless Emergency Alert) protocols that are also implemented for AMBER Alerts.

As for "ruckus" and "big deal", I don't believe either are really the case. It's likely that there are a few vocal (and stupid...don't forget stupid) outliers that are using it to push their chosen narrative.

Beyond that, the most significant result of the test (other than its usefulness as a test to find flaws in the system before it's implemented as inte ded) that I've seen has been in supplying fodder for satire--I particularly enjoyed Colbert's "hack" to circumvent the alert.

God do I miss good old newspapers that gave you relevant News.

 

[TetsuKobura]

That is very easy to debunk. Just look at Trumps presidential campaign. His claim to fame is "lock her up". In my opinion the only reason he won the election. And his twitter rants blaming the "dems" for everything.



A Childmolester is the worst of the worst. If any sitting president/Senator or politician gets caught with that, I am 100% sure his/her following will lose any support it had. (except crazy conspiracy theorists)

That statement of yours is also easy to debunk. Trump had a big following from a lot of swing states because Clinton would've been detrimental for blue-collar workers. There was even a few that confronted Clinton over some policies she wanted and she just kind of brushed them off or avoided answering the questions truthfully. People also supported trump because he didn't cave to political correctness, and said things the way they were, without covering it behind a bunch of law speak.

At least we can agree that pedophiles have no place in society.

 

[PocketZeven]

That statement of yours is also easy to debunk. Trump had a big following from a lot of swing states because Clinton would've been detrimental for blue-collar workers. There was even a few that confronted Clinton over some policies she wanted and she just kind of brushed them off or avoided answering the questions truthfully. People also supported trump because he didn't cave to political correctness, and said things the way they were, without covering it behind a bunch of law speak.

At least we can agree that pedophiles have no place in society.

I am 100% sure that if not for the e-mail scandal Trump would not have won the election. And trump did not "say the things how they were" he just made up "alternative" facts, spread fear and lied. The only thing he got going was not speaking in difficult jargon (law speak). This in my view devided the left and the right more then before. After his election he started blaming Obama or the "dems"for everything that wasnt going his way or was wrong in his eyes. He refused to condemn white nationalists and he even blamed the child seperation at the border solely on the democrats.

 

[ryzno]

Turns out Dr. Ford was full of it...
They are set to vote Saturday.

 

[Joey D]

Turns out Dr. Ford was full of it...

Do you have a source for that? Because everything I'm reading says the FBI investigation didn't turn anything up, not that she lied.

 

[ryzno]

Do you have a source for that? Because everything I'm reading says the FBI investigation didn't turn anything up, not that she lied.

No, just my opinion. They said no ones interviews lined up with hers. So all 20+ people lied or she lied.

 

[PocketZeven]

Turns out Dr. Ford was full of it...
They are set to vote Saturday.

How do you conclude that? Neither Kavanaugh, Ford or all the witnesses who volunteered last week claiming that Kavanaugh lied, were interviewed for this Report. The FBI investigation was directed by the whitehouse to be limited in scope purposely. We might never know the truth now.

 

[Joey D]

No, just my opinion. They said no ones interviews lined up with hers. So all 24 people lied or she lied.

An opinion that you presented as a fact.

I'm not surprised things didn't line up. Based on the initial story, it was a party where people were drinking over 30 years ago. Chances are no one is going to remember details from that.

The evidence was always going to be weak since it did happen so long ago opposed to say a year ago. Just because the FBI didn't find anything in less than a week doesn't mean Ford lied. It just means that in a rather quick investigation, of something that supposedly took place over 30 years ago, nothing was proven...which no one really should be shocked about.

Like I said before, I'm inclined to believe it did happen and I'm inclined to believe Kavanaugh is the type of person to do something like that. However, without evidence, there's nothing that can be done.

 

[TexRex]

No, just my opinion.

The words you used previously...

Turns out Dr. Ford was full of it...

...conflict with that particular notion.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/as-it-is-as-it-turns-out

used for saying what the situation really is when something different might have happened

Not the best idiom to employ, as it turns out.

 

[PocketZeven]

An opinion that you presented as a fact.

I'm not surprised things didn't line up. Based on the initial story, it was a party where people were drinking over 30 years ago. Chances are no one is going to remember details from that.

The evidence was always going to be weak since it did happen so long ago opposed to say a year ago. Just because the FBI didn't find anything in less than a week doesn't mean Ford lied. It just means that in a rather quick investigation, of something that supposedly took place over 30 years ago, nothing was proven...which no one really should be shocked about.

Like I said before, I'm inclined to believe it did happen and I'm inclined to believe Kavanaugh is the type of person to do something like that. However, without evidence, there's nothing that can be done.

Based on his statement last week I would have already not voted for him for any lifetime appointment. Not because he was innocent/guilty but he stumbled upon every question about his alcohol consumption and the partisanship he showed. That did not look like a supreme justice to me.

I believe Ford in that she had this experience, but there is simply not enough evidence to be sure.

 

[ryzno]

An opinion that you presented as a fact.

Do I have to go back to putting an opinion disclaimer again? I mean this is the opinions section.

 

[Joey D]

Based on his statement last week I would have already not voted for him for any lifetime appointment. Not because he was innocent/guilty but he stumbled upon every question about his alcohol consumption and the partisanship he showed. That did not look like a supreme justice to me.

I believe Ford in that she had this experience, but there is simply not enough evidence to be sure.

I probably wouldn't vote for him because I'm not convinced he can let his personal view of things go by the wayside to uphold the Constitution - at least from what we know about him. I'm guessing during his interview process, Congress found out more but I'm not seeing anything.

Most notably I don't think he understands the Fourth Amendment. From what I've read of him he was in favor of letting the NSA do its NSA things, like recording phone calls without a warrant. He also said this, according to this article: "the critical national security need outweighs the impact on privacy" when talking about the NSA. That's enough for me not to trust his interpretation of the Constitution.

Also when it comes to abortions, I still firmly believe it has no place in government. It'd be akin to trying to form legislation around knee surgery. It's a medical procedure, let doctors and patients figure it out, then fight with the insurance companies if they don't want to pay. Getting something like that tied up in the courts is a tragic use of tax dollars.

Do I have to go back to putting an opinion disclaimer again? I mean this is the opinions section.

That's up to you. I'm just pointing out that the statement was presented in a factual way instead of an opinionated one.

And most of the stuff said in the opinion form is factual or at least based on source material, that's why there's links included with so many posts.

 

[TetsuKobura]

I am 100% sure that if not for the e-mail scandal Trump would not have won the election. And trump did not "say the things how they were" he just made up "alternative" facts, spread fear and lied. The only thing he got going was not speaking in difficult jargon (law speak). This in my view devided the left and the right more then before. After his election he started blaming Obama or the "dems"for everything that wasnt going his way or was wrong in his eyes. He refused to condemn white nationalists and he even blamed the child seperation at the border solely on the democrats.

How can you be so sure? Clinton didn’t even bother with campaigning seriously in the swing states.

And for the record, he did disavow them, and he even disavowed Duke during that election cycle.