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They even go as far as putting a big ol D on Mike Rogers (R-Michigan) when he introduced the CISPA (cyber intelligence sharing & protection act) back in 2011, hoping their viewers don’t research it, Fox News is full of BS.
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They even go as far as putting a big ol D on Mike Rogers (R-Michigan) when he introduced the CISPA (cyber intelligence sharing & protection act) back in 2011, hoping their viewers don’t research it, Fox News is full of BS.
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How can he still blame the media? Stop lying to the public and I am 100% sure the media will back off.
Which fraululent news is making the media the enemy of the people?
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This video explains exactly what I have been saying in this thread. Try to watch it as impartial as you can. I know vox is mostly liberal, but concentrate on the facts.
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Vox mostly liberal, that's a funny joke, identity politics is their primary game.
They argue the opposite of reality, the left in America has moved soo far left where as republicans are starting to get moderate liberals(and the polling has shown massive strides since 2016 which likely is a result of Bernie Sanders treatment in the DNC Primary, people will not forget that one in a rush).
Pew research data has done extensive polling on this since 1994, simply looking at presidents elected doesn't exactly give you an idea of where the average person is politically.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewr...-mix-of-conservative-and-liberal-views/?amp=1
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How else is he supposed to rally the base?
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Trump wants to end birthright citizenship with an executive order. Uh... what is it with this guy and either not understanding or not caring about the constitution only when it suits him? Of course do I expect a liberal who doesn't give two shakes about the 2nd amendment to come in complaining about Trump wanting to overturn the very important constitution? Yes I do.
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People in Hell want ice water.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...-end-birthright-citizenship-in-u-s-1540901506
Who? Who is saying that?
One quote from that article jumped out at me more than any other:
No kiddin'...
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The thing that strikes me about birthright citizenship is that it's great for the taxman. Gotta collect those tax dollars from diplomatic/scholar children somehow; English gasbag Boris Johnson filed an IRS tax return every year until 2016 because he happened to be born in New York City.
On the same tangent the USA is one of two countries, along with Eritrea, that has permanent fixed income taxes for its citizens worldwide, instead of just those residing in the territory.
On the same tangent the USA is one of two countries, along with Eritrea, that has permanent fixed income taxes for its citizens worldwide, instead of just those residing in the territory.
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Ah, ok, so the constitution is subject to executive orders now. That's cool.
I'm gonna try to follow the logic train on this one.
This will go to the supreme court, if he actually goes through with it. The only way that SCOTUS could rule in favor of the administration is if it invalidates a constitutional amendment....but SCOTUS decides the legality of things based on the constitution, right? If Brett & Neil give the executive branch this power, it will kind of negate congress, and the constitution entirely. What about repealing the first amendment via executive order? Jesus.
I'm gonna try to follow the logic train on this one.
This will go to the supreme court, if he actually goes through with it. The only way that SCOTUS could rule in favor of the administration is if it invalidates a constitutional amendment....but SCOTUS decides the legality of things based on the constitution, right? If Brett & Neil give the executive branch this power, it will kind of negate congress, and the constitution entirely. What about repealing the first amendment via executive order? Jesus.
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Yup. All of that.
Of course they just can't allow that at the supreme court and be remotely within their duties. It would be totally out of line. Actually it might be good practice for them to overturn the current Administration's desires in a slam-dunk there's-no-way-you-can-allow-this scenario.
On a deeper level, I think it speaks to the degree to which Trump thinks he has an "I can do whatever I want" card. The complete lack of regard for, basically the entire US system of government, is quite impressive. And the people that voted for him seem to agree! That only works while your interests are being served. I can't believe, when we change parties at the presidency so frequently, that people would ever get behind the notion of unrestricted power. It will come crashing down on your head the moment your guy gets voted out. Checks and balances are good, even when your favorite party is in charge, because it protects you when they're not.
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I like your thinking, however, I'm given to understand that some countries that grant birthright citizenship on a limited basis actually exclude children of foreign diplomats.
Grain of salt and all that, though.
I think he's blowing smoke. He's scared about potential midterm election outcomes and is using this as a play to rile up the base and to feign strength that he lacks instead of appearing as scared as he is.
That said, I want him to try. I don't see it going anywhere, but it'll be like turning a light on in a fleabag motel...get the cockroaches who support him scrambling so they can be stepped on.
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Based on this precedent, a particularly progressive president could just pencil-out the 2nd amendment which is actually (IMO) a lot less clearly stated than the birthright citizenship element of the 14th amendment. When/if the liberals gain power of the country again, it's going to be scorched earth, and Mitch McConnell will have shown them the way. Packed federal courts. Packed supreme court. Simple majority for every single vote, including constitutional amendments. At least how that's how I would write it in my film.
Can we get some moderates over here before it's too late?
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If it was done properly I don't see how it's a bad issue, the birthright citizenship part is very far connected from modern reality, America has something like 11 million plus Illegals, I would assume a good amount of those are appealed by the birthright citizenship, given the living conditions of the US compared to it's southern neighbours something that has grown in difference vastly since 1868(the year of it's inception).
Having such a high number of people in your country that can be paid well below minimum wage hurts the lower end of the job market and creates a underclass of people, you don't exactly want laws that can promote this, it hurts alot more people then just the illegals.
Having such a high number of people in your country that can be paid well below minimum wage hurts the lower end of the job market and creates a underclass of people, you don't exactly want laws that can promote this, it hurts alot more people then just the illegals.
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During the debate over the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Jacob Howard, U.S. Senator for the State of Michigan, argued for including the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof:"
[The 14th amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.[2]
[The 14th amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.[2]
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I don't think anyone who demonstrates how little they care about the Constitution by backing his play to shrug it off is deserving of a position intended to be in service to the People. Let him try, and then let them speak up so we know who they are.Tell us how you REALLY feel...
I know, I know, you want to assume I'm referring to anyone who supports him as a cockroach, but I only offered that language up as an extension of the "turn the lights on and watch them scatter" metaphor.
There are appropriate channels for enacting the sort of change he wishes--an EO isn't one.
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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/30/662017268/trump-to-visit-pittsburgh-but-not-everyone-will-welcome-him
Trump shows up even after being asked not to .
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-king-nrcc-steve-stivers_us_5bd89af7e4b017e5bfd6ae9b
GOP chief condems rep .king over racist messaging
Trump shows up even after being asked not to .
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-king-nrcc-steve-stivers_us_5bd89af7e4b017e5bfd6ae9b
GOP chief condems rep .king over racist messaging
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Three bigots say they are innocent because trump said it was okay to carry out hatefull acts say accused lawyers
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You said it. That's what "populism" is. Forget the rule of law, forget the institutions of government - if you're "popular" you're entitled to do what you want. Of course, what's particularly ironic is that Trump isn't actually that popular - he didn't even get a majority of the popular vote.
There's a element in the US (and most other countries), well represented among Republican voters, that is fundamentally drawn to authoritarianism. They may make a song-&-dance about the Constitution & "freedom", but what they really like is a good, old-fashioned "strong leader" - you know, like Putin. Trump won the GOP nomination, among the huge field of candidates, because he had the biggest block of committed followers, but what constitutional conservatives, fiscal conservatives, libertarians & others who have placed themselves in the Republican camp in the past will make of all this in the long run, still remains to be seen.
