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[mustafur]

Trump has vastly favored Israel over Palestine/Iran/Arabs/Shia. I of course know nothing about this particular incident, but my assumption is that Trump's foreign policy choices will inevitably generate domestic blowback.

Lucky for Trump the Shia are not exactly the blow up kind.

 

[Danoff]

This is sad, 11 people killed at a Pittsburgh synagogue by a crazy, anti-Semitic guy with a gun. Since it's Saturday, I'm assuming they were in the midst of a service when the gunman opened fire.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...r-tree-life-synagogue-and-victims/1789247002/

And before this turns into a Trump foster hate debate, the shooter did not like Trump and even made a public post denouncing him prior to the shooting.

Really, like all mass shootings, this is an act of domestic terrorism.

I'm interested to know whether this was a racist event or religious one. It's always a difficult to separate, but this could be neo-nazi hatred for jewish genetics, or a religious conflict with the jewish faith. My guess would be that it's the former.

 

[Blitz24]

I'm interested to know whether this was a racist event or religious one. It's always a difficult to separate, but this could be neo-nazi hatred for jewish genetics, or a religious conflict with the jewish faith. My guess would be that it's the former.

Definitely the former. He was outspoken that Jews are the spawn of Satan.

 

[Rallywagon]

So do you imply that he has the power of the pen to sign unpassed legislation?

I am willing to bet good money that what he means is that Trump is really good at making himself look stupid.

 

[Biggles]

I'm interested to know whether this was a racist event or religious one. It's always a difficult to separate, but this could be neo-nazi hatred for jewish genetics, or a religious conflict with the jewish faith. My guess would be that it's the former.

From CNN:

On his Gab.com account, Bowers claimed Jews were helping transport members of the migrant caravans. He shared a video that another Gab.com user posted, purportedly of a Jewish refugee advocacy group HIAS on the US-Mexico border. Another post that Bowers commented on described HIAS' overall efforts as "sugar-coated evil."

According to his posts, Bowers believed that those in the migrant caravans were violent because they were attempting to leave countries that had high levels of violence. And Bowers repeatedly called them "invaders" on his Gab posts. "I have noticed a change in people saying 'illegals' that now say 'invaders'," read one post, six days before the shooting. "I like this."

"Trump is surrounded by k****", "things will stay the course," read one post on the Gab social media platform, which used a derogatory term to describe Jews. Another post, apparently intended as an insult, read: "Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist," Bowers said two days before the shooting. "There is no #MAGA as long as there is a k*** infestation.

To this guy, Trump is too soft on immigration, is a globalist ... & is surrounding himself with Jews.

I wouldn't say this guy is "insane". Just over-cooked by reading the barrage of online alt-right racist "fake news". Where's this all going to end?

 

[Sanji Himura]

I am willing to bet good money that what he means is that Trump is really good at making himself look stupid.

That I don't deny, but I said what I said because Obama accused Congress of running too slowly for his liking and passed everything that he wanted (outside of Healthcare, but even then it is still a dicey issue because of HOW it was passed) through executive fiat. I am asking @Biggles if Trump has the same power of executive fiat to pass tax cuts for the middle class? Of course, his answer will be no, but what gives one President the right to MAKE law through executive fiat and not the other?

 

[Rallywagon]

That I don't deny, but I said what I said because Obama accused Congress of running too slowly for his liking and passed everything that he wanted (outside of Healthcare, but even then it is still a dicey issue because of HOW it was passed) through executive fiat. I am asking @Biggles if Trump has the same power of executive fiat to pass tax cuts for the middle class? Of course, his answer will be no, but what gives one President the right to MAKE law through executive fiat and not the other?

That sounds like there is a bunch of assumptions there. Did you know trump already sign away 85 executive orders? G.H. Bush and Clinton both signed more executive orders than Obama. Hell, none of them hold the record either or are above the median for that matter. Nixon, Carter, Reagan and every president between TDR and Eisenhower signed hundreds, some thousands more than Obama. Hell FDR signed over 3700! What is Obama's 276 compared to that?

 

[PocketZeven]

And the remarks were clarified according to the video you posted as evidence. You're complaining about something you've already answered with your own link.

Dont be ignorant. Dont presume i dont watch the video.

What none of you are understanding is the fact that it was the Senate that made Trump look like a fool on national TV by not taking up the issue before the election.

Wait, what????? Are you referring to the tax cut proposal? If yes, you mean a president isn’t required to know when the senate is in recess?



Sean Hannity carefully omits the fact that he was a big Trump fan. And blames the media for playing a blame game and being disgraceful?!? Of course he is a disturbed individual and his actions are his own. But there is truth that trump and co encouraged violence and demonized the press and democrats. He spends 90% blaming the left and doesn’t go into the motivations of the bomber at all?!?!?

In other news:



Another hate crime shooting

I see a pattern on Fox News:

- white shooter = disturbed individual
- person of color = these group of people are a problem
- immigrant = the fault is with immigration laws letting in murderers in the country

Edit: added Fox News comments

 

[Rallywagon]

Dont be ignorant. Dont presume i watchers the video.



Wait, what????? Are you referring to the tax cut proposal? If yes, you mean a president isn’t required to know when the senate is in recess?



Sean Hannity carefully omits the fact that he was a big Trump fan. And blames the media for playing a blame game and being disgraceful?!? Of course he is a disturbed individual and his actions are his own. But there is truth that trump and co encouraged violence and demonized the press and democrats. He spends 90% blaming the left and doesn’t go into the motivations of the bomber at all?!?!?

In other news:



Another hate crime shooting

I see a pattern on Fox News:

- white shooter = disturbed individual
- person of color = these group of people are a problem
- immigrant = the fault is with immigration laws letting in murderers in the country

Edit: added Fox News comments

No point in linking Hannity here I dont think. Everyone (I would hope) understands hes an opinion "writer" and not a real journalist looking at real facts.

 

[PocketZeven]

No point in linking Hannity here I dont think. Everyone (I would hope) understands hes an opinion "writer" and not a real journalist looking at real facts.

I know that, but i cringe when he suggests the mainstream does not use facts and he does.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Dont be ignorant. Dont presume i dont watch the video.



Wait, what????? Are you referring to the tax cut proposal? If yes, you mean a president isn’t required to know when the senate is in recess?



Sean Hannity carefully omits the fact that he was a big Trump fan. And blames the media for playing a blame game and being disgraceful?!? Of course he is a disturbed individual and his actions are his own. But there is truth that trump and co encouraged violence and demonized the press and democrats. He spends 90% blaming the left and doesn’t go into the motivations of the bomber at all?!?!?

In other news:



Another hate crime shooting

I see a pattern on Fox News:

- white shooter = disturbed individual
- person of color = these group of people are a problem
- immigrant = the fault is with immigration laws letting in murderers in the country

Edit: added Fox News comments

I assume you didn't watch the video because the answer to the question you keep repeating is in the video. If you watched it why would you keep asking? Not sure what the purpose of this post is. I think you put too much emphasis on comedians, opinion/editorial "journalism" and the mainstream media in general. When you post stuff like this, and you are perfectly entitled to by the AUP of course, it gets harder and harder to take you seriously.

 

[PocketZeven]

I assume you didn't watch the video because the answer to the question you keep repeating is in the video. If you watched it why would you keep asking? Not sure what the purpose of this post is. I think you put too much emphasis on comedians, opinion/editorial "journalism" and the mainstream media in general. When you post stuff like this, and you are perfectly entitled to by the AUP of course, it gets harder and harder to take you seriously.

How can I take you seriously right now? Because the answer isnt in the video dear sir.
I already explained to you I watch and read a lot of different news outlets. And then form my own opinion. So please dont try to act like you know how I form my opinion. I dont do that to you, do I?

 

[Sanji Himura]

How can I take you seriously right now? Because the answer isnt in the video dear sir.
I already explained to you I watch and read a lot of different news outlets. And then form my own opinion. So please dont try to act like you know how I form my opinion. I dont do that to you, do I?

You do it to me, repeatedly.

 

[PocketZeven]

You do it to me, repeatedly.

Have I?

 

[Dennisch]

BLEXIT!

 

[Novalee]

http://huffp.st/Vz9JiHx


Fox news condems a guest they invited .

 

[McLaren]

I see a pattern on Fox News:

- white shooter = disturbed individual
- person of color = these group of people are a problem
- immigrant = the fault is with immigration laws letting in murderers in the country

Edit: added Fox News comments

It's becoming just same hypocrisy by extremist opposition:

White Shooter: White Domestic Terrorism
POC: We can't blame all poc's for 1.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Have I?

Yeah, you have been playing the man and not the ball on at least two separate occasions. Once when I brought up Elizabeth Warren and then you did this, which you later apologized for mere hours after I threw you in my ignore list:

You are ignoring the whole point I was making. This guy is mentally disturbed and probably believed all the nonsense his "idol" was saying about the media and democrats being the enemy. Now which "idol" said on national media that the democrats and the media are the enemy?

You've been playing the man and not the ball on several different occasions lately, and quite frankly I am sick of it. On the matter of Warren, unlike you apparently, I do vet my sources, hence why I linked you the Boston Globe article rather than this one. Now do you doubt me?

 

[UKMikey]

Yeah, you have been playing the man and not the ball on at least two separate occasions. Once when I brought up Elizabeth Warren and then you did this, which you later apologized for mere hours after I threw you in my ignore list:

You are ignoring the whole point I was making. This guy is mentally disturbed and probably believed all the nonsense his "idol" was saying about the media and democrats being the enemy. Now which "idol" said on national media that the democrats and the media are the enemy?

At the risk of being accused of whiteknighting, I don't see where this quote impugns any poster here? He appears to be talking about the bomber and the president. If that's against the rules then the report button is always available.

 

[PocketZeven]

Yeah, you have been playing the man and not the ball on at least two separate occasions. Once when I brought up Elizabeth Warren and then you did this, which you later apologized for mere hours after I threw you in my ignore list:



You've been playing the man and not the ball on several different occasions lately, and quite frankly I am sick of it. On the matter of Warren, unlike you apparently, I do vet my sources, hence why I linked you the Boston Globe article rather than this one. Now do you doubt me?

No I havent. You claimed that a source said one thing, I corrected it pointing out another. My intention was not to criticise you personally on any occasion. And if you feel i did. That wasnt my intention. But where in my post did I make it personal?

Your link doesnt work with me. But the link you originally posted actually debunked that Warren used here heritage as a way to advance her career. It confirmed what I was saying that she once checked a box that she was of indian heritage on an application. She however did not intentionally use it to her advantage in her career at all. The people in the article confirmed that.

It's becoming just same hypocrisy by extremist opposition:

White Shooter: White Domestic Terrorism
POC: We can't blame all poc's for 1.

I was referring to Fox news and not extremist oppososition, unless you consider both Fox and CNN as extremist? In the coverage I have seen of the pipebomber at least CNN pointed out that it was the act of an individual.

What is POC? I presume illegal immigrants?

To be fair the accurate narrative what I was posting about:
White racist extremist shooter: white domestic racist terrorism. The crime was intential and a hate crime in the name of white nationalism.
Illegal immigrant rapes/kills someone: A disturbed individual acting out of selfinterest. In most cases there is no intention to kill the "white" man or religious reason.

To be clear. If an antifa member does the same then suddenly it is a act of terrorism? Arent they both acts of terrorism? I was pointing out hypocracy of double standards that Fox news uses. A few months ago they used the killing of a white girl Mollie Tibits to point out the political message that the many of illegal immigrants are felony criminals. Which just isnt true. Even the father of the girl opposed the idea and rejected that narrative. Fox news totally ignored that point.

edit: correction
edit 2: correction of edit

 

[Johnnypenso]

How can I take you seriously right now? Because the answer isnt in the video dear sir.
I already explained to you I watch and read a lot of different news outlets. And then form my own opinion. So please dont try to act like you know how I form my opinion. I dont do that to you, do I?

No I havent. You claimed that a source said one thing, I corrected it pointing out another. My intention was not to criticise you personally on any occasion. And if you feel i did. That wasnt my intention. But where in my post did I make it personal?

Your link doesnt work with me. But the link you originally posted actually debunked that Warren used here heritage as a way to advance her career. It confirmed what I was saying that she once checked a box that she was of indian heritage on an application. She however did not intentionally use it to her advantage in her career at all. The people in the article confirmed that.



I was referring to Fox news and not extremist oppososition, unless you consider both Fox and CNN as extremist? In the coverage I have seen of the pipebomber at least CNN pointed out that it was the act of an individual.

What is POC? I presume illegal immigrants?

To be fair the accurate narrative what I was posting about:
White racist extremist shooter: white domestic racist terrorism. The crime was intential and a hate crime in the name of white nationalism.
Illegal immigrant rapes/kills someone: A disturbed individual acting out of selfinterest. In most cases there is no intention to kill the "white" man or religious reason.

To be clear. If an antifa member does the same then suddenly it is a act of terrorism? Arent they both acts of terrorism? I was pointing out hypocracy of double standards that Fox news uses. A few months ago they used the killing of a white girl Mollie Tibits to point out the political message that the majority of illegal immigrants are murderers and rapists. Which just isnt true. Even the father of the girl opposed the idea and rejected that narrative. Fox news totally ignored that point.

edit: correction

That is outrageous. Can you put a link up to that article where they called the majority of illegal immigrants rapists and murderers? That's terrible reporting.

 

[PocketZeven]

That is outrageous. Can you put a link up to that article where they called the majority of illegal immigrants rapists and murderers? That's terrible reporting.

I phrased the sentence wrong in hindsight. I edited it wrong. Originally I wrote: "the majority of illegal immigrants are criminals" and changed "criminals " to rapists and murderers since being illegal already is a crime. I should have changed "criminals" to felony criminals and "majority" to many. (illegal immigration is a misdemeanor)
So apologies for the incorrect statement and I corrected it above.

Trump:
http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sea...on-illegal-immigrants-proves-grimly-prophetic
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/...tibbetts-murder-wake-call-illegal-immigration
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/...ant-crimes-often-buried-or-not-reported-media
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5826141833001/?#sp=show-clips
https://www.politifact.com/texas/st...annity-642000-crimes-committed-immigrants-il/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-...ightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
Ironically foxnews does have some real reporters and debunks their own statements:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find

 

[Johnnypenso]

I phrased the sentence wrong in hindsight. I edited it wrong. Originally I wrote: "the majority of illegal immigrants are criminals" and changed "criminals " to rapists and murderers since being illegal already is a crime. I should have changed "criminals" to felony criminals and "majority" to many. (illegal immigration is a misdemeanor)
So apologies for the incorrect statement and I corrected it above.

Trump:
http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sea...on-illegal-immigrants-proves-grimly-prophetic
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/...tibbetts-murder-wake-call-illegal-immigration
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/...ant-crimes-often-buried-or-not-reported-media
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5826141833001/?#sp=show-clips
https://www.politifact.com/texas/st...annity-642000-crimes-committed-immigrants-il/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-...ightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
Ironically foxnews does have some real reporters and debunks their own statements:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find

Rather than a wall of links we have to go through to find what you're trying to say, could you please just quote the relevant section where Fox News says the majority of illegals are criminals or whatever it is you're trying to say.

 

[PocketZeven]

Rather than a wall of links we have to go through Define what you're trying to say, could you please just quote the relevant section where Fox News says the majority of illegals are criminals or whatever it is you're trying to say.

Just listen to Trump's infamous quote:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.”

“They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

From this link: https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-...ightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
"In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest."

Sean Hannity in reaction to the infomous Trump claiming mexico send rapists and murderers (and some are good people):
“I met with many American families whose loved ones -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives -- were viciously killed by illegal immigrants,” Trump said recently. “These American victims and their families were ignored by the media. The media doesn't want to talk about it.

“But these Americans were not ignored by me,” he continued. “There were not ignored by you. You showed that on Nov. 8. There were not ignored by you, and they will never be ignored by any of us.”

President Trump is right: We can never forget those whose lives were destroyed by illegal immigrants. And we need to demand a secure border and an end to local policies that allow illegal immigrant criminals to prey on innocent Americans.

Tomi Lahren in reaction to the murder of Tibbets:
On "Fox & Friends" on Wednesday, Lahren said Americans are starting to see that border control and immigration enforcement affect the entire country, not just border states.

"If this can happen where it happened -- in the heartland of this country -- it can happen anywhere," Lahren said.

"We have to do something to fix this immigration problem, because illegal immigration kills Americans. Enough is enough."

Only to be debunked by Foxnews immigration policy analist Alex Nowrasteh :
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find

"Fear of an illegal immigrant crime wave is sparked by the fear that they are overwhelmingly murderers, rapists, and thieves. In reality, illegal immigrants have lower incarceration rates and live in places with lower crimes rates than native-born Americans."

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just listen to Trump's infamous quote:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.”

“They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

From this link: https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-...ightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
"In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest."

Sean Hannity in reaction to the infomous Trump claiming mexico send rapists and murderers (and some are good people):
“I met with many American families whose loved ones -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives -- were viciously killed by illegal immigrants,” Trump said recently. “These American victims and their families were ignored by the media. The media doesn't want to talk about it.

“But these Americans were not ignored by me,” he continued. “There were not ignored by you. You showed that on Nov. 8. There were not ignored by you, and they will never be ignored by any of us.”

President Trump is right: We can never forget those whose lives were destroyed by illegal immigrants. And we need to demand a secure border and an end to local policies that allow illegal immigrant criminals to prey on innocent Americans.

Tomi Lahren in reaction to the murder of Tibbets:
On "Fox & Friends" on Wednesday, Lahren said Americans are starting to see that border control and immigration enforcement affect the entire country, not just border states.

"If this can happen where it happened -- in the heartland of this country -- it can happen anywhere," Lahren said.

"We have to do something to fix this immigration problem, because illegal immigration kills Americans. Enough is enough."

Only to be debunked by Foxnews immigration policy analist Alex Nowrasteh :
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find

"Fear of an illegal immigrant crime wave is sparked by the fear that they are overwhelmingly murderers, rapists, and thieves. In reality, illegal immigrants have lower incarceration rates and live in places with lower crimes rates than native-born Americans."

Just listen to Trump's infamous quote:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.”

“They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

From this link: https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-...ightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
"In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest."

Sean Hannity in reaction to the infomous Trump claiming mexico send rapists and murderers (and some are good people):
“I met with many American families whose loved ones -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives -- were viciously killed by illegal immigrants,” Trump said recently. “These American victims and their families were ignored by the media. The media doesn't want to talk about it.

“But these Americans were not ignored by me,” he continued. “There were not ignored by you. You showed that on Nov. 8. There were not ignored by you, and they will never be ignored by any of us.”

President Trump is right: We can never forget those whose lives were destroyed by illegal immigrants. And we need to demand a secure border and an end to local policies that allow illegal immigrant criminals to prey on innocent Americans.

Tomi Lahren in reaction to the murder of Tibbets:
On "Fox & Friends" on Wednesday, Lahren said Americans are starting to see that border control and immigration enforcement affect the entire country, not just border states.

"If this can happen where it happened -- in the heartland of this country -- it can happen anywhere," Lahren said.

"We have to do something to fix this immigration problem, because illegal immigration kills Americans. Enough is enough."

Only to be debunked by Foxnews immigration policy analist Alex Nowrasteh :
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find

"Fear of an illegal immigrant crime wave is sparked by the fear that they are overwhelmingly murderers, rapists, and thieves. In reality, illegal immigrants have lower incarceration rates and live in places with lower crimes rates than native-born Americans."

Your claim was about Fox news misreporting not about Trump's statement. Nothing that you have quoted up above there says the majority of illegal aliens are criminals.

 

[McLaren]

I was referring to Fox news and not extremist oppososition, unless you consider both Fox and CNN as extremist? In the coverage I have seen of the pipebomber at least CNN pointed out that it was the act of an individual.

I know what you are referring to. They're promoting the same hypocrisy extremists on the left have started by blaming an entire group for the actions of 1 man. And yes, CNN is guilty of hypocrisy as well by believing certain acts of terrorism as attributed to right-wing and acting as if the left-wing has never done anything violent.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/opin...ing-as-right-wing-terrorism-bergen/index.html

Recall first that the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing was, at the time, the most lethal act of terrorism ever on US soil. The bombing killed 168 people and was carried out by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who both had a long association with far-right causes.

Oklahoma City - Timothy McVeigh (White supremacist, anti-government); Terry Nicholls (anti-government)

CNN wants to call the OKC bombing a right-wing attack because of McVeigh's white supremacy ties. They're not including the fact that McVeigh and Nicholls both also had a long association with anti-government groups, spouting anti-government thoughts, and wishing to kill government employees.

The bombing was not a "far-right" attack in the name of white supremacy, it was an attack on a government building in retaliation for the government's involvement in Ruby Ridge and the Waco sieges. If that's what constitutes as right-wing terrorism, Omar Mateen might as well be a right-wing terrorist, too.

Leftist terrorists have not killed anyone during this period in the United States, though an anti-Trump fanatic shot and gravely wounded Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, senior House Republican, last year in Virginia when he was attending a baseball practice.

Hey, as long as no one dies at the hand of Antifa's violence, CNN is fine with not pointing out their involvement for the far-left.

What is POC? I presume illegal immigrants?

People of color.

To be fair the accurate narrative what I was posting about:
White racist extremist shooter: white domestic racist terrorism. The crime was intential and a hate crime in the name of white nationalism.
Illegal immigrant rapes/kills someone: A disturbed individual acting out of selfinterest. In most cases there is no intention to kill the "white" man or religious reason.

Which is something both sides twist to suit their agenda as if a shooting has become a sport of trying to wager what political party/race the shooter is, so they can defame the other side.

To be clear. If an antifa member does the same then suddenly it is a act of terrorism? Arent they both acts of terrorism? I was pointing out hypocracy of double standards that Fox news uses. A few months ago they used the killing of a white girl Mollie Tibits to point out the political message that the many of illegal immigrants are felony criminals. Which just isnt true. Even the father of the girl opposed the idea and rejected that narrative. Fox news totally ignored that point.

As was I. I said the opposing extremists are adopting that same hypocrisy Fox News does. I've read numerous people online turn around after a shooting and go, "Sounds about white", "white men commit all the shootings", or "Notice how white men are taken alive?". The awful rhetoric to blame an entire group for 1 man's actions is spread on both sides. Fox News' only leverage is that they have a major broadcast to spout their bias, but that in turn forces them to keep their hypocrisy at least "respectful". The Young Turks are the closest on the left as far as news outlet that I can think of, though they are far more open with their thoughts.

 

[ryzno]

Just listen to Trump's infamous quote:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.”

“They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

From this link: https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-...ightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
"In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest."

Sean Hannity in reaction to the infomous Trump claiming mexico send rapists and murderers (and some are good people):
“I met with many American families whose loved ones -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives -- were viciously killed by illegal immigrants,” Trump said recently. “These American victims and their families were ignored by the media. The media doesn't want to talk about it.

“But these Americans were not ignored by me,” he continued. “There were not ignored by you. You showed that on Nov. 8. There were not ignored by you, and they will never be ignored by any of us.”

President Trump is right: We can never forget those whose lives were destroyed by illegal immigrants. And we need to demand a secure border and an end to local policies that allow illegal immigrant criminals to prey on innocent Americans.

Tomi Lahren in reaction to the murder of Tibbets:
On "Fox & Friends" on Wednesday, Lahren said Americans are starting to see that border control and immigration enforcement affect the entire country, not just border states.

"If this can happen where it happened -- in the heartland of this country -- it can happen anywhere," Lahren said.

"We have to do something to fix this immigration problem, because illegal immigration kills Americans. Enough is enough."

Only to be debunked by Foxnews immigration policy analist Alex Nowrasteh :
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find

"Fear of an illegal immigrant crime wave is sparked by the fear that they are overwhelmingly murderers, rapists, and thieves. In reality, illegal immigrants have lower incarceration rates and live in places with lower crimes rates than native-born Americans."

I don't know why you are so worried about this? It's exactly what was said during his campaign before the election.
Why are you so worried about it now?

 

[PocketZeven]

Your claim was about Fox news misreporting not about Trump's statement. Nothing that you have quoted up above there says the majority of illegal aliens are criminals.

Fox news have always defended Trump's statements. Ok, replace "majority" with disproportionate or many and read the quotes again. You are focusing on the words again and not the message.

Specific quotes of the quotes:

"illegal immigration kills americans"

"we need to demand a secure border and an end to local policies that allow illegal immigrant criminals to prey on innocent Americans"

"In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life."

There is no nuance in the narrative that to the reality that only a small minority of illegal immigrants commit felony crimes. It suggests that illegal immigrants are felony criminals.

I don't know why you are so worried about this? It's exactly what was said during his campaign before the election.
Why are you so worried about it now?

That is outrageous. Can you put a link up to that article where they called the majority of illegal immigrants rapists and murderers? That's terrible reporting.

@Johnnypenso found it outragous, so like you already knew, the narrative already existed a while. So I pointed it out.

I know what you are referring to. They're promoting the same hypocrisy extremists on the left have started by blaming an entire group for the actions of 1 man. And yes, CNN is guilty of hypocrisy as well by believing certain acts of terrorism as attributed to right-wing and acting as if the left-wing has never done anything violent.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/opin...ing-as-right-wing-terrorism-bergen/index.html


CNN wants to call the OKC bombing a right-wing attack because of McVeigh's white supremacy ties. They're not including the fact that McVeigh and Nicholls both also had a long association with anti-government groups, spouting anti-government thoughts, and wishing to kill government employees.

The bombing was not a "far-right" attack in the name of white supremacy, it was an attack on a government building in retaliation for the government's involvement in Ruby Ridge aReplynd the Waco sieges. If that's what constitutes as right-wing terrorism, Omar Mateen might as well be a right-wing terrorist, too.

Hey, as long as no one dies at the hand of Antifa's violence, CNN is fine with not pointing out their involvement for the far-left.

People of color.

Which is something both sides twist to suit their agenda as if a shooting has become a sport of trying to wager what political party/race the shooter is, so they can defame the other side.

As was I. I said the opposing extremists are adopting that same hypocrisy Fox News does. I've read numerous people online turn around after a shooting and go, "Sounds about white", "white men commit all the shootings", or "Notice how white men are taken alive?". The awful rhetoric to blame an entire group for 1 man's actions is spread on both sides. Fox News' only leverage is that they have a major broadcast to spout their bias, but that in turn forces them to keep their hypocrisy at least "respectful". The Young Turks are the closest on the left as far as news outlet that I can think of, though they are far more open with their thoughts.

It seems we agree on most points, however I also want to point out that former democrat/republican Presidents never encouraged their following to demonize people or press. Or encourage violence. When the leader of your country says something it has a lot of weight. You do understand that when a rightwing extremist hears Trump they interpet it as encouragement and endorsement.

Even David Duke "thinks" Trump endorses his ideology. Personally I dont believe Trump is a white nationalist, but he doesnt do enough to distance himself from violence and demonizing the opposition.

You dont see that kind of encouragement out of the highest office on the left extremist side. They react to what the rightwing extremists do. They dont follow the words of a political leader in the highest office. They are the crazy self-righteous people that dont realise they are doing the same thing they are preaching against. But I dont see trump trying to diffuse it. Just blame the media...

Remember that Bush, Clinton, Obama etc. were always respectful towards the opposition. There might be some outbursts or exceptions, but overall they had respect and never encouraged people to act out in violence. Remember Trump actually warned that the democrats would be violent if the midterms werent going to go their way. How can a sitting president say that with a straight face? And still he is blaming the media for what he, himself is saying. I mean there is videoproof and he still is denying his own statements. If you ask him now, if he cheated with Stormy daniels, I bet you a 100 he will still deny it.

Sorry for the rant. I just saw his speech during his most recent rally and it pissed me of again.

edit: added Trump rant

 

[Johnnypenso]

Fox news have always defended Trump's statements. Ok, replace "majority" with disproportionate or many and read the quotes again. You are focusing on the words again and not the message.

Specific quotes of the quotes:

"illegal immigration kills americans"

"we need to demand a secure border and an end to local policies that allow illegal immigrant criminals to prey on innocent Americans"

"In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life."

There is no nuance in the narrative that to the reality that only a small minority of illegal immigrants commit felony crimes. It suggests that illegal immigrants are felony criminals.






@Johnnypenso found it outragous, so like you already knew, the narrative already existed a while. So I pointed it out.

I'm focusing on words because I read words I don't read the "message". So now you want to change the most crucial word in your claim to a word that means something completely different? So we agree that Fox stating a majority of illegal aliens are criminals was a false claim on your part?

 

[PocketZeven]

I'm focusing on words because I read words I don't read the "message". So now you want to change the most crucial word in your claim to a word that means something completely different? So we agree that Fox stating a majority of illegal aliens are criminals was a false claim on your part?

You always focus on specific words here, do you. I told you the message immediately after I realised I miswrote my message. I even immediately corrected the post after your post and gave you credit for pointing it out. Why are you focusing on an error that was online for a few minutes dear sir? Are you that stubborn to agree with my statement that Fox news likes to paint illegal immigrants as criminals.

Whatever rocks your boat. If you cant see, what I see in the posted links, quotes, quotes of quotes that Fox 's narrative is that illegal immigrants bring in crime (all, many, disproportionate or majority) Then nothing what I am saying will convince you otherwise.