America - The Official Thread
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I was stationed in El Paso for a number of years. Its regularly ranked as one of the safest cities in America. It borders Juarez one of the more dangerous in Mexico. There were thousands of murders there yearly as cartels fought for power. There is an aqueduct (the rio grande when its flowing) and a fence dividing the two with border patrol. All you need to do is drive a few miles out of town to cross the border. I had friends that would do it all the time. Up until the air force guy was found dead. Point being, the walls may have played a role within the city limits, however, people still easily cross the border just outside of EP and it is one of the US' safest cities.
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Just like every other President I know of?
A better question would be, how would anyone expect the left and right in America to once again work together when one of those new "stars" of the Democratic Party in the House of Representatives in her first public speech after taking office, called the President of the United States something that would get me banned on this forum if I quoted directly but means he has sex with his mother?
Stay classy, Dems.
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Oh no! You whatabouted a whatabout!
Actually, on that topic @PocketZeven, calm down on the whatabout arguments. It's not a bad thing to point out hypocrisy. It's bad if you let it distract from the actual argument, or try to use it as a rebuttal to a point, but in general, it's a fair criticism.
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Samuel L. Jackson approves. (Language warning: a tweet appears in the article in its uncensored form.)
The wide range of context and intended meaning of the term is, if I'm honest, fascinating...
Of course, there's the semi-Oedipal literal sense as has been indicated, though I can't imagine that meaning is particularly prevalent as the term is used colloquially.
The term's first recorded use, according to a book by Jim Dawson (Language warning: the word appears uncensored as it's in the book's title.), appears in transcriptions of a case against one Marshall Levy from 1889 (Levy v. State) in which Levy was claimed to have been referred to as "that God damned :censored:ing, :censored:ly son-of-a-🤬!" For what it's worth, only the specific expletive referred to here was censored in those transcripts, but I thought it best to play it safe in this post. But anyway, even in that context from 130 years ago, the word appears to have been intended as a generic (albeit forceful) expletive rather than an indication of the literal.
The word's use appears to change around WWII, wherein soldiers use it to express the difficulty of a certain task. I've actually used it in this context as well (and I can't recall using it on any other occasion--I'm not particularly foul-mouthed), referring to a tree stump as one when expressing the difficulty of removing it from my yard.
Another transition apparently took place in the middle of last century, during a reciting of the true tale of "Stagger Lee" Shelton, a black man who just would not back down, and the tale's protagonist is referred to as such in a positive manner, presumably akin to "that 🤬 did not back down".
Lenny Bruce was arrested and prosecuted for using it, even as a term of endearment, in his comedy act at Cafe Au Go Go in 1964, and I'm given to understand Presbyterian minister Forrest Johnson testified that he didn't believe the use was intended to be taken literally.
But I digress...
More to the point, specifically relating to its use by political figures, despite its obvious reliance on easily manipulated polling data were shouch an attempt be made, I'd be interested in seeing a Venn diagram representation of two primary demographics (those who approve of Trump using similar expletives and those who disapprove of others directing similar expletives at Trump) and those two demographics' convergence.
It was used by Michigander rep. Rashida Tlaib, not AOC.
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Only for the amateursA brick in 1 second.
. I live about 10 blocks from a large public housing area and every year just as school let out I used to get either one of my trucks or my car broken into. Only once was one of them damaged, usually they'd just scoop out the change and anything they thought was valuable. It stopped 3 or 4 years ago. Yes, that is the point, where there is adequate protection there is no crisis. I see the irony is lost on you.
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The difference is I kept talking about trump. Whataboutism in my opinion is an invalid argument. BobK countered criticism on president Trump with criticism on congresswoman Cortez in 2 situations that have no connection with eachother. What does that have to do with hypocracy? That is what I translate as whataboutism. Cortez had nothing to with the subject that @Novalee wrote.
The GOP mocked Trump for the wall during election but now claim to 100% back Trump on the wall during the shutdown. That is what I call hypocracy.
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Tlaib.
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Surely it was an ironic point given that Trump himself used the word on a previous campaign trail to describe the Chinese? That's how I heard it reported here at least.
If a 4-foot chain link fence is adequate protection then what's with the steel wall? Even I could get over that fence.
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When spoiled little kid begins drama queening, he/she is sent to his/her room without toys.
I just wait the day you US Americans wake up as parents and sent that spoiled adultsize kid into jail...for example 30 years without toys would do good for him, you and all of us.
I just wait the day you US Americans wake up as parents and sent that spoiled adultsize kid into jail...for example 30 years without toys would do good for him, you and all of us.
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May I ask on what charges?
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Schoolchildren excepted, most of the important people in American couldn't stand President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. In an incredible assassination, he was shot through the head and killed.
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I'm pretty sure you don't mean hoover, either the cleaner or the former president.
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It is now being reported that the only reason trump and his minions use the word crisis is so they can use it in court as a citation . Like a selfserving prophecy .
Dotini
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Divide the US into yankees and cowboys. The cowboys hated Kennedy because he was yankee. The oilmen can be included here.
Divide the US into sinners and righteous Christians. The righteous hated Kennedy because he was copiously, obviously stepping out on his wife.
The mob strongly hated Kennedy for numerous reasons.
The CIA hated Kennedy for numerous reasons.
The military brass hated Kennedy because of his handling of Vietnam and other matters.
In brief, Kennedy was hated by the deep state.
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TexRex and TenEightyOne,
Har har, First...I'm reasonable drunk...and english is not my 1st language and it should be actually 3rd one (hence Swedish).
While you US Americans notoriously rape fine language of English, hoovering should be vacuum cleaning...
Har har, First...I'm reasonable drunk...and english is not my 1st language and it should be actually 3rd one (hence Swedish).
While you US Americans notoriously rape fine language of English, hoovering should be vacuum cleaning...
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Only one of us is American, and surely you're not relying on broad generalizations, however accurate they may be, to comment on the speech of a particular individual, because the deftness (though "daftness" is probably more appropriate from time to time) with which I wield the language is actually a point of pride.TexRex and TenEightyOne,
Har har, First...I'm reasonable drunk...and english is not my 1st language and it should be actually 3rd one (hence Swedish).
While you US Americans notoriously rape fine language of English, hoovering should be vacuum cleaning...
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People in Greenland are considered Americans? Were they consulted on this?
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Looks around, where's my beer?
Sees 14 1/4 year old rather inactive account.
Lights a good cigar, if you know what I mean.
Reads posts.
Moves along.
Oh snap!
You have USA flag next to your profile. I have tip for you. If you want to have beer, go get some from Canada or Mexico. Us American beer is closer to water than bottom of the rowing boat.
I'm sadly not 14 and quarter year old anymore, though one very respectable woman once said, anonymoys people in chat and forums will revert back to age of 10...15. I'm guilty as charged. You are too.
Come on, more conversation, more merrier!
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Uhhhh.... I drink this.Oh snap!
You have USA flag next to your profile. I have tip for you. If you want to have beer, go get some from Canada or Mexico. Us American beer is closer to water than bottom of the rowing boat.
I'm sadly not 14 and quarter year old anymore, though one very respectable woman once said, anonymoys people in chat and forums will revert back to age of 10...15. I'm guilty as charged. You are too.
Come on, more conversation, more merrier!
If you think that taste like water, I would get your well checked.
Edit..to be fair, you are probably thinking of crap like Budweiser and Busch.
I drink strong craft beers from Founders, a Michigan brewery. They produce nothing like that piss water I think you might be thinking of.
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RallyWagon,
Only Budweiser I touch is Czech one.
Today I've been having swedish Sju Komma Twåan. Name is also alcohol volume of it (7.2%).
7th going on.
Only Budweiser I touch is Czech one.
Today I've been having swedish Sju Komma Twåan. Name is also alcohol volume of it (7.2%).
7th going on.
