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I have to disagree there. The only that are allowed to criticise are the players themselves in this situation. I personally would have found it an honor even if they served microwave diners.

Yeah I agree.

But if that was me I would've just been like, really. This is all you could do. Still would've enjoyed it though. And it wouldn't take away from the fact that you had a meal with the President, at his house.

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Imagine eating chips & mayonnaise followed by salted liquorice and several bottles of Grolsch with King Willem-Alexander.

Ahem.

His nickname is Prins Pils. Or for the less linguistically talented, Prince Lager.
I would gladly accept the meal, drop and beer. But I would still treat him as a normal human, because his god-given title means diddly squat to me.
 
I wonder if Trump realizes who he is dealing with yet?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/nancy-pelosi-state-of-the-union-donald-trump/index.html


Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29," wrote Speaker Nancy Pelosi to President Donald Trump on Wednesday.


I would call that a 200 iq move myself. And a lesson in civics for Trump.
 
I wonder if Trump realizes who he is dealing with yet?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/nancy-pelosi-state-of-the-union-donald-trump/index.html


Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29," wrote Speaker Nancy Pelosi to President Donald Trump on Wednesday.


I would call that a 200 iq move myself. And a lesson in civics for Trump.

It could backfire, but personally I give her a ton of credit for the power move. She has legitimate reasons to do it, including reminding a fairly out of control president that the legislature is an equal branch of government (something everyone seems to have forgotten), and unfunded security at the event. She even made it a point to explain that he can give a speech from the oval office "if he wants to" which is just... :lol: She's preempting the message that she's afraid of giving him a platform to speak to America.

Zero precedent for her move, but legally solid, which is awesome.
 
Ahem.

His nickname is Prins Pils. Or for the less linguistically talented, Prince Lager.
I would gladly accept the meal, drop and beer. But I would still treat him as a normal human, because his god-given title means diddly squat to me.

No, I agree. I was drawing a comparison with how cool it would be. Just with the caveat that the perception of the person involved comes into play.

Imagine pizza with Obama. Cool, right?
But a Big Mac with Trump? No thank you.
 
Nancy forgot to check with the Secret Service before making this claim, per NBC, CNN, and FNC:

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It doesn't matter one bit. It is still a concern, their personnel are impacted. But beyond that, Pelosi is flexing here, and it's brilliantly played. Her concerns are legit (SS isn't going to say they can't handle it), her power in this situation is legit, and it's one more bargaining chip at the table. She's saying congress isn't going to give an inch if the President doesn't.
 
It doesn't matter one bit. It is still a concern, their personnel are impacted. But beyond that, Pelosi is flexing here, and it's brilliantly played. Her concerns are legit (SS isn't going to say they can't handle it), her power in this situation is legit, and it's one more bargaining chip at the table. She's saying congress isn't going to give an inch if the President doesn't.
I relish a conflict at the top for control of the United States and their - our - destiny. All the elements are coming into place for high stakes, high drama, high tension and most of all, high entertainment value. Invest now in candy, popcorn and liquor.
 
What I don't like about it is the fact that, a handful of relatively well-off people are playing fiscal roulette, deciding whether a $1 trillion deficit is sufficient, or whether they should up it to $1.05 trillion, while there are hundreds of thousands of people whose lives are seriously affected by this game they're playing.
 
What I don't like about it is the fact that, a handful of relatively well-off people are playing fiscal roulette, deciding whether a $1 trillion deficit is sufficient, or whether they should up it to $1.05 trillion, while there are hundreds of thousands of people whose lives are seriously affected by this game they're playing.

I think the money really has little to no impact on it. It's Congress reminding Trump that he has people he needs to work with and if he doesn't he won't get what he wants.

I do feel bad for those out of a job right now, but at the same time slow downs are something people in the private sector have to deal with all the time. It sucks, but you adapt and overcome.
 
No, I agree. I was drawing a comparison with how cool it would be. Just with the caveat that the perception of the person involved comes into play.

Imagine pizza with Obama. Cool, right?
But a Big Mac with Trump? No thank you.

Heading to Spoons with Liz on Fish Friday sounds like a laugh.
 
Imagine eating chips & mayonnaise followed by salted liquorice and several bottles of Grolsch with King Willem-Alexander.

Ahem.

His nickname is Prins Pils. Or for the less linguistically talented, Prince Lager.
I would gladly accept the meal, drop and beer. But I would still treat him as a normal human, because his god-given title means diddly squat to me.

Most Dutchmen would not criticize that I think and would actually applaud or wont find it that strange.

To quote a dutch proverb: "just be normal, then you are being crazy enough". I love the dutch culture for being accessible down to earth and having less of a "class" system in their society then other countries.

That said, a narcissistic guy like Trump would have no chance here in dutch politics.
 
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I'm a little slow on the uptake; what do you mean?

Read it out loud, and us Dutchies will know what you mean, as long as you can master our g pronunciation. Roughly sounds like Ernie's (Sesame street) laugh.
 
Read it out loud, and us Dutchies will know what you mean, as long as you can master our g pronunciation. Roughly sounds like Ernie's (Sesame street) laugh.
My apologies, I haven't been sleeping well and my thought processes are taking a hit--I'm still lost. No need to elaborate further, though, and thanks for humoring me.

:ouch:
 
I do feel bad for those out of a job right now, but at the same time slow downs are something people in the private sector have to deal with all the time. It sucks, but you adapt and overcome.

Noooot reaaallly....

It's pretty far from apples to apples. For the TSA, for example, they're being asked to continue to come in and work, but are not being paid. These are people making about $40k per year, so savings is probably not huge to float them through months of no pay. They'll get back pay (it seems), but not until the government reopens. In the meantime they're working and missing bills. These are not people who have been fired and are looking for new work while drawing unemployment.

There is an analogous situation that I've seen in real life, where partners at a law firm are asked to go months without pay while the law firm tries to get their accounts receivable right side up. But these are generally people pulling in $300k or more annually, and usually savings is a little bit more substantial (not always though).

The big thing though, is that the government shutdown is totally avoidable and makes it much harder to recruit (for example, for TSA). So if you thought that the TSA employees were bad before this, just wait until the cream of the crop goes and finds another job that won't leave them hanging every other January.

There is another group of government employees who are furloughed. These are people who are not being asked to come to work, and are instead forbidden from working during the government shutdown. Since back pay seems like a foregone conclusion, those people will essentially get extra vacation this year during the shutdown. All they have to do is pay their bills in the meantime, but at least they're not being asked to come in to work, so if they want to sign up with uber or whatever in the interim, that works out. For a government worker who has been furloughed and has enough savings to float, it's pretty much just wonderful. Because they'll get paid for not working.

Big differences in terms of how it hits government employees.
 
Noooot reaaallly....

It's pretty far from apples to apples. For the TSA, for example, they're being asked to continue to come in and work, but are not being paid. These are people making about $40k per year, so savings is probably not huge to float them through months of no pay. They'll get back pay (it seems), but not until the government reopens. In the meantime they're working and missing bills. These are not people who have been fired and are looking for new work while drawing unemployment.

There is an analogous situation that I've seen in real life, where partners at a law firm are asked to go months without pay while the law firm tries to get their accounts receivable right side up. But these are generally people pulling in $300k or more annually, and usually savings is a little bit more substantial (not always though).

The big thing though, is that the government shutdown is totally avoidable and makes it much harder to recruit (for example, for TSA). So if you thought that the TSA employees were bad before this, just wait until the cream of the crop goes and finds another job that won't leave them hanging every other January.

There is another group of government employees who are furloughed. These are people who are not being asked to come to work, and are instead forbidden from working during the government shutdown. Since back pay seems like a foregone conclusion, those people will essentially get extra vacation this year during the shutdown. All they have to do is pay their bills in the meantime, but at least they're not being asked to come in to work, so if they want to sign up with uber or whatever in the interim, that works out. For a government worker who has been furloughed and has enough savings to float, it's pretty much just wonderful. Because they'll get paid for not working.

Big differences in terms of how it hits government employees.

I'm well aware it's not exactly the same, but it doesn't change the fact they have to figure out a way to make it work just like those in the private sector. Whether that's relying on savings or seeking employment elsewhere is up to them.
 
I'm well aware it's not exactly the same, but it doesn't change the fact they have to figure out a way to make it work just like those in the private sector. Whether that's relying on savings or seeking employment elsewhere is up to them.

Well, ok, sure. I mean everyone in every situation has to figure out a way to "make it work". The migrant caravans that come from Central America have to find a way to "make it work". The people impacted by famine or war in Africa have to find a way to "make it work". The children of billionaires whose shipment of new Louis Vuitton luggage got delayed and won't arrive before their trip, necessitating that they use luggage that has already been used once before, have to find a way to "make it work". It is part of the human condition that we all must find a way to make it work.

I thought you were commenting on a parallel between the government shutdown and ebbs and flows of corporate health. In which case it's not particularly similar. A furlough isn't really a thing in corporate America. You don't ask your employees to stop coming into work because you're out of money, but promise to pay them for the time they weren't working. Similarly, it's pretty rare to demand that employees continue to work without pay. Not unheard of, but not normal, especially at the pay scales we're discussing.
 
I wonder if Trump realizes who he is dealing with yet?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/nancy-pelosi-state-of-the-union-donald-trump/index.html


Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29," wrote Speaker Nancy Pelosi to President Donald Trump on Wednesday.


I would call that a 200 iq move myself. And a lesson in civics for Trump.

Trump's response is to pull the use of military aircraft from Pelosi. I think Pelosi wins this round for at least two reasons. 1) SOTU is worth more to Trump than whatever trip she was planning. 2) Trump's response is less reasonable than hers. Her trip included Afghanistan. I don't think a female high ranking US politician is going to fly commercial to Afghanistan. But he certainly scored some points against her by making her move look more juvenile by associating it with his... more juvenile response.
 
Trump's response is to pull the use of military aircraft from Pelosi. I think Pelosi wins this round for at least two reasons. 1) SOTU is worth more to Trump than whatever trip she was planning. 2) Trump's response is less reasonable than hers. Her trip included Afghanistan. I don't think a female high ranking US politician is going to fly commercial to Afghanistan. But he certainly scored some points against her by making her move look more juvenile by associating it with his... more juvenile response.

Trump's crowning achievment is making juvinile behavior like this seem normal or at least insignificant, because the headline is still he spelt hamburgers wrong or the very next day Giuliani going on TV going crazy again. It almost seems like he did it on purpose to misdirect. That would make him a genius indeed.
 
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