America - The Official Thread

[Danoff]

But it is more viewed as a guilty pleasure then an actual meal.

I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. Do you? What is "fast food" in this context. Give me an example.

 

[PocketZeven]

I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. Do you? What is "fast food" in this context. Give me an example.

Mcdonalds, pizza, KFC etc. My kids get to eat at the most 1 fast food meal in the week. Normally they always get a balanced meal with protein, vegetables, fruit and rice, noodles or potatoes.

 

[Danoff]

Mcdonalds, pizza, KFC etc. My kids get to eat at the most 1 fast food meal in the week. Normally they always get a balanced meal with protein, vegetables, fruit and rice, noodles or potatoes.

Really? Anything from McDonald's is not a meal? Last time I checked they had some pretty reasonable stuff on their menu (also some junk of course). All pizza? That's a really rather large net you're casting for something that amounts to bread, cheese, tomato sauce, and possibly some meat or veggies.

(I'm not going to defend KFC)

 

[PocketZeven]

Really? Anything from McDonald's is not a meal? Last time I checked they had some pretty reasonable stuff on their menu (also some junk of course). All pizza? That's a really rather large net you're casting for something that amounts to bread, cheese, tomato sauce, and possibly some meat or veggies.

(I'm not going to defend KFC)

You cannot stay healthy and eat MCdonalds to replace every meal in the week. Eating Pizza as a meal replacement everyday is also not healthy.

 

[Danoff]

You cannot stay healthy and eat MCdonalds to replace every meal in the week. Eating Pizza as a meal replacement everyday is also not healthy.

Shifted goalpost. Guilty pleasure or "not a meal" is not the same thing as "this is appropriate to eat every single day" or "this is appropriate to eat for every single meal".

 

[PocketZeven]

Shifted goalpost. Guilty pleasure or "not a meal" is not the same thing as "this is appropriate to eat every single day" or "this is appropriate to eat for every single meal".

What are you going on about? What is your interpertation of guilty pleasure? In my use a guilty pleasure can replace a meal. It just isnt healthy. My understanding in the US is that more often then in europe a fastfood meal is seen as a regular meal.

 

[DDastardly00]

McDonald's does have a lot more healthy options now than they used to.

Egg White Delight McMuffin

280 calories, 10g fat, 2g fiber, 18g protein

Fruit ‘N Yogurt Parfait

150 calories, 2g fat, 1g fiber, 4g protein

Even Menu items like their Hamburger are actually not bad:

Hamburger

250 calories, 8g fat, 1g fiber, 13g protein


Artisan Grilled Chicken Sandwich

380 calories, 6g fat, 2g fiber, 36g protein

6g of fat and 36g of Protein? Sign me up for that.



Southwest Grilled Chicken Salad

350 calories, 11g fat, 6g fiber, 37g protein

grilled chicken, black beans, roasted corns, tomatoes, poblano peppers, tortilla strips, and not one but two kinds of cheese. It all gets topped off with a punchy cilantro lime dressing
-All 4 food groups, balanced, just 350 calories and 37g.

My point is that McDonald's menu does offer a good amount of healthy options and it is no longer true that everything is just junk. Theoretically, you could eat there everyday and actually lose weight if you stuck to the healthy menu choices. McDonald's started revamping their menu, I believe it was in the early 2000's, to offer healthier options because they were losing business to other chains like Subway, and Wendys. Those places were already offering healthier options on their menus.

 

[Danoff]

What are you going on about? What is your interpertation of guilty pleasure? In my use a guilty pleasure can replace a meal. It just isnt healthy. My understanding in the US is that more often then in europe a fastfood meal is seen as a regular meal.

What I'm going on about is asking you what you're going on about.

Let's start with the post I was responding to. You are seemingly conflating that idea of what is a "guilty pleasure" or not a "meal" with something that you cannot healthfully eat every single day or every single meal. Why is that? There are plenty of meals that are perfectly healthy as part of a diet which includes a variety from one meal or day to the next.

I can tell you why you conflated these concepts, because you wanted to make it easier to make your argument.

 

[PocketZeven]

What I'm going on about is asking you what you're going on about.

Let's start with the post I was responding to. You are seemingly conflating that idea of what is a "guilty pleasure" or not a "meal" with something that you cannot healthfully eat every single day or every single meal. Why is that? There are plenty of meals that are perfectly healthy as part of a diet which includes a variety from one meal or day to the next.

I can tell you why you conflated these two, because you wanted to make it easier to make your argument.

Which argument exactly? That meals within a school environment should not contain fastfood items?

 

[Dotini]

As a rule, I strictly avoid fast food and McDonald's. However, and this is significant, sometimes out at my fishing cabin I need to do hard work outdoors for 8-12 hours without a meal break and not get tired or hungry in the meantime. In such a case, I have found that I don't get tired or hungry for a long time after I consume (2) Sausage & Egg McMuffins with Cheese.

 

[Danoff]

Which argument exactly? That meals within a school environment should not contain fastfood items?

That "fast food" is not a "meal" and is a "guilty pleasure". It's easier to make that argument if you pretend that "meals" are something that can be eaten every day or for every single meal without any health consequences. You've shifted the goalpost of "meal" or "guilty pleasure" to mean something which almost no meal achieves. You're then using that standard, which almost no meal achieves, to claim that fast food is necessarily inadequate or poor nutrition.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I suspect that with the amount of processing that goes into most things that appear on a fast food menu, even the items that seem fairly innocuous are things that you really shouldn't be eating. I haven't been to a true fast food place (I don't count In-N-Out) for probably over a year....but I've been craving taco bell lately.....

That "fast food" is not a "meal" and is a "guilty pleasure". It's easier to make that argument if you pretend that "meals" are something that can be eaten every day or for every single meal without any health consequences. You've shifted the goalpost of "meal" or "guilty pleasure" to mean something which almost no meal achieves. You're then using that standard, which almost no meal achieves, to claim that fast food is necessarily inadequate or poor nutrition.

I think you read Mariana's Trench deep into his post when maybe Continental Shelf might have sufficed.

 

[ryzno]

So, food must be the hot topic in America today.

 

[Blitz24]

So, food must be the hot topic in America today.

Usually is. Otherwise we all fall dead within 24 to 48 hours.

 

[Danoff]

I suspect that with the amount of processing that goes into most things that appear on a fast food menu, even the items that seem fairly innocuous are things that you really shouldn't be eating. I haven't been to a true fast food place (I don't count In-N-Out) for probably over a year....but I've been craving taco bell lately.....



I think you read Mariana's Trench deep into his post when maybe Continental Shelf might have sufficed.

Alrighty bud, I'm going Mariana's trench on you!

So what do you mean when you say fast food? Because In-N-Out is fast food, and there is no questioning that.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Alrighty bud, I'm going Mariana's trench on you!

So what do you mean when you say fast food? Because In-N-Out is fast food, and there is no questioning that.

Please don't challenge world view on this issue. In-N-Out is healthy & pure, damn it!

 

[Danoff]

Please don't challenge world view on this issue. In-N-Out is healthy & pure, damn it!

It's almost as though fast food is really a description of how the food gets to you and not a description of its nutritional content.

 

[TexRex]

I suspect that with the amount of processing that goes into most things that appear on a fast food menu, even the items that seem fairly innocuous are things that you really shouldn't be eating.

I think that's absolutely the elephant in the room, but I'm compelled to note that "processed foods" (because that encompasses a great deal) aren't harmful in and of themselves. The matter isn't helped when people specify convenience foods, because there are definitely those that are harmful, but there are also definitely those that are not harmful. The real issue is what's being processed out of (often good things) and into (often bad things) our food.

Another matter of concern is what our food is before it even undergoes processing. When things are produced with an emphasis on speed and yield, one of the first things to go is often what made that thing desirable to begin with: flavor. That thing then undergoes processing to make it more desirable, which means adding things like sodium, sugar and [often bad] fat.

What I'd really like to see is people being more educated about what they're putting into their bodies. They may not subsequently make smarter choices, for whatever reason, but they can't make smarter choices if they haven't a clue what their choices actually mean.

I've been craving taco bell lately

You have my condolences.

 

[Danoff]

What I'd really like to see is people being more educated about what they're putting into their bodies. They may not subsequently make smarter choices, for whatever reason, but they can't make smarter choices if they haven't a clue what their choices actually mean.

It would really help if there were some sort of scientific consensus about what constitutes good for you and bad for you and to what degree. Instead all that happens is that the latest scientific study seems to undermine the previous one.

 

[TexRex]

It would really help if there were some sort of scientific consensus about what constitutes good for you and bad for you and to what degree. Instead all that happens is that the latest scientific study seems to undermine the previous one.

Of course what's good or bad for you is subjective, and that's without even getting into the individual's needs and limitations, but I think knowing what food is is a really good start.

And then there's those studies to which you refer...I mean...maybe I'm a cynic, but the first question I always ask when I see one of these is "Who paid for it?"

"Riced" cauliflower may not be the healthy rice alternative you think it is.

*Paid for by the American Rice Growers Council*

 

[Danoff]

Of course what's good or bad for you is subjective, and that's without even getting into the individual's needs and limitations, but I think knowing what food is is a really good start.

And then there's those studies to which you refer...I mean...maybe I'm a cynic, but the first question I always ask when I see one of these is "Who paid for it?"

The only thing these days that I'm like really confident in is that sugar in high doses is a bad idea. Of course I just finished a soda so...

 

[DDastardly00]

The flooding hasn't stopped and will only get worse, this is just sad,
but the silver lining is it also shows the resilience of the good people of OK and neighbors helping neighbors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/us/floods-oklahoma-braggs.html

 

[PocketZeven]

That "fast food" is not a "meal" and is a "guilty pleasure". It's easier to make that argument if you pretend that "meals" are something that can be eaten every day or for every single meal without any health consequences. You've shifted the goalpost of "meal" or "guilty pleasure" to mean something which almost no meal achieves. You're then using that standard, which almost no meal achieves, to claim that fast food is necessarily inadequate or poor nutrition.

What do shifting goalposts have to do with here? You really lost me. The overall concencus is that fastfood is unhealthy, apparantly there are still people who try their best to prove otherwise.

 

[Famine]

What do shifting goalposts have to do with here? You really lost me.

Seems quite an easy chain to follow to me:

Children are way to early introduced fastfood as a meal replacement, that it becomes normal.

We have a lot of fastfood here in my country too. But it is more viewed as a guilty pleasure then an actual meal.

Here you state that fast food is not "an actual meal", but "a meal replacement" and "a guilty pleasure".

You cannot stay healthy and eat MCdonalds to replace every meal in the week. Eating Pizza as a meal replacement everyday is also not healthy.

Here you state that you cannot replace every meal with fast food and stay healthy.

Shifted goalpost. Guilty pleasure or "not a meal" is not the same thing as "this is appropriate to eat every single day" or "this is appropriate to eat for every single meal".

Here @Danoff points out that just because something isn't appropriate to eat for every meal it does not become something other than a meal, and you have "shifted the goalposts" (changed the target of your argument) from fast food not being a meal to not being something you can eat for every meal, while he is addressing your first argument that it is not a meal.

You are seemingly conflating that idea of what is a "guilty pleasure" or not a "meal" with something that you cannot healthfully eat every single day or every single meal. Why is that?

Here @Danoff points out that you have conflated something that isn't appropriate to eat for every meal with something that is not a meal at all, after you ask "what are you going on about".

You've shifted the goalpost of "meal" or "guilty pleasure" to mean something which almost no meal achieves. You're then using that standard, which almost no meal achieves, to claim that fast food is necessarily inadequate or poor nutrition.

Here @Danoff restates the same thing, and reminds you that almost no meal will meet the standard of "something you can replace every meal with and stay healthy" you laid out against fast food being a meal.


I'll do the same thing here: If you replaced every meal with a full English breakfast you would doubtless soon discover some ill effect, but that doesn't make a full English breakfast not a meal.

Fast food is, similarly, still "a meal" but like so many others it's not necessarily one that should be eaten with any great frequency.


Also, McDonalds has been producing wraps, salads, salad and fruit portions, for years even in Europe and provides nutrition information on all products. I think it's time to get away from the idea that it's a greasy hovel you eat huge, heart-clogging burgers at.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Objection! Badgering the witness!!

 

[PocketZeven]

Seems quite an easy chain to follow to me:

Here you state that fast food is not "an actual meal", but "a meal replacement" and "a guilty pleasure".

Here you state that you cannot replace every meal with fast food and stay healthy.

Here @Danoff points out that just because something isn't appropriate to eat for every meal it does not become something other than a meal, and you have "shifted the goalposts" (changed the target of your argument) from fast food not being a meal to not being something you can eat for every meal, while he is addressing your first argument that it is not a meal.

Here @Danoff points out that you have conflated something that isn't appropriate to eat for every meal with something that is not a meal at all, after you ask "what are you going on about".

Here @Danoff restates the same thing, and reminds you that almost no meal will meet the standard of "something you can replace every meal with and stay healthy" you laid out against fast food being a meal.


I'll do the same thing here: If you replaced every meal with a full English breakfast you would doubtless soon discover some ill effect, but that doesn't make a full English breakfast not a meal.

Fast food is, similarly, still "a meal" but like so many others it's not necessarily one that should be eaten with any great frequency.


Also, McDonalds has been producing wraps, salads, salad and fruit portions, for years even in Europe and provides nutrition information on all products. I think it's time to get away from the idea that it's a greasy hovel you eat huge, heart-clogging burgers at.

You are going beyond my thinking here. This is starting to look like singling me out. All I am saying is that eating healthy starts at school.
You and danoff are somehow looking for some hidden meaning. Its quite clear what I am saying here, I dont have a hidden agenda. Why focus on very specific words, just for the sake of it? I did not even say fastfood isnt a meal?!?!?

 

[Famine]

You are going beyond my thinking here.

I'm literally only going by what you've written (and I suspect @Danoff is too). If you've typed that far but not thought that far, perhaps think further before typing?

This is starting to look like singling me out.

You seemed incredibly baffled by what @Danoff was saying, and I've pointed out that it's a really easy chain to follow and explained it to you.

Of course I've quoted you and your posts, and addressed you, because you and your posts were central to the discussion, and I was clarifying, for you, what @Danoff was saying in order to allay your confusion. How would I do that without addressing you or quoting your posts?

Why focus on very specific words, just for the sake of it?

Again, that's how language works. Words have meanings, often very specific meanings, and if you type them that's all we have to go on. We don't know what's in your head, we don't know what you mean but didn't type, we don't know what you type but didn't mean. We only know what the words on the screen are. If you mean something other than what you've typed, type something else.

All I am saying is that eating healthy starts at school.

Actually you said several things beside that, in the same post. You said fast food is not a meal and you said it is a guilty pleasure. When challenged, you said that you could not eat fast food for every meal and stay healthy - which either suggests that no food you cannot eat for every meal is a meal (which is close on all of them) or it's not a response to the challenge about fast food meal status.

If you hadn't said those things, the discussion on why you had said them wouldn't have happened at all.


Of course fast food is a meal, but not one you should eat with any particularly high frequency. Not that this is news to... well anyone.

 

[PocketZeven]

I'm literally only going by what you've written (and I suspect @Danoff is too). If you've typed that far but not thought that far, perhaps think further before typing?

You seemed incredibly baffled by what @Danoff was saying, and I've pointed out that it's a really easy chain to follow and explained it to you.

Of course I've quoted you and your posts, and addressed you, because you and your posts were central to the discussion, and I was clarifying, for you, what @Danoff was saying in order to allay your confusion. How would I do that without addressing you or quoting your posts?

Again, that's how language works. Words have meanings, often very specific meanings, and if you type them that's all we have to go on. We don't know what's in your head, we don't know what you mean but didn't type, we don't know what you type but didn't mean. We only know what the words on the screen are. If you mean something other than what you've typed, type something else.

Actually you said several things beside that, in the same post. You said fast food is not a meal and you said it is a guilty pleasure. When challenged, you said that you could not eat fast food for every meal and stay healthy - which either suggests that no food you cannot eat for every meal is a meal or it's not a response to the challenge about fast food being a meal.

If you hadn't said those things, the discussion on why you had said them wouldn't have happened at all.

I am still confused?!?! when did I say fastfood isnt a meal? (the source of all this confusion)

Really? Anything from McDonald's is not a meal? Last time I checked they had some pretty reasonable stuff on their menu (also some junk of course). All pizza? That's a really rather large net you're casting for something that amounts to bread, cheese, tomato sauce, and possibly some meat or veggies.

(I'm not going to defend KFC)

Not a good replacement for a meal does not mean it isnt a meal at all.

 

[Leo Thorne]

CNN poll shows that 54% of Americans think that Trump will win next year. Ouch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ll-trump-prediction-economy-issues/index.html

 

[Famine]

I am still confused?!?! when did I say fastfood isnt a meal? (the source of all this confusion)

Oh boy, here we go again.

You did it twice within one post:

Children are way to early introduced fastfood as a meal replacement

But it is more viewed as a guilty pleasure then an actual meal.

It's a guilty pleasure rather than "an actual meal", and it's a "meal replacement" (a replacement being something that is not the original item but is used to fill the purpose of that item; words have meanings, folks!)

Edit: Hoooh, man

replacement for a meal