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He is an unhinged sociopath.

The special gift that keeps on giving. The specialest gift.

But to be honest, I think the Orange One is such a spoiled brat, he probably never heard anyone say no to him, and his special followers in Washington aren't any different.

Just for once I would like to see one of his advisers just take away his microphone and slap him on the back of the head and correct his poop spouting. It has been fun for a while, but it is turning into a dangerous situation for a lot of people to have such an idiot on such a high profile position. And the worst part is that coming election you have 2 of them running for the position. Now more than ever the need for rogue Demopublicans is here. Instead of going for that party hive mind, sacrifice the red and blue and support any/everything else.
 
his special followers in Washington aren't any different.

I don't understand the tens, hundreds, possibly thousands of Waylon Smitherses in his extended entourage, the bootlicking enablers, who cater to his every whim and enable whatever delusional fantasy he wants.

Don't you have more self-respect than being undefiantly and grovellingly subserviant to a global laughing stock and embarrassment?
 
I don't understand the tens, hundreds, possibly thousands of Waylon Smitherses in his extended entourage, the bootlicking enablers, who cater to his every whim and enable whatever delusional fantasy he wants.

Licking the hole clean to keep the plush job. Like most politicians around the world. Only serving themselves to keep a job.
 
Licking the hole clean to keep the plush job.
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What... what actual timeline are we in? Why is this... why... I mean, how?



I have to admit, if I only had half of a brain cell, this is pretty convincing and motivating...

I don't understand the tens, hundreds, possibly thousands of Waylon Smitherses in his extended entourage, the bootlicking enablers, who cater to his every whim and enable whatever delusional fantasy he wants.

Don't you have more self-respect than being undefiantly and grovellingly subserviant to a global laughing stock and embarrassment?

A self serving, egocentric bunch of blind and deaf sheeps who don't see "wrong from Right"...

Let them die of stupidity, unfortunately we have to endure that with them...
 
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I have to admit, if I only had half of a brain cell, this is pretty convincing and motivating...



A self serving, egocentric bunch of blind and deaf sheeps who don't see "wrong from Right"...

Let's them die of stupidity, unfortunately we have to endure that with them...
So these are the Obamagate shock troops that made the video, and Trump retweeted to yet again steer and dominate the conversation? This is a new sort of political propaganda machine, I guess. If it works, will everyone do it?
 
By the time Trump placed travel restrictions on China, there were already cases in the United States. National security advisers had warned Trump, in early January, that the virus would quickly reach the US, yet he didn't take action until Jan. 31st.
The first US case was January 21st. A person that had just returned from Wohan. I guess you would have him shut down the whole economy right then.

He did nothing to address the testing shortages, and waited until mid-March to declare a National Emergency, which would allow extra funding/aid.
He set up the task force 8 days later on January 29th. I wonder what their job was? Perhaps to prepare for testing, and containment measures?

Two days after that he put the travel ban in place. Maybe he should have shut the economy down instead. Of course the first death in the US didn't happen until a month later on February 29th. Surly after one person died, we should all have been ordered to stay at home.

In late February, while the virus was ravaging China, S. Korea, Japan, Italy, Spain, etc, Trump commented "it's pretty close to airtight. It will disappear".
No one in the US had died, the experts said there was little threat. He is the President, not an epidemiologist, and not a prognosticator. Containment was the message. MERS, and Ebola had both been contained, there was no reason to think this could not also be contained.

The Chinese Communist Party and the WHO lied about the virus, that is why US health officials were caught off guard.

Not to mention a Pew research poll reveals that 2/3 of Americans believe that Trump acted too late. That means, even some Republicans disagreed.
Yeah, that is a real fact, but it means nothing. Perhaps if the general public weren't so gaslighted by the press they wouldn't feel that way.

Also, since when did any DiMocRaT say that restricting travel with China was "racist" or "xenophobic". This was literally the solution that the World Health Organization proposed that Trump initially ignored. I've not heard one Democrat politician or prominent commentator claim that there's racism in doing that. Are you just pulling that out of your ass now?

From February 4:
WHO urges against China travel bans as coronavirus cases soar past 20,000
 
The first US case was January 21st. A person that had just returned from Wohan. I guess you would have him shut down the whole economy right then.

He set up the task force 8 days later on January 29th. I wonder what their job was? Perhaps to prepare for testing, and containment measures?

Two days after that he put the travel ban in place. Maybe he should have shut the economy down instead. Of course the first death in the US didn't happen until a month later on February 29th. Surly after one person died, we should all have been ordered to stay at home.

No one in the US had died, the experts said there was little threat. He is the President, not an epidemiologist, and not a prognosticator. Containment was the message. MERS, and Ebola had both been contained, there was no reason to think this could not also be contained.

The Chinese Communist Party and the WHO lied about the virus, that is why US health officials were caught off guard.

Yeah, that is a real fact, but it means nothing. Perhaps if the general public weren't so gaslighted by the press they wouldn't feel that way.


From February 4:
WHO urges against China travel bans as coronavirus cases soar past 20,000


It's not clear what you are trying to say...


... but it seems you got it all wrong.

1) You dont wait until you see the first death in the US in order to start deciding when to shut down and contain the whole thing, you do it immediately by looking and learning from other countries and what the situation is/was... by end of January, we already had a map of how the illness was/had travel across continents

2) Task force was created, but what did they do exactly as you have said... what? Trying to decide not to shut down the country? I thought Trump was a fervent proponent for closing down the borders asap ... why didn't he do it then?

We all already knew that shutting down the country would have lasting effect, yes we all agree, BUT that task force CLEARLY forgot to think that shutting down the country later ONLY when the illness has already widespread reaches all across the country; THAT is way worse, and that is the route they mistakenly took...

That right there is the #1 failure of that president and the task force... they acted too late, when they already had all the warning and information necessary.

When the actual lock down of the country was announced, (whenever that was, i dont have the date), it was only damage control... For a country such as this, this is FAILURE... we are smart enough for a country we should have had done PREVENTION instead of damage control.

Tell me where that administration has correctly acted ? answer: they have not.

A lock down was inevitable... doing it early to prevent was the only right answer...
Ordering a lock down after the fact, and when the virus has already spread is the wrong answer to the problem... We are ending up doing more work now due to the lock down than had we prepared ourselves and contained it early on.

It's not rocket science and this administration failed. Period.

trump could have come out of this strong and smart, but no... this country is not a leader in anything at this point, except in number of deaths and affected...

Edit: Trump is responsible for all the deaths.
 
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It's not clear what you are trying to say...


... but it seems you got it all wrong.

1) You dont wait until you see the first death in the US in order to start deciding when to shut down and contain the whole thing, you do it immediately by looking and learning from other countries and what the situation is/was... by end of January, we already had a map of how the illness was/had travel across continents

2) Task force was created, but what did they do exactly as you have said... what? Trying to decide not to shut down the country? I thought Trump was a fervent proponent for closing down the borders asap ... why didn't he do it then?

We all already knew that shutting down the country would have lasting effect, yes we all agree, BUT that task force CLEARLY forgot to think that shutting down the country later ONLY when the illness has already widespread reaches all across the country; THAT is way worse, and that is the route they mistakenly took...

That right there is the #1 failure of that president and the task force... they acted too late, when they already had all the warning and information necessary.

When the actual lock down of the country was announced, (whenever that was, i dont have the date), it was only damage control... For a country such as this, this is FAILURE... we are smart enough for a country we should have had done PREVENTION instead of damage control.

Tell me where that administration has correctly acted ? answer: they have not.

A lock down was inevitable... doing it early to prevent was the only right answer...
Ordering a lock down after the fact, and when the virus has already spread is the wrong answer to the problem... We are ending up doing more work now due to the lock down than had we prepared ourselves and contained it early on.

It's not rocket science and this administration failed. Period.

trump could have come out of this strong and smart, but no... this country is not a leader in anything at this point, except in number of deaths and affected...
Wow. I really want to violate the AUP for this but I won't.

So tell me, exactly when should Trump have used his executive authority to shut down the American economy?
 
The Chinese Communist Party and the WHO lied about the virus, that is why US health officials were caught off guard.
The CCP certainly did, no evidence (and the timelines support this) exist that the WHO did, however, if the US administration hadn't scrapped the embedded epidemiologist in the Chinese version of the CDC last year, that would not have been the case.

Firing the person who is in place to specifically pick up on things like this is not a smart idea, hindsight not required at all.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...na-months-before-virus-outbreak-idUSKBN21910S
 
Trumpism destroyed by...itself.


Democrats investigate Trump no one bats an eye.
Trump investigates Obama everyone loses it.

I have an odd feeling the letters HRC will be coming from this investigation. ;)
 
Democrats investigate Trump no one bats an eye.
Trump investigates Obama everyone loses it.
I may have turned over two pages at once here, but hasn't Trump repeatedly said that things aren't illegal if the President does it? Would that not rather beg the question of why Obama wouldn't also be immune from things he did while President?
 
Democrats investigate Trump no one bats an eye.
Trump investigates Obama everyone loses it.

I have an odd feeling the letters HRC will be coming from this investigation. ;)
I said nothing about Democrats. I said nothing about an investigation, either of Trump or Obama. Nobody mentioned Democrats in that clip. Nobody came off as being against investigation, either of Trump or Obama, in that clip.

I realize it is wont for Trumpkins to view anyone who doesn't kowtow to Trump or Trump's actions, indeed anyone who says anything that falls short of glowing praise of Trump or Trump's actions, as Democrat, but this is stupidity of the highest order.

Trumpism, man...


Also...why did you quote even me when what you had to say had nothing to do with what I posted? Remember when you would flip your lid over others quoting you, and even attempt to shut down others addressing what you say by slipping a "don't quote me" into your posts? How is it not hypocritical of you to not only be the one quoting now, but to do so for no apparent reason?
 
I said nothing about Democrats. I said nothing about an investigation, either of Trump or Obama. Nobody mentioned Democrats in that clip. Nobody came off as being against investigation, either of Trump or Obama, in that clip.

I realize it is wont for Trumpkins to view anyone who doesn't kowtow to Trump or Trump's actions, indeed anyone who says anything that falls short of glowing praise of Trump or Trump's actions, as Democrat, but this is stupidity of the highest order.

Trumpism, man...


Also...why did you quote even me when what you had to say had nothing to do with what I posted? Remember when you would flip your lid over others quoting you, and even attempt to shut down others addressing what you say by slipping a "don't quote me" into your posts? How is it not hypocritical of you to not only be the one quoting now, but to do so for no apparent reason?
I quoted you in response to the video you posted.

And I thought we were over that whole thing...
 
Democrats investigate Trump no one bats an eye.
Trump investigates Obama everyone loses it.

I have an odd feeling the letters HRC will be coming from this investigation. ;)
Hate it to break it to you, but the only people who are lending credence to the Obamagate investigations are those part of the Trump cult. Most other people are smart enough to realize that this is just a distraction technique deployed on the American people to hide Trump's poor handling of the Coronavirus, and just another attempt for Trump to play the victim. He's always the victim of something, I guess.

Russian interference in the 2016 election was an actual, valid concern, hence why it warranted an investigation that took up two years. If it was all just a "hoax" then want to explain why 27 people connected to Trump were convicted?
 
I quoted you in response to the video you posted.
No, you didn't. I went into that in my post above. The response may have been directed at the video, but it fell well short of being a response to the video.

And I thought we were over that whole thing...
The quoting thing? I'm still flummoxed it was a thing at all. If you don't want to be quoted, don't post. That isn't by any means an assertion that you shouldn't post, of course. This is a discussion forum; exchanges are to be expected and are even [usually] desirable.
 
Most other people are smart enough to realize that this is just a distraction technique deployed on the American people to hide Trump's poor handling of the Coronavirus, and just another attempt for Trump to play the victim.
I agree with the victim card thing. I think it's a early move for him trying to cement votes come November. Also I didn't know we as humans have to rely on our President to tell us what to do in case of a health crisis.
Our Governors have been doing what they want regardless of what he says anyways, why start listening now? Oh yeah to find something to complain about...
I think he handed it poorly too. He shouldn't have locked down our economy or put us another $2T in debt with one signature that did more for corporate America than us essential workers who never stopped building for the same ungrateful corporate America!

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The response may have been directed at the video, but it fell well short of being a response to the video.
If that's how you want to feel about it so be it.

And again I thought we were over that? I haven't said that nor really posted in a good while.
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Moving along...
 
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Democrats investigate Trump no one bats an eye.
Trump investigates Obama everyone loses it.

I have an odd feeling the letters HRC will be coming from this investigation. ;)

One's the president, one's not. Any currently acting president deserves scrutiny for action they're doing that are potentially illegal. Once you're no longer president, it doesn't really matter because what's done is done and there's not much anyone can do about it. Obama can't be retroactively removed from office nor will he ever end up in any kind of prison. Trump, however, can be removed from office if it's determined he did something illegal.

Should Obama have been investigated while president? Probably. Should he be investigated now? Absolutely not since it's just a massive waste of tax dollars and time. Unless of course, he does something illegal now.

Say Obama is found guilty of whatever Trump is accusing him of, what's going to be the outcome? Outside the media having a field day, absolutely nothing. Some will say his presidency has been tarnished or some BS, but in reality, most people won't care. Those who think Obama was literally Hitler will still think that and those who think he was literally Jesus won't care either. The rest of us will see it for what it is, a massive waste of our money.
 
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I think he handed it poorly too. He shouldn't have locked down our economy or put us another $2T in debt
Out of curiosity, what would be the solution in your opinion? Is there even a way to keep the economy open without lives being sacrificed the way they are?

with one signature that did more for corporate America than us essential workers who never stopped building for the same ungrateful corporate America!
Pretty much sums up why I'm a leftist. Late stage capitalism in action.
 
Out of curiosity, what would be the solution in your opinion? Is there even a way to keep the economy open without lives being sacrificed the way they are?
Left everything the way it was. I am one of those people sacrificing myself for our economy.
Besides the mandatory 2 weeks I was made to take off and not compensated for with the ridiculous unemployment "bonus" they approved.(I can go on a huge rant about that!)
It's literally been business as usual for me.

Pretty much sums up why I'm a leftist.
To each their own, I'm just glad the round 2 $3T bailout your friends tried to pass is DoA as far as Trump is concerned...
And you know they'd use how much the deficit skyrocketed come election time even though they were the ones that wanted it in the first place.

No one and nothing should have been/should be bailed out. If a multi billion dollar company can't survive even though hardly anything really closed they deserve to fail, especially considering they think $1200 compensated me for my time off.
Though my Honda does enjoy her new axles and wheel bearings. ;)
 
My understanding is that a president in office cannot be charged with a crime. The remedy is impeachment.
A former president can be charged with a crime. He cannot be impeached.
 
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