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The democrats have moved their party so far to the left, I have no choice but to support Trump.
Riiight, because Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, and Schumer are such leftists, aren't they. Last month, the DNC voted almost unanimously to reject Medicare for All, free public college, legalization of marijuana, and standing up against illegal Israeli occupation. Unfortunately (for me, at least) I don't see the Democrat party moving farther left at all. If anything the party is so beholden to the interests of what I call the "Big Five" which would be Wall St., pharmaceutical/healthcare companies, defense contractors, the fossil fuel industry, and the Israel lobby that they're basically the lite version of the Republican party. True leftist change could never occur unless big money is wiped out from our political system, and that all starts with voting for individuals who are funded by only small-dollar donations and put getting money out of politics as a centerpiece of their campaigns, like Bernie, AOC, Katie Porter, Jamaal Bowman, etc. That's the swamp that I'd like to drain! Both parties are virtually completely corporate parties; the Democrat Party is not the "Workers Party" or is the "Left Party".

I will give you this, though. The Democratic Party has certainly moved farther left when it comes to virtue signaling, though that's entirely insignificant when it comes to policy. Because if you're a corporate Democrat politician with no real principles and you need to differentiate yourself from the Republicans, what do you do? You act all "woke" yet do nothing to substantively change the issues you pretend to care so much about.

Am I missing something though? Has the democratic become this radical left party all before my eyes? Please enlighten me as to why you think the Democratic party has moved "so far left", as in, bring up actual policies which could be described as leftist. I gave my explanation as to why I do not think the current Democratic party is a leftist party, so I'd like to hear why you think the opposite.
 
Yes, well that is what it is called. Though the article you linked to is bollocks. (did I use that word correctly?)
It's also a far-right conspiracy theory, one that you acknowledge you subscribe to, thanks for the clarification (oh and no you didn't use it correctly, it has to actually be bollocks to be described as bollocks).

https://www.researchgate.net/public...t-right_Notes_on_the_Myth_of_Cultural_Marxism

How about the first one.
"Our democracy’s founding ideals were false when they were written. Black Americans have fought to make them true."
The ideals this country was founded on were not false.
The 13th, 15th and 19th amendments would prove otherwise!

Hell, all 27 amendments prove otherwise, but those three specifically point to direct issues with representation and socio-economic issues with the original ideals, that is unless you agree with ideas that do not prohibit slavery and limit the right to vote?

Or the second, I couldn't cut and paste it and not gonna waste time writing it. But it called capitalism, brutality.
Capitalism, the greatest economic system ever devised by man, has help countless millions pull themselves out of poverty.
No wonder you did not want to write it out, let me.

"If you want to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start with the plantation"

Now I do have to wonder about the mindset that reads that and the first thing they jump to is that its an attack on all forms of capitalism, and not the rather straightforward issue that an economic system built on slavery (plantation is the big clue to that - you know the word you avoided) is wrong and could well be described as brutal!

Nor does it describe all capitalism as brutal, but specifically American capitalism, and they have a point. The one that drives millions of people into bankruptcy due to privatised medical care (the only developed country in the world this occurs in), the one that the wealth gap is growing and has grown since the great depression favouring only the very richest at the expense of everyone else. Capitalism is like any other economic model, it comes in many flavours and has its strengths and weaknesses, to blindly defend it as you have done while ignoring the root of slavery in the US (and a number of European models) is to put yourself in a pretty much unsupportable position.

All of which is actually covered in the article the quote is from, which you would be aware of had you a. bothered to quote it correctly, and b. bothered to read the article itself.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

Training that starts off with the premise, that if you are white, you are racist, is racist.
Good job it doesn't then.

That is, however, the common myth pedalled by the far-right over the idea that being white (and straight and male) provides certain subconscious advantages, is in fact in some way saying that being white makes you a racist.

I sat through a four hour HR meeting of some such thing back in about '95 or '96.
So a quarter of a century ago, and with the rather clear bias you've already laid out above, I'm just going to say that your anecdote isn't worth a great deal at all.


Riiight, because Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, and Schumer are such leftists, aren't they. Last month, the DNC voted almost unanimously to reject Medicare for All, free public college, legalization of marijuana, and standing up against illegal Israeli occupation. Unfortunately (for me, at least) I don't see the Democrat party moving farther left at all. If anything the party is so beholden to the interests of what I call the "Big Five" which would be Wall St., pharmaceutical/healthcare companies, defense contractors, the fossil fuel industry, and the Israel lobby that they're basically the lite version of the Republican party. True leftist change could never occur unless big money is wiped out from our political system, and that all starts with voting for individuals who are funded by only small-dollar donations and put getting money out of politics as a centerpiece of their campaigns, like Bernie, AOC, Katie Porter, Jamaal Bowman, etc. That's the swamp that I'd like to drain! Both parties are virtually completely corporate parties; the Democrat Party is not the "Workers Party" or is the "Left Party".

I will give you this, though. The Democratic Party has certainly moved farther left when it comes to virtue signaling, though that's entirely insignificant when it comes to policy. Because if you're a corporate Democrat politician with no real principles and you need to differentiate yourself from the Republicans, what do you do? You act all "woke" yet do nothing to substantively change the issues you pretend to care so much about.

Am I missing something though? Has the democratic become this radical left party all before my eyes? Please enlighten me as to why you think the Democratic party has moved "so far left", as in, bring up actual policies which could be described as leftist. I gave my explanation as to why I do not think the current Democratic party is a leftist party, so I'd like to hear why you think the opposite.
I have to say as a European I find it hilarious when either party in the US is described as 'left', let along 'far-left', they are all right-wing, it's more a case of being either centre-right (Democratic Party at its most left-wing) or increasingly hard-right (Republicans right now).

Even the likes of AOC and Bernie would be pretty much centre to mild left-wing in most Europen countries.
 
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Riiight, because Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, and Schumer are such leftists, aren't they. Last month, the DNC voted almost unanimously to reject Medicare for All, free public college, legalization of marijuana, and standing up against illegal Israeli occupation. Unfortunately (for me, at least) I don't see the Democrat party moving farther left at all. If anything the party is so beholden to the interests of what I call the "Big Five" which would be Wall St., pharmaceutical/healthcare companies, defense contractors, the fossil fuel industry, and the Israel lobby that they're basically the lite version of the Republican party. True leftist change could never occur unless big money is wiped out from our political system, and that all starts with voting for individuals who are funded by only small-dollar donations and put getting money out of politics as a centerpiece of their campaigns, like Bernie, AOC, Katie Porter, Jamaal Bowman, etc. That's the swamp that I'd like to drain! Both parties are virtually completely corporate parties; the Democrat Party is not the "Workers Party" or is the "Left Party".

I will give you this, though. The Democratic Party has certainly moved farther left when it comes to virtue signaling, though that's entirely insignificant when it comes to policy. Because if you're a corporate Democrat politician with no real principles and you need to differentiate yourself from the Republicans, what do you do? You act all "woke" yet do nothing to substantively change the issues you pretend to care so much about.

Am I missing something though? Has the democratic become this radical left party all before my eyes? Please enlighten me as to why you think the Democratic party has moved "so far left", as in, bring up actual policies which could be described as leftist. I gave my explanation as to why I do not think the current Democratic party is a leftist party, so I'd like to hear why you think the opposite.
Let's be real, he doesn't care about policies, it's all about Political correctness.

Trump could literally round up his enemies in detention centres and starve them but as long as he says leftist bad his followers will love it, the ever moving goal posts on his economic policy prove the point.

You don't see PJW(who I assume he watches) ever talk about economic policy for a reason.
 
Training that starts off with the premise, that if you are white, you are racist, is racist.



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An unsourced parody picture somehow proves the existence of racist diversity training? Has this somehow become the meme thread? I guess the problem with decrying the media as false is that one then ends up having to fabricate one's own strawmen or rely on isolated YouTube rant merchants to bolster one's talking points as the press is all somehow "suspect".

At any rate, re @Scaff, as far as Democrat policies which could be described as leftist, for some reason I think Republicans seem to see a policy which emphasises moving towards renewable energy sources as some kind of communist manifesto.
 
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I'm late, saw this on my family's feeds, but this dude is something else...
IMPORTANT PAYROLL TAX ORDER

A payroll tax deferral went into affect on September 3, 2020. If you look at your paystub you will notice that more money is in your check. This was done by the President. The catch is the deferred tax must be paid back in 2021. That means you will be taxed DOUBLE in each check starting in January of 2021. Example: if you normally have $100.00 dollars in tax coming out each paycheck it will be $200.00 in January. Also your HR and Payroll department don't have to inform you that they opted into the program. However, you have the RIGHT to inform them that you want to continue to have taxes taken out as usual and they have to comply. The following is from the executive order: The payroll tax deferral takes effect Sept. 1. What it really means for your paycheck. President Trump issued an executive order to defer the 6.2% tax employees pay toward Social Security from Sept. 1 until Dec. 31. ... It must be paid by April 30, or else penalties, interest and other taxes will apply.Aug 31, 2020.
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Seems pretty racist to assume non-whites see racism in whatever white people do. Most realistically don't actually care.

Also odd that right-leaning white people seem to bring this up just as much, if not more, than any one else does. Almost like they're trying to find a way to be a victim of racial oppression so they can knock down an opposing side.
 
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Also, with his banning of bump stocks, he turned legal firearm owners into felons overnight. That goes against the Second Amendment and why the NRA still thinks it's OK to support Trump is beyond me. They shouldn't support Biden either.

Trump is much less likely to do anything about the leadership's embezzling funds gravy train.
 
Trump is trying to preserve American history.

No. Not even close.

The 1619 project is marxist crap.

Misused the word "marxist".

Go to the website, scroll through their silly interface and look at the excerpts of the esseys. It is not history and shouldn't be in the classroom.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

I agree. Most of those excerpts are nonsense that public schools shouldn't be teaching. I have some concerns about the federal government dictating what can't be said in public schools though, but that stems from systemic problems with government-run education.

This and getting rid of diveeeercity training in less than a week, Trump is on a roll!

Trump didn't get rid of diversity or inclusion training (and btw, he's been in office 4 years, not less than a week). He demanded that specific kinds of training be removed, and as I said, I'm having a hard time finding that training in the federal government. He's on a roll? It looks like he's punching strawmen to make you think he's important.
 
Nope. Imagine that I murder somebody with me gun and then I see that you, a naturally horrified member of the public, are about to shoot me to protect yourself and others from my murderings. If I shoot you too then, while that might be a literal act of self-defence, it is not a legal defence for your shooting. The "lawyer" video gives a pretty fringe interpretation of self-defence, imo.

We'll see how the trial unfolds. I don't know it works in the US but where I live I can't attack or shoot anybody just because he have a gun, someone yells something about killing and he runs away and he isn't active threat.

That claim was made after the incident.

Does it make any difference, he confessed intent.

It's the same as nutjob who killed a guy with maga hat and then he confessed to murder and said some crazy stuff about civil war.

This is a rough argument to make, esp. if you're acknowledging the possibility that the first death wasn't in self-defense.

If I get into an argument with someone around a crowd & kill them, I can't argue "self-defense" if said crowd retaliates and wants to stop me.

I'm acknowledging that not everything is on the video, but from what we saw it's highly unlikely Kyle shoot because someone yells at him.


Seems pretty racist to assume non-whites see racism in whatever white people do. Most realistically don't actually care.

BLM cares and is trying to propagate this idea of race struggle to mainstream.
 
Does it make any difference, he confessed intent.
It does when you look at who's the one saying it.

See, as far as I can find (& this is from Andy Ngo's own Twitter as "proof"), Gaige Grosskreutz didn't say this himself. His friend, Jacob Marshall is the one who claims Gaige said it when he met him in the hospital. Depending on how the court approaches it, it could be seen as hearsay evidence & either thrown out or have to be verified through more in-depth means to show Gaige said it with full conviction or if he was simply angry over learning what happened after he was shot.

Completely depends on how a lawyer will argue for or against. Only thing I can see again, is that the comment doesn't appear to have come directly from Gaige himself.
It's the same as nutjob who killed a guy with maga hat and then he confessed to murder and said some crazy stuff about civil war.
It's not the same as noted above. If that man openly confessed, that's coming direct from the shooter. The claim against Gaige is from another party, commenting on behalf of Gaige. I guess if he wanted to, Gaige could claim he didn't say that & they would have to question him & Jacob to see if there was legitimacy there.
I'm acknowledging that not everything is on the video, but from what we saw it's highly unlikely Kyle shoot because someone yells at him.
We'll have to see. There's a witness on the other side, that was claiming he saw Kyle earlier pointing his gun at people and yelling at them to get out of a car.
BLM cares and is trying to propagate this idea of race struggle to mainstream.
BLM is not pushing the idea that everything a white person does is racist. This is deceptive fear-mongering by the right to make people be afraid of the movement, as if black people will openly start trying to lynch white people if they get a chance.
 
Confirming what many would like to deny


"Trump said he deliberately played down the threat of pandemic and said he feels no responsibility to better understand the anger and pain of Black Americans."
 
Confirming what many would like to deny


"Trump said he deliberately played down the threat of pandemic and said he feels no responsibility to better understand the anger and pain of Black Americans."

Confirmed or another guy selling a book?
 
2nd Amendment:
Wow Trump so easily accomplished saving lives when those clowns in Congress did nothing. What a bunch of clowns. Only criminals could want something like that, so good riddance.

1st Amendment:
Those people peacefully protesting that we teargassed so Trump could stand in front of church holding a bible upside down should have listened to the police's lawful orders to disperse

1st Amendment:
If that lady wanted to keep her job at Fox maybe she shouldn't have crossed Trump by confirming those things that Trump said about servicemen (that are almost identical to things he said on camera before) were true.

1st Amendment:
Maybe Twitter wouldn't be constantly threatened to be shut down and regulated if they would agree to not let things trend on the website that Trump or his son don't like

Article II Section 3:
Maybe those clowns in Congress should have rubber stamped Trump's political appointees when the country is in a time of emergency. What a bunch of clowns.

Article II Section 1:
If the election was delayed until after the vaccine came out, people would be able to vote safely. After all, there's no other way to vote at all because on an unrelated note the Post Office is way too feeble and underfunded to handle the election, and Trump is just thinking of your safety.

10th Amendment:
Well, maybe if those schools in California didn't want to push a Communist Marxist Socialist agenda rather than The Truth, Trump would't have had to take away their funding. Funding that was only given in the first place on the proviso that schools are forced to open even if they aren't able to keep people safe; and before that was only given after the states were coerced to open.

4th Amendment
If those people didn't want to be randomly abducted by federal agents driving unmarked cars operating outside of their jurisdiction and duties, maybe they shouldn't have been standing within sight of a federal building; and definitely shouldn't have lived in a state run by a Democrat.

5th Amendment
If that black guy didn't want to be shot twelve times in the back while running away from 4 police officers who only knew exactly what he looked like, the make and model and licence plate number of his car and his home address, maybe he should have listened to the cops' lawful orders to drop the weapon he didn't have. Hell, maybe the guy shouldn't have stolen that candy bar when he was in fifth grade; because that made him a CRIMINAL.

10th Amendment
Maybe if those states, those Democrat states, were able to completely stamp out all protesting that's so dangerous and bad when there's a pandemic, Trump wouldn't have to keep threatening to send the US Military in to establish martial law on those big Democrat cities.



Man there sure are a lot of parts to the Constitution that aren't important so long as Trump is the one in office. But it's okay though, because Trump ownz the libz; and there's definitely a long line of Democrats in America who would have done all that AND MORE and WORSE. It's not at all the ramblings of people so completely out of touch with reality that they think that just because someone is running against Donald Trump it means they are so far left that they could run the EU; and dismiss any evidence to the contrary as nonsense.
 
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We know that DJT mainly cares about one person, himself. So that story aligns with his character.

I think we already had other people saying the same about his stance on the virus. He wanted to downplay it so it wouldn't hurt his reelection chances.
 
Didn't Bob Woodward do a political gut punch with his last book? What on earth would cause Trump to allow himself to be interviewed again?

I honestly think Woodward just prefaced by saying "I really, really like you. You're GREAT" after which Trump trusted him completely. That's also what Saudi Arabia and North Korea have done, now that I think about it.
 
I heard he was also nominated for the Nobel peace prize. I wander how and why this has happened?
Don't wander too far. The beaten track is that way.

[EDIT] Inb4 edit :D

@Mars it's the same far-right Norwegian who nominated him for the Kim summit. Yet he says he's "not a big Trump supporter".
 
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Local TV have now mentioned diplomatic relations established between UAE and Israel as well as elimination of the Islamic Caliphate, actions against Iran, and the moving of the US embassy.

It's been a long time since a US president has failed to start a war.
 
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Local TV have now mentioned diplomatic relations established between UAE and Israel as well as elimination of the Islamic Caliphate, actions against Iran, and the moving of the US embassy.

It's been a long time since a US president has failed to start a war in the Middle East.
He still has between 5 months and 4 years and 5 months to accidentally start a war between Lebanon and Israel (although it's becoming more likely Lebanon will fall into Civil War).
 
It wasn't for lack of trying.
Maybe you can provide an example?

If Trump has been trying to start a new foreign war, it will come in vitiation of one of his main campaign pledges. If he has any hope of reelection (IMHO almost hopeless), keeping that promise will be a cornerstone, and pleasing to peaceniks, many Jews and our soldiery at a minimum.
 
Maybe you can provide an example?

If Trump has been trying to start a new foreign war, it will come in vitiation of one of his main campaign pledges. If he has any hope of reelection (IMHO almost hopeless), keeping that promise will be a cornerstone, and pleasing to peaceniks, many Jews and our soldiery at a minimum.

uh...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-un-north-korean-leader-suicide-mission-n802596
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ct-russia-threatens-retaliation-idUSKCN1MU0Z8
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/09/donald-trump-syria-attack-response/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ns-iran-again-if-attacks-u-s-iraq/5104981002/
https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...etaliates-following-death-of-iranian-general/
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-threatened-military-force-2018-12
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...cut-china-ties-after-us-official-ruled-it-out

here's an interesting angle:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/donald-trump-national-address-race/index.html

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I actually went to China during the Trump administration. I very much considered whether the US would go to war with China while I was there and I would end up being imprisoned during my trip. I'm not sure I seriously thought it was going to happen, but it was very much on my mind.

Actually I think the only two countries I actually thought the US had a really decent likelihood of going to war with during Trump's term were North Korea and Iran. There was a great deal of brinkmanship in both cases. We know too that Trump doesn't value the lives of the military, so you'd expect him to be as cavalier as he is with war.
 
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uh....nope.

None of that even remotely qualifies as starting a war, or attempting to.

We were very much on the verge of war with Iran at the start of the year, especially after they fired several rockets at one of our bases. I firmly believe someone talked some sense into Trump that day to not return fire, if he had, there would've been a very brief war until COVID took over.
 
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