America - The Official Thread

[FuriousDemon]

I’m shocked that someone who voted for Trump actually changed his mind. I still don’t believe in the fact that people are generally good, many things prove the opposite, but there is a tiny bit of hope out there that maybe a tiniest percent of people could change their mind when presented with facts. Although, this could just be an outlier. Still, this may be the best thing I’ve seen online in the last couple of days.

 

[Danoff]

I’m shocked that someone who voted for Trump actually changed his mind. I still don’t believe in the fact that people are generally good, many things prove the opposite, but there is a tiny bit of hope out there that maybe a tiniest percent of people could change their mind when presented with facts. Although, this could just be an outlier. Still, this may be the best thing I’ve seen online in the last couple of days.

I does't encourage me at all.

It tells me that misinformation is easily winning against information.

 

[TexRex]

I still don’t believe in the fact that people are generally good, many things prove the opposite, but there is a tiny bit of hope out there that maybe a tiniest percent of people could change their mind when presented with facts.

I'm a cynic and I still believe that people are generally good. That said...

I’m shocked that someone who voted for Trump actually changed his mind.

...I don't believe this is what happened. I'd wager it's more a case of "I don't like that people are critical of the things I said so I'm going to pretend I learned a lesson just to make it stop."

 

[FuriousDemon]

I does't encourage me at all.

It tells me that misinformation is easily winning against information.

Well, that we already do know. What I’m saying is that talking to misinformed people in my mind has been a solid no since about 2017. I’m just saying there is a small hope that I have now that I’ve completely lost for ages. Still, probably 99% of the time it’s going to be impossible to breach the wall of misinformation. Hopefully democrats will have some cult experts on their team who may have some ideas on how to break through to people and break the cycle, cause as we learned now policy is not the issue, it’s getting through to people and opening their eyes to reality.

 

[Nebuc72]

I'm a cynic and I still believe that people are generally good. That said...

...I don't believe this is what happened. I'd wager it's more a case of "I don't like that people are critical of the things I said so I'm going to pretend I learned a lesson just to make it stop."

I don't think so, in other cases definitely but not with Chris. I have known him for a while and talk to him a fair bit in various places. He has a lot going on in his life, and is pretty vocal in this forum about struggling with his autism.

I genuinely just think he doesn't know. I would bet someone in his family told him or someone on the news told him something was bad and Trump will fix it and he took it at face value and that's that. And I think there are a ton of people like him, that don't vote for these parties maliciously but don't understand or comprehend the scale and meaning of what they're doing or what the parties mean.

But for the most part you wouldn't know, as I don't think those types are often online, hence part of their ignorance.

 

[Blitz24]

The sad thing is that in an election for the country, my vote is meaningless and has never mattered. They say people should go out and vote but my vote was in a solid blue state and had no chance of effecting the general election. They might as well just hold elections for the next cycle in the swing states since a lot of voters are disillusioned.

 

[Barra333]

The sad thing is that in an election for the country, my vote is meaningless and has never mattered. They say people should go out and vote but my vote was in a solid blue state and had no chance of effecting the general election. They might as well just hold elections for the next cycle in the swing states since a lot of voters are disillusioned.

Be careful what you wish for. NJ may be a swing state at some point.

 

[FuriousDemon]

Aren’t you in NJ? The way the vote turned out this time it’s almost a swing state as well if it keeps shifting right.

 

[Blitz24]

Always possible, but I doubt it honestly.

 

[MatskiMonk]

The sad thing is that in an election for the country, my vote is meaningless and has never mattered. They say people should go out and vote but my vote was in a solid blue state and had no chance of effecting the general election. They might as well just hold elections for the next cycle in the swing states since a lot of voters are disillusioned.

This is not unique to the USA. Non-PR systems are the cornerstone of voters becoming disenfranchised with the democratic process.

 

[Famine]

This is not unique to the USA. Non-PR systems are the cornerstone of voters becoming disenfranchised with the democratic process.

On the bright side, the USA is about to get a major electoral reform.

 

[Barra333]

Then noone's vote will count!

 

[Tornado]

Also not for nothing but:

Trump could completely shut down the EPA on day one and the domestic auto manufacturers aren't going to change anything with regards to what they are already doing/developing now or even really be helped in any way. Ford and GM already basically ignore CAFE thanks to the changes Obama made to it, so that would really help foreign manufacturers more than them; and they still have to follow CARB.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Then noone's vote will count!

Voter parity! Finally!

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm glad Trump won, we wanted him too and we voted for him. He said he was gonna get some people to remove all fluoride from the public water supply. I hope he kept his word on what he was gonna do for us, (his goals).

Jesus H. tapdancing Christ.

How can people be this...simple-minded? Do you not realize how child-like this comes across as after reading it out loud?

EDIT: I see at least some sense came from all of this in the end, maybe? Next time don't choose a misogynistic, racist, felon for something that has next to no basis in reality.

 

[Chris30]

Voter parity! Finally!

I hope it does not come to that in the future, sigh. I'm worried about what's going to happen now, with Trump in charge.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Bloody hell you guys are really going after @Chris30 here. Get off his back because I know how stressful it is for someone on the autism spectrum to deal with this. How do I know? I've been around several of them who are particularly sensitive when it comes to any sort of verbal conflict. It can sometimes be too much for them to handle.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Bloody hell you guys are really going after @Chris30 here. Get off his back because I know how stressful it is for someone on the autism spectrum to deal with this. How do I know? I've been around several of them who are particularly sensitive when it comes to any sort of verbal conflict. It can sometimes be too much for them to handle.

In fairness, users may not know the history of member's conditions.

 

[TexRex]

going after

(responding to)

It can sometimes be too much for them to handle.

Disengaging is never not an option here.

 

[GBO Possum]

Ugh, well I guess next time I just won't choose him then.

Do you seriously not know that there won't be a "next time" for Trump?

"Next time" I suggest you get some basic civics knowledge into that head of yours.

To become a US citizen (and vote), I had to learn stuff that is clearly not taught in American schools. I wish birth citizens , in order to have the right to vote, had to pass the same tests that I did. We might have, you know, "informed voters".

Maybe this is why Trump hates us immigrants.

 

[Joey D]

Bloody hell you guys are really going after @Chris30 here. Get off his back because I know how stressful it is for someone on the autism spectrum to deal with this. How do I know? I've been around several of them who are particularly sensitive when it comes to any sort of verbal conflict. It can sometimes be too much for them to handle.

Just because someone is on the autism spectrum doesn't mean we should assume anything about them. There are plenty of people on the spectrum who are perfectly capable of having reasonable discussions and there are plenty of people who aren't on the spectrum who can't. We shouldn't assume someone is autistic, nor should we assume they need to be treated with kid gloves. Also, if the person wishes, they can explain that they have a difficult time with such things and give the reason why, then they can ask for help understanding. I'm willing to bet almost all of us here wouldn't have a problem breaking it down for someone who genuinely wants to learn and understand.

 

[Chris30]

Bloody hell you guys are really going after @Chris30 here. Get off his back because I know how stressful it is for someone on the autism spectrum to deal with this. How do I know? I've been around several of them who are particularly sensitive when it comes to any sort of verbal conflict. It can sometimes be too much for them to handle.

I totally agree with you here 100%. People don't understand what I have to go through daily. I have to make my own choices in life and from here on out, take more time to do research about the person before I vote for them. What's going on in America can be overwhelming, people don't know how to handle the truth. If there was no president, the world would be screwed and uncontrolled. Good luck with Trump y'all. We're stuck with him for 4 years unless there is an impeachment later on. But I don't think it will come to that. I honestly don't care what people think of me, I have my own opinions and expressions about this.