An Honest Opinion

[adrnv]

These are just opinions and are free to challenging opinions and disagreements.

Recently, I have drifted with players from different teams such as TXR, MLD, and Nemesis. I've also been poking around tryouts a few times to spectate and find myself mixed in all the fun.

During these sessions I feel like a lot of people tend to form drift teams over dissatisfaction from previous teams or simply to have a sense of belonging, forming to be associated with. I feel like these teams didn't make a clear message on their purpose of a team. At the same time, there are also varying levels of skill.

There are also individuals, those with and without a team, that have self-confidence. At the same time, I feel like these individuals...sorry to say...have too much. They have their sense of self-confidence due to the cars they use, mainly over-powered cars. I have followed many of them through tandem and I feel like they lack a bit of skill.

I've been reading many of GhostZ's posts and have felt myself agree to the things he or she has pointed out. One of Z's most agreeable points is the fact that drift teams lack a few points stated in his log. With these points, it's clear why teams like MLD and Nemesis sure has caught on and is a hot topic in the forums. Drifting with MLD_Push, he was initiating guidance and what not. One thing that stood out during that moment was his usage of his microphone. People, mainly kids, tend to abuse the mic and have to be muted out. Judging from his tone of voice and his authoritative points too his own members, it became clear.

Now, I see myself as a low-leveled racer in this game. I am open to opinions and challenging disagreements.

 

[Stavingo]

Eh I can mostly agree with that

During these sessions I feel like a lot of people tend to form drift teams over dissatisfaction from previous teams or simply to have a sense of belonging, forming to be associated with. I feel like these teams didn't make a clear message on their purpose of a team. At the same time, there are also varying levels of skill.

After having to study a whole year for english on the whole topic of 'belonging' it's sort of a hit and miss with the whole creation of a team, sorta easily reflected by the organisation into the OP of their team thread (at least that's how it's indicated to me)

 

[htsue]

Is the quote your referring to ghostz, this?

"Drifting teams are created to pool knowledge and resources. The idea is that an entire team, sharing opinions and practice time, can collectively improve their abilities. This is not the case with the GT5 community. Here, drifting teams act as a buffer between skill and criticism. They are drifting gangs, there to back each other up emotionally when a member's pride is on the line. They practice, yes, and they improve, but the goal has always been to defeat other teams in battles or success. "Tandem, Tandem, Tandem" is the goal, and any words against this is that, just words. In a long time of analyzing GT5's drifting scene since the beginning of the game (and even before in prologue) I've seen it evolve from drivers who want to push their skill to the limit, to drivers who want to wear drifting as a fashion statement."

I disagree, since his statement generalizes all teams which I find to be untrue. Granted, just by reading a select number of team member's posts you'll encounter their feeling that membership gives them the identity and that they ultimately use it to define them, and that it serves to create their ego in such a way that they hold themselves at the podium.

However, I feel he simplifies it by putting all of them into one basket and stating that their only purpose is to beat team. He even goes on to claim that these team's goals are success, but his definition of success may not be the team's definition of success (which, I think he needs to elaborate) or for that matter if there as a rigid structure for purpose that a team needs to have.

This goes to you, what kind of purpose do you think a team should have? The same explanation that Ghostz has with regarding to teams?

For him he want's the team's purpose to ultimately improve collectively, but he disregards the pursuit of tandem is something lesser of that (in terms of practising to improve ability). Why? Tandem requires ability, in the form of brakes, lines, throttle modulation, and timing. And it's a form of practising that would collectively improve the abilities of each members. I know there's more ways to practice, e.g. by yourself, but you know what? For me, I find tandeming fun, it's like everyone's making a drawing at a simultaneous coordinated rate. It's fun, and i feel its got nothing to do with the dick measuring contest Ghostz draws it out to be.

For his analysis, I feel he undermines the social relationship between team members by labelling it as "defence of pride between members", that it only exists for that and friendships are nothing more than ego defending mechanisms. Clans, teams, and groups exist not just to solely improve and get better at something, but to have the ability to socialize with others. Yes, yes sense of belonging are an after affect of that but, are you saying it's a poor thing to have? That somehow it paints them as insecure human beings? Sure, it might be the case that they have an ego due to their organization, but to only look it as black and white by stating that that is the only point to having a team is absurd.

What became clear after you talked to MLD_Push? What concept of that person did you see, because i'm confused about your statement.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Ghostz is correct about teams here being like a gang of bullies that drift is just a status thing.

 

[Bluntified]

There are also individuals, those with and without a team, that have self-confidence. At the same time, I feel like these individuals...sorry to say...have too much. They have their sense of self-confidence due to the cars they use, mainly over-powered cars. I have followed many of them through tandem and I feel like they lack a bit of skill.

This isn't true for GTP teams. There are a few "cocky" people here on GTP that are on teams, they don't lack in skill though! They mostly use heavy sedans or low power lightweights which requires a bit more skill than someone using a car that's maxed out with mods.

As for the rest of the "team" generalization, I don't find it to be entirely true. Sure, some new teams start off on the wrong foot by putting together a bunch of guys that don't know each other and hope to "mesh", or start a team to just "get a name out". There are many teams though, where members actually associate and socialize outside of GT5 or GTP, those are the teams that actually make it, they don't look for a sense of "belonging", they are about the comradery and friendship tossed in with a bit of learning.

Also, no offense, but I find what you are doing, stalking rooms, a little creepy. Unless you're a scout or team leader, that doesn't look good. You are also forgetting one high point, you're stalking public rooms! You wanna find where the action is, you need to find a way into private lounges, that's where the real fun is! (unless it's NightSlide or Evergreen Stream good times!).

Ghostz is correct about teams here being like a gang of bullies that drift is just a status thing.

A few, not all, it's not fair to generalize.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Those few get covert by the many stupid ones. Sorry.

 

[CJDA9]

These are just opinions and are free to challenging opinions and disagreements.

Recently, I have drifted with players from different teams such as TXR, MLD, and Nemesis. I've also been poking around tryouts a few times to spectate and find myself mixed in all the fun.

During these sessions I feel like a lot of people tend to form drift teams over dissatisfaction from previous teams or simply to have a sense of belonging, forming to be associated with. I feel like these teams didn't make a clear message on their purpose of a team. At the same time, there are also varying levels of skill.

Well as far as I know everyone on Team NEMESIS has only been on one team and that's NEMESIS. Although you are somewhat right about the sense of belonging, We at NEMESIS are not just a team but a family and good friends. We get together to have fun, tandem, and also learn from each other. Also if you are not clear on our goals and or purpose you can read our first post in our team thread it pretty much sums up what we are about. There is a lot of varying levels of skill for sure on our team. Me myself I have only been drifting for just under a year on the wheel so I have a long way to go. 👍

There are also individuals, those with and without a team, that have self-confidence. At the same time, I feel like these individuals...sorry to say...have too much. They have their sense of self-confidence due to the cars they use, mainly over-powered cars. I have followed many of them through tandem and I feel like they lack a bit of skill.

There are no egos on team NEMESIS we drift with with open arms and are here to help anyone that asks. Also I guess you haven't had the opportunity to drift with us at our missile themed night slide, we only use grassroots cars at those meets. My point being we don't just use over powered cars as you say. I cant speak for myself about skill seeing i have only been drifting just under a year, although we do have some very experienced drifters on the team. I feel like you are jumping to conclusions, you should try to drift with us more often and really get to know us. 👍

I've been reading many of GhostZ's posts and have felt myself agree to the things he or she has pointed out. One of Z's most agreeable points is the fact that drift teams lack a few points stated in his log. With these points, it's clear why teams like MLD and Nemesis sure has caught on and is a hot topic in the forums. Drifting with MLD_Push, he was initiating guidance and what not. One thing that stood out during that moment was his usage of his microphone. People, mainly kids, tend to abuse the mic and have to be muted out. Judging from his tone of voice and his authoritative points too his own members, it became clear.

Now, I see myself as a low-leveled racer in this game. I am open to opinions and challenging disagreements.

As for this I haven't really read his or her log so I cant comment. I must say I don't remember drifting with you unfortunately, or I may not have at all. But I would like that to change if you want to add me on psn go ahead, my tag is under my name on here. 👍

Ghostz is correct about teams here being like a gang of bullies that drift is just a status thing.

Since when was NEMESIS or any other group a gang of bullies??? As far as I know we are very kindhearted people.

 

[alpacaflip]

Now I don't really like replying to threads like this, but this annoys me a lot.

There are also individuals, those with and without a team, that have self-confidence. At the same time, I feel like these individuals...sorry to say...have too much. They have their sense of self-confidence due to the cars they use, mainly over-powered cars. I have followed many of them through tandem and I feel like they lack a bit of skill.

What you are doing right here is assuming. Just because someone is using a certain car does not mean it is over powered. Some of us if the horse power stock is kind of high, barely add power if any at all, and not to mention run the cars a bit heavy.

I personally have spent months fine tuning certain cars to do what they do. I just get really offended when people assume you have 1000hp in a 500lbs car, because they can't keep up but I can tandem them. Some of us actually know how to tune..

 

[Duman079]

Everyone in any team on GTP has a great personality, some of them have an attitude towards others that might not be good or could be misunderstood, but their personality is who they are and their attitude depends on who you are. Unfortunately that is not good in most cases, but if you'd know everyone personally, you'd notice that everyone here is great.

It is like when you walk down the street, no one is the same, in the end we are all human beings with different looks and characterism.

However I really hope drifters who are not in a team woud enjoy drifting just like us, the main goal of most team members is to drift with everyone. A lot of teams host amazing open lobbies like Sunday Night Blackout and the NEMESIS Night Slides. They give a chance to people who are not in a team and maybe not on GTP, to have fun together.

There is no ''whole team'' that could be a bully, it is always one who is different that might not know his or her attitude might have a bad impact on the team that person is in.

In the end I think it is true that most teams are not open for new members, but that is because most teams already have a lot members, you can't take all good drifters in your team. GT5 wouldn't be fun then. All teams also do have have less good drifters, but especially those keep teams together, because they are most loyal in most cases.
And of course a lot of teams are scared to loose the balance in their team with adding new people. Most teams are so close, that they are really like family, and like irl you cant just jump in one and be a member. It takes time and you need a lot patience.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Since when was NEMESIS or any other group a gang of bullies??? As far as I know we are very kindhearted people.

Well, sorry, but this is not what i feel when i make a post in any team thread. Ok, maybe not the whole team is, but even Nemesis has some idiot members. Not you, but it does, sorry.

 

[Duman079]

Well, sorry, but this is not what i feel when i make a post in any team thread. Ok, maybe not the whole team is, but even Nemesis has some idiot members. Not you, but it does, sorry.

Seriously this make no sence. That's really mean. Me as a GTP member will always fight for justice and will comment when things are said incorrect or insult a whole group.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Seriously this make no sence. That's really mean. Me as a GTP member will always fight for justice and will comment when things are said incorrect or insult a whole group.

Ok, not the whole team. But the team image many times get spoiled by a few bad members.

Edit: I will be honest here, let's suppose, if i ever, for any reason, get an invite to join NEMESIS, i would refuse. Why? Because of what happened today, which is pointless talk about it in this thread. But i seriously do not want to be part of the same team as that person.

Or maybe i would, just to provoke that person... which would be hilarious, actually. Low move, but hilarious. lol

 

[Duman079]

Ok, not the whole team. But the team image many times get spoiled by a few bad members.

There are no bad members, in some cases someone might have an opinion or say something that does not match their teams ideals, but that gives no right to call them idiots. In 99% of the cases, if the leader hears something that can not be accepted, the member will be warned on his beheaviour. A lot of things happen behind scenes and are done within the teams their inner circle. Most of the teams and especially NEMESIS do not ever argue or discss much on GTP. In the past my team had some problems as well, all teams had problems, but they always can be solved.

 

[funkthehype]

Well, sorry, but this is not what i feel when i make a post in any team thread. Ok, maybe not the whole team is, but even Nemesis has some idiot members. Not you, but it does, sorry.

And then you told us that you don't know why we are rude with you !

Don't forget that this part of GTP is about GT5/Drift and i never see a single post about this... You don't even play the gt5 .

Some times you could really be a annoying. all you do is troll all threads, offend teams,etc etc.

Some time i prefer that 11 years old kid that you troll in other thread than your complains...

We don't care about what you think. just keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything to say related to the topic...

jesus christ !!!!!

 

[Eric1512]

OK, I wasn't going to add on but here is my view. People see these "Teams" and suppose we battle each other. NO, that is all wrong. We are families and our families make up the drifting community. All of these little wars is when someone tries to be better then the other. That is not what drifting is meant to be. OK sure maybe in friendly competitions we may try to be the best, but outside that we are just a big group of friends. I have friends from almost every team here on GTP and we get along fine. If you have never been on a team you should really have no say in it. And by a team I mean a family who does not focus on skill, but having fun. There are teams that try to become the best, so it is best to stay away from them. Now I know you said something about Nemesis and MLD, but I highly disagree with that. Just because someone is using a fast car doesn't mean they are over confident. You truly should be confident, do you think many of the greats in many sports are not confident? Everyone has there bad days, give them a break and move on. If you do not like a certain team, do not join there rooms, it is an easy task. Now can everyone please stop fighting and KDF!

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

I think this thread should be closed...

 

[funkthehype]

Sorry Eric, i couldn't help... just tired o this you know.

Now i will throw some missiles on the walls to chill

ps: sorry for being off topic

 

[Terronium-12]

I think this thread should be closed...

No. What needs to happen is this:

If you have nothing constructive to say in these threads, and judging by the amount of times you've been reported for this ridiculousness - you don't, stay out of these threads. It's not a debate, it's not up for appeal. Just stay out and post elsewhere.

I've told you once before to knock it off, yet here you are once again. Just because you have an opinion doesn't entitle you to begin some type of mindless argument.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Ok. Understood.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I totally disagree with this OP as saying "ALL TEAMS" in general. That is wrong. A lot of us don't give a crap about betting another team or showing off. For example I join a team that I like for the people in it. Friends/homies/family that is why. Not every team is egotistical. I don't care about comps and i don't care about battles.

I find it funny who count the battles and comps they win. I don't care about all of that. I care about the art of drifting. I like entering battles and comps but i do it for fun.

Some people you find on here get a bad reputation just for the way they word things. I see it all the time. If anyone judges a team on the basis of GTP honestly there's more to that. The problem I see day to day on here is people get the wrong impression on people. Either they word something and the other person takes it as he or she was being rude when he or she wasn't. So quick to make a assumption instead of asking "what do you mean by that? " or "were you trying to be rude or not it looks that way?". No one takes the time to ask a question anymore. And if they get mad before they know what someone meant that is their fault no one else's. If you can't take time to ask a question. Just wording.

Like DarkAvengerZR1 has a hard time with a lot of people. But even you can't judge a team by some stupid thread. Words get mixed up and situations get blown out of proportion. Like right now I bet you guys think i mad right now. Nope just trying to explain. But i understand that from the looks of the writing the tone might look like I am.

People get the wrong impression on people from here then actually meet someone that they think is a jerk on here. Then they are like wow he or she is a cool person. Great example is me and my homie Spank. It is just wording that made him look like that.

But yeah i totally disagree with that as a "EVERY TEAM ON GT5" no just no

 

[k0di]

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[Lock2Lock]

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What? Haha

 

[twitcher]

What? Haha

It's ok, K0di is one of the many "idiots" on NEMESIS...don't mind him

 

[Eric1512]

It's ok, K0di is one of the many "idiots" on NEMESIS...don't mind him

Lol. You all are a bunch of idiots. You guys are one of the greatest on GT5, I do not know what the OP has on you guys. Fun drifting last night, hope to make Night Slide some other time.

 

[Lock2Lock]

It's ok, K0di is one of the many "idiots" on NEMESIS...don't mind him

Hahahaha no he's cool

Lol. You all are a bunch of idiots. You guys are one of the greatest on GT5, I do not know what the OP has on you guys. Fun drifting last night, hope to make Night Slide some other time.

Yes I second that Eric. Seems aparent that people are so quick to judge people. Instead of getting to know the people

 

[DriftEmotion FC]

What im thinking is yes there are a few that could change their attitude in the community, but for the most part im feeling as is the drift community is starting to come back very slowly but it is, now what you wrote was kinda out of ignorance and i feel you should come drift with us more MLD, NEMESIS, RedSuns, all of of get to know us more than one mere time and i think you'll come around to seeing its like one big family no disrespect btw i just felt this was a great explanation

 

[adrnv]

I have read all of your points, opinions, or definitions (all are not arguments) to me, and find them agreeable.

OK, I wasn't going to add on but here is my view. People see these "Teams" and suppose we battle each other. NO, that is all wrong. We are families and our families make up the drifting community. All of these little wars is when someone tries to be better then the other. That is not what drifting is meant to be. OK sure maybe in friendly competitions we may try to be the best, but outside that we are just a big group of friends. I have friends from almost every team here on GTP and we get along fine. If you have never been on a team you should really have no say in it. And by a team I mean a family who does not focus on skill, but having fun. There are teams that try to become the best, so it is best to stay away from them. Now I know you said something about Nemesis and MLD, but I highly disagree with that. Just because someone is using a fast car doesn't mean they are over confident. You truly should be confident, do you think many of the greats in many sports are not confident? Everyone has there bad days, give them a break and move on. If you do not like a certain team, do not join there rooms, it is an easy task. Now can everyone please stop fighting and KDF!

I agree with this as well... When I wrote the original post, I thought about it to find the right word to help me build opinions. I believe opinions are flexible and adaptable which is why I am open to disagreements. I did not intend on starting an argument.

The word I found after the original post is consideration. It is true that I may have seem to be generalizing, that was not my intention. I did mention about fast cars, but associated with individuals rather than teams. My main problem with these dog-eat-dog independent teams, subgroups of teams, or non-team groups is that they seem to test reaction times of other players by ramming them or brake checking and blocking the whole turn while 6 or so other players are right on each other's tail.

The definition of team is what I intend on formulating with this thread. I agree that they should be similar to families and group of friends rather than some of the dog-eat-dog attitude that I've seen. The concept of team I saw from MLD_Push is the concept of fun, which is true with a lot of teams, and the concept of self-control (overconfidence, avoiding trouble with random people). The last time I was with team Nemesis was last week, and it was a blast. I gotta say, if I had more time, I'd show up more often to their Thursday night sessions. MLD, when I find another room of yours that I can connect to, I'll be there.

Like DarkAvengerZR1 has a hard time with a lot of people. But even you can't judge a team by some stupid thread. Words get mixed up and situations get blown out of proportion. Like right now I bet you guys think i mad right now. Nope just trying to explain. But i understand that from the looks of the writing the tone might look like I am.

People get the wrong impression on people from here then actually meet someone that they think is a jerk on here. Then they are like wow he or she is a cool person. Great example is me and my homie Spank. It is just wording that made him look like that.

I like this attitude, I gotta be honest. I avoid being stubborn and what not and just want a decent conversation with players. I've probably mentioned this, but all your explanations do help me in one way or the other.

If you know me in person, which I doubt anyone here does... (My friends don't play this game like you guys) Anywho, I respect each person. I don't mean any harm to anyone. I believe being open is a great way to learn about different things and pretty much define things. So please, I didn't mean to offend anyone, and if I did, I am sorry.

 

[adrnv]

What im thinking is yes there are a few that could change their attitude in the community, but for the most part im feeling as is the drift community is starting to come back very slowly but it is, now what you wrote was kinda out of ignorance and i feel you should come drift with us more MLD, NEMESIS, RedSuns, all of of get to know us more than one mere time and i think you'll come around to seeing its like one big family no disrespect btw i just felt this was a great explanation

I'm going to be totally honest, this isn't about being ignorant. I do agree that I should come drift with your teams when I get a chance to. Sometimes I wish I can see some interesting teams that I can connect to. Nemesis and MLD are on my list of respected teams compared to many others. I still haven't seen much RedSuns around.

I'm quite hesitant with the Friend Requests and everyone's input has made me want to finally reply to all of those Requests. I feel like there is still much to learn for me. A start of learning seems to always be defining things with others.

 

[Eric1512]

We will have to slide sometime. We usually hide in my lounge, but go online once in awhile. We average 7 on a night, so we are there just hiding.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I like this attitude, I gotta be honest. I avoid being stubborn and what not and just want a decent conversation with players. I've probably mentioned this, but all your explanations do help me in one way or the other.

If you know me in person, which I doubt anyone here does... (My friends don't play this game like you guys) Anywho, I respect each person. I don't mean any harm to anyone. I believe being open is a great way to learn about different things and pretty much define things. So please, I didn't mean to offend anyone, and if I did, I am sorry.

I agree with you. I appreciate it. You didn't offend me like I said wording is the main problem in the community. I understand as well as others too I can see that you didn't mean to start a argument. The way I see this is sort of like a sit down if you will. Discussing things in a calm way to clear stuff up.

I do understand what you mean about over powered cars which me i don't drift anything over 500hp. But like i said before it is all about style because everyone's is different just like art. So i respect it.

And all I do is try to be what is the word informative i guess on here. Sometimes people think I am being rude but when in fact I am not. Which I do try to re-word which pretty much it is simply wording.


Anyway i also just don't want you or anyone for that matter getting a wrong impression about the drifting community as a whole when it is just a few people. It is like getting accused of something you didn't do you know.

But i hope you come and chill with some of us join anytime and i am sure your opinion will change.

Add me if you want RSM-Lock2Lock

We will have to slide sometime. We usually hide in my lounge, but go online once in awhile. We average 7 on a night, so we are there just hiding.

Hahahaha very true. We are usually hiding in your lounge even when you are not online hahaha