Matt atkins
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When is the next update for new cars and new tracks
An open letter to Kaz and Polyphony
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June 18th
Nobody here knows. When we do, there will be a news article so keep an eye on the home page.
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Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst were supposed to open a PD subsidiary studio in Europe. If there are skilled and experienced professionals for racing games, England and Italy are where they are. In fact, logistically, it would be more suitable, as the studio would be close to the main automakers and world circuits, which would facilitate contractual business. And obviously recruiting more specialized professionals would be much easier, as it is in Europe where Kunos, Slightly Mad, Codemasters, Milestone, Sector 3 etc are located.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
The only thing Kireth is good at, is paying attention to what people on the forums are doing as far as hacks, setups, ect….. then making a very well edited video about it; all the while presenting said topic as if it was his, or his Sim racing community’s idea. Then he goes onto tell everyone how he is “utterly convinced and knows for a fact that PD is watching his channel and listening”.
He’s also good at taking the temperature of a room, and then having an almost opposite opinion to foster views. And he’s good at reading update notes and making up assumptions for what they’re doing.
As much of a fraud as I think he is, I do admire his talent for creating something out of nothing 🤷🏼♂️
Tidgney is my favorite streamer because I feel like he has the most substance for obvious reasons.
As much as I think Rory is probably a genuinely nice guy, I find his stream absolutely nauseating to watch sometimes. Especially during his morning debriefs when he repeats EVERYTHING 2-3 times. I get you need to fill up air time, but Geezo.
The streamer I most admire however, is Kie. He doesn’t hold back on anything. Nor does he beat around the bush with YouTube being his living. Plus, he shares a lot with the community as far as track guides and tips for everything including FIA. To me, he’s the most genuine. And to some… probably the most unlike-able 😂
Matt atkins
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I felt the same way. Pretty arrogant if I'm being honest. Sony and PD are a huge machine and they have followed their business plan and they are moving through the next steps of it, whatever they are. There has been plenty of blowback in this and other forums and if that hasn't moved the needle, it only strengthens my opinion that the game is what it is, and it will not be hugely improved upon.
Getting back to Rory, what a ****. To think a YouTube streamer could arrange a summit in Tokyo to bridge the gap between PD and the community is laughable, seriously. I guess he thinks he's pretty special.
I have seen other developers build relationships with streamers and leverage those to help build the franchise and deliver what the community wants. This here though, is not one of those situations. Kaz and PD seem entirely tone deaf to the community and that will not change overnight.
I apologize if I seem overly negative but this entire thread and the video is honestly a complete waste of effort. We all have better things to focus on IMO.
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Ha ha, I totally agree. In the past it's been hard for me to watch him because he can complain too much, and whine about what are ultimately pretty normal online racing problems. But he is also most like what I would be... and I don't think I would watch me either! Ha ha. I've thought about making a channel, but then think again when I go on tirades about a stupid game, cuss a bunch, and I know I probably wouldn't be monetizable because kids couldn't watch me, lol.
I like Rory a lot, but I do agree with what some other's here have said about him talking so much, repeating things over, taking a long time to get to points, and being so overly saccharine with his thanks. It does come off as desperate a lot of the time, and I wish he would just settle into what he's doing and act like he's been there, instead of pulling a Taylor Swift and being amazed by everything all the time.
Tidge and SuperGT are by far my favs when it comes to GT related content, but unfortunately there is less and less as GT continues to founder. It's a shame because for a game this new there could be an explosive amount of content around it, but PD seem content to let it be old news this soon after release.
I still love the damn game, but I'm also not ignorant of the multitude of things going wrong, and I'm glad Rory is at least taking this shot in the dark.
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PS4 players, you can check in the trophy section on the console which % of players have gotten a specific trophy. I can't check PS5 since I don't own one, so numbers could be different there.
I'll also add that a 28% completion rate for finishing the game is quite normal, most games end up in the 25-35% range (only exception I can think of is TLOU2 with an absurd 57% completion rate).
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Having not yet acquired a PS5 and not owning a PS4 I've watched the streamers every night instead of TV since the game dropped.
I Watch
Kieran Blacklock
Steve Alvarez Brown
Martin Grady
Rory Alexander
Andrew Racing
Alex Buller
Luka Zavisic
Terence Lallave
Z28
My Opinions
Smoothest Drivers
Alex Buller
Luka Zavisic
Z28
Most-informative
Kieran Blacklock. I like that he talks a lot (and straight) whilst driving.
Most-entermataining
Terence Lallave! (Ooh yeeah!)
I Watch
Kieran Blacklock
Steve Alvarez Brown
Martin Grady
Rory Alexander
Andrew Racing
Alex Buller
Luka Zavisic
Terence Lallave
Z28
My Opinions
Smoothest Drivers
Alex Buller
Luka Zavisic
Z28
Most-informative
Kieran Blacklock. I like that he talks a lot (and straight) whilst driving.
Most-entermataining
Terence Lallave! (Ooh yeeah!)
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Realistically the best way to pass on ideas may be to actually just see them in person at their office. There may be someone from Tokyo who is on these forums willing to do this. I think however there are many more problems/issues than those mentioned in the video, especially regarding single player offline gameplay or lack of + cars/tracks etc.
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A debate on scapes is missing the point, but the scapes are not 3D renders. They have 3D elements, but they are not 3D renders. That's why the camera is fixed. If the scapes were truly 3D, the camera would be far more adjustable. Even compare with the FOV setting and how it affects a race photo versus a scapes photo. It's also why there is a limited amount of "foreground" elements that the car can actually get behind. They are photos mapped to a few planes with the 3D camera located in the same location as the camera man.
Lastly, feasibility. I've linked Nvidia's ray tracing demo video. The PS4 can't do this. The PS3 DEFINITELY could not do this, yet the scapes are the same level of detail in PS3, PS4, and PS5.
Yes, it's hyperbole to say it's "just a photo" because there is a need for a lot of lighting set up to make the lighting on the car match the lighting of the scene. Yes, fine, the mapping of it and lighting is more involved than just a photo, but my point comes from the frustration that scapes get a lot of love from PD, while the gameplay suffers. Of all the places to make cuts in the game, why not make cuts to scapes rather than gameplay? If there were no scapes added to an update, would anyone miss it?
If they cut 10 people from the scapes team, and added 10 people to a gameplay and event design team, how good would the game be? I argue it would be FAR better.
The "best way" to pass along ideas is this forum. It is read by people at Sony. Whether action is taken or not is a different thing. Some ideas are not actionable. Some are out of line with the core focus, and some are just not going to happen now (for whatever reason). That said, some are actionable, in line, and achievable now, and they happen.
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exactly right. the updates that came after the outcry effectively eliminated the need for anyone to do microtransactions… but they built a game that was intended to receive in-game revenue. I suspect they would’ve been content having those 800pp World Series be the highest paid races, and to have left Race A as an open tune thing (passive pay to play). It feels like they had to choose between losing future sales due to this requirement, or giving up on that assumed income stream.
reading the “June update” thread makes me a bit sad- whatever else we get from GT7 was probably already finished before release. believe they will spend more energy shutting down AFK methods than they will on fine-tuning things like BOP or “allowing brake balance in sport mode”.
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It's unfortunate that Gran Turismo 7 is currently in the dark age, I hope the developer will accept Rory Alexander's letter and then get it fixed several months or a year later.
I'm guessing that Jim Ryan is responsible for manipulating Polyphony Digital to add overpriced MTX and online DRM which ruins the game.
I guess it will come by late June 2022.
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Silver Arrows
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...completely forgetting that GT Sport also had always online DRM and Polyphony actively lied about not putting in microtransactions before putting them in when the fan base was essentially just the hardcore that remained. Forgetting that GT Sport and GT6 also had microtransactions, and most every other Sony game as online as GT7 is has nowhere near the level of DRM and microtransactions that is present with GT7.
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Oh my bad, to me having online DRM since GT Sport is also a very bad move.
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great video but unfortunately not a single line about the wreckfest side of online things,meaning the awful state of the penalty system.My biggest gripe currently.I played like 250+ daily races (mostly C) but stopped playing entirely 2 weeks ago because of this..And lost interest in SP as well.so i‚m not playing at all in the moment. 
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My educated guess….
PD announces end of cross play in FIA within 3 months. They announce end of ongoing PS4 sport mode play by end of the year.
Stamp it.
The issue with online play IS crossplay. It was possible with GTS, but it’s not possible with GT7 because there’s so much more going on under the hood of the game, and the PS4 can’t keep up. Guaranteed they’ve had a team of people working on this since launch. Probably before. If there was a plausible solution to this, they would have already found and implemented it by now. My guess is SONY/PD is biding their time till the PS5 supply catches up to the demand
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Allow your critical thinking skills to infiltrate your mind for a moment, and the truth shall set you free 👍🏼
There either is:
A.) no plausible solution to get online play better under the current format.
B.) or there is, and they don’t want to implement it because they’re plan is to nix PS4 support anyways.
If you have a better explanation, I’ll gladly hear it. Daily races are not a problem because they have separated the player base. FIA is a chit show because crossplay is enabled. Private lobbies are a chit show because crossplay is enabled.
The hold back of single player content is another topic entirely.
For the record, I hope I’m wrong
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You're omitting the insanely big factor of us only receiving major updates once per month.
We literally cannot say what is or isn't impossible for them to pull off due to platform constraints when we've had what, three actual updates since launch that weren't emergency hotfixes?
For all we know next update will address lobby issues. We don't know. They don't communicate. But considering the snails pace of updates, its too soon to say they're omitting things due to constraints.
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Silver Arrows
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Also, trying to place the blame on those damn PS4 players as the issue with crossplay when the game was more or less always designed to be crossgen (to the point they only mentioned it what, five months out from release?) while also trying to predict that updates might stop a year from now on PS4 is truly funny. And also a real good way to piss off the PS4 fanbase, sizable enough for PD to make the game crossgen to begin with instead of a wholly next gen experience.
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I do not approve of this take. Just because a game isn’t completely broken, it doesn’t mean players cannot complain about all the unfulfilled potential it has, which PD could easily overcome if they were bothered to do something about it. I’d guess that 95% of the players perfectly happy with GT7 have not played it enough to realize this. I know a few personally, and in their company I keep my gripes to myself. Different story on here though.
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Hosted servers are an answer, but hosted servers cost money. Also, hosted servers really require an event set up, which IMHO would be welcome. Hosted pp level races cycling through the tracks.
It wouldn't help private lobbies because they are peer to peer.
IMHO, it's money. The solution costs money.
...and they are hosted servers
Cross play should not be a problem. For decades, PC online play has had to deal with a variety of hardware connecting to servers and P2P. The tech gap between PS5 and PS4 can be an issue with P2P, but should not be an issue with hosted servers.
