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An open letter to Kaz and Polyphony
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Wrong again.
The game was advertised as a PS5 exclusive. It got changed 5 months out, presumably because of the PS5 manufacturing issues, and the corresponding shortage.
Not blaming PS4 players at all. But facts are facts. Sony doesn’t want to carry PS4 owners any longer than they have to. They want you to buy a new console. Sorry if my opinions trigger you.
And once again, if anyone else has a good estimation on why lobbies and crossplay are such a crap-show STILL, we’re all ears
Good post. This is a reasonable explanation on why they don’t fix it, but how they could 👍🏼
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Who knows, maybe he values his own mental health more than some of the others do theirs. I've had to cut off things and people I felt were important to me for my own sake. But anyway, he did say it's a break.
And, yes, @Yard_Sale has it right. The screen was black and at the top, it said "PS5 exclusive". Then the cinematics started. The first thing we ever learned about this game was wrong at best, and at worst, an outright lie to sell console pre-orders.
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I don't have an explanation because PD have given us absolutely zero indication what the problem is. You've been saying they're going to cut PS4 support since before the game even released, with no evidence, but clearly part of your own personal bias.
The product Gran Turismo 7 launched on PS4 in March 2022. To cut support for that game after a few months and focus only on PS5 would be incredibly foolish, irrespective of when the hardware released. They made that choice, they've got to live with it.
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Matt atkins
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
You’re right, I have no evidence. What I do have is a pretty business-savy mind. So it’s not hard to make guesses based on what I would do if I was in their position. Almost every decision any company makes is almost entirely based on profit margins. Near-term and prospective. Going cross platform last minute was clearly to salvage short term profit margins. Long term… we’ll know their plan in a few months. Like you correctly said, my estimations are just that… estimations.
And Sony said they would launch GT7 as cross platform. That doesn’t necessarily mean it will end cross platform (for sport mode at least). “Technically”, Sony has already achieved what they said they would… with the title being cross platform ATM…. although crappy
To my knowledge, they never clearly defined the parameters of what “cross platform” is.
Sony will in fact ‘live with this choice’ as long as it makes financial sense to do so. As soon as the metrics suggest otherwise, they’ll change their model. When or if that ever happens, is anyone’s guess.
And my bias’s have nothing to do with it. In fact, the more players… the better! Just like investing, I deal in facts, or make educated guesses. Only idiots let their own bias’s get in the way.
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It is, but you also have to make sure not to annoy a huge chunk of your customer base, or you're not going to have one left eventually if you annoy them enough.
They promoted and sold the game on both consoles. They made zero comments about potentially supporting the PS4 version any less than the PS5 version.
If they stop supporting the PS4 version long before they stop supporting the PS5 version what do you think that is going to do? Annoy a whole lot of people, that's what. It's not going to be met with a chorus of "Wow, that is a great move Sony. I will now immediately go out and buy a PS5 now, and another copy of the game, to continue playing with the latest updates".
Besides, how do you even know doing that would increase profit margins? Is the cost of producing two slightly different versions of each patch going to be more than the money you'd make from all the PS4 players buying MTs if you keep doing it?
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I could see no problem with them eliminating all cross play relatively soon and stop supporting the online side (not necessarily lobbies) of PS4 some day when there are enough PS5 in the wild. That is, if it is indeed an issue of the PS4 affecting the quality of the PS5 version.
I don't see why they would ever stop updating new cars and tracks onto the PS4 version, though.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
☝️This is the definition of Hyperbole.
Fact. At least half of the GT7 player base already has PS5’s.
Fact. Nixing PS4 WOULD aggravate a sizeable potion if their player base
Estimation: Most would grumble for a bit, then slowly move over to PS5
Another estimation: Sony might be willing to let GT7 sit relatively as is. Gran Turismo is but just a part of Sony’s franchises and revenue stream. The juice might not be worth the squeeze with this one.
They wouldn’t have to create 2 slightly different updates. Not if they plan on nixing PS4 support in sport mode. They could just “unlock” what preprogrammed events and tracks they have sitting in the queue, then THAT would essentially be Gran Turismo 7 - PS4. The rest of the updates would be PS5 only.
If they’re able to fix crossplay at all, we’ll know in 3 months TOPS. I hope they fix it
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I neither force or persuade anybody to have the same opinion as I do.
But its bloody clear and obvious that this game is heading into a direction that none of us desires.
It's bloody clear that PD lacks communication and are not rectifying these problems.
Even if they have a dedicated english spoken team that receives dozen of feedback and it "takes time" to work on said feedbacks, why is it so hard for said team to let us know what they are doing?
It only takes less than 5-10 minutes to create a twitter/facebook account and make a post to reassure the community that they are listening and let know what they are working on or improving.
Instead we got an Esports Player telling us that a team of english spoken people are hearing the community and listening to player feedback. This secretive way of doing things is what frustrates the GREAT majority of people and hurting this franchise from every corner.
I myself only play to complete my daylies or mess around with the weather and time of day and its fun for just a few minutes, after that I switch off the PS5 or go play another game.
Because the single player content is so boring that I dont even bother playing it.
Circuit experience is another thing I am staying away from for my own sanity because it can be bloody hard at times.
Dont let me even get started on Multiplayer or Sport mode.
The fact of the matter is PD/Kaz are not taking the criticism of the game seriously and its quite evident in their updates and lack of communication, and even if it do eventually gets "fixed" it already pissed most of the playerbase already including myself.
If they had a dedicated staff that regularly communicates with the playerbase base on criticism and or feeback they would have less 💩 thrown on them.
But its bloody clear and obvious that this game is heading into a direction that none of us desires.
It's bloody clear that PD lacks communication and are not rectifying these problems.
Even if they have a dedicated english spoken team that receives dozen of feedback and it "takes time" to work on said feedbacks, why is it so hard for said team to let us know what they are doing?
It only takes less than 5-10 minutes to create a twitter/facebook account and make a post to reassure the community that they are listening and let know what they are working on or improving.
Instead we got an Esports Player telling us that a team of english spoken people are hearing the community and listening to player feedback. This secretive way of doing things is what frustrates the GREAT majority of people and hurting this franchise from every corner.
I myself only play to complete my daylies or mess around with the weather and time of day and its fun for just a few minutes, after that I switch off the PS5 or go play another game.
Because the single player content is so boring that I dont even bother playing it.
Circuit experience is another thing I am staying away from for my own sanity because it can be bloody hard at times.
Dont let me even get started on Multiplayer or Sport mode.
The fact of the matter is PD/Kaz are not taking the criticism of the game seriously and its quite evident in their updates and lack of communication, and even if it do eventually gets "fixed" it already pissed most of the playerbase already including myself.
If they had a dedicated staff that regularly communicates with the playerbase base on criticism and or feeback they would have less 💩 thrown on them.
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GT7 definitely needs to improve but I’m not sure a letter like this is going to accomplish anything. It’s somewhat confrontational by Japanese standards, and no offense to Rory, but I doubt Kaz knows who he is. Only people who can get through to Kaz and PD are guys like Fraga and Hizal.
Aside from that, if more of the top guys actually stop playing (like Valerio and SuperGT) for an extended period, I’m sure Kaz will notice.
Aside from that, if more of the top guys actually stop playing (like Valerio and SuperGT) for an extended period, I’m sure Kaz will notice.
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I agree with you it is going in the wrong direction with the game PD please listen to your fan base and sort it out asap
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Steve only took a break because he was injured in a kart tace.
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You mean Steve?
That only inconvenienced him for a week or so. He's got other things on-the-boil this year and is being somewhat secretive about it at this point.
He's still putting out the odd video just to keep the channel "alive" I guess, but whether he's super-busy later in the year or not, he'll definitely crank the GT7 stuff up if / when Polyphony updates and fixes the issues that affect streamers.
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Yeah, no idea what my phone decided to replace it with
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Yeah, autocorrection is an alien language.
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Hi guys, I have just read through the whole stream, yes I need to get a life, & would go back to the Sales Mantra, COMMUNICATION IS KING.
It seems to me that Yard Sale, Silver Fox & SDSPOWER have hit the many problems on the head. When the game was launched, we were in the middle of COVID & the chip situation probably created the need for PD to make the game suitable for both PS4 & 5 To make it commercially viable. That must have created much work on their behalf. However we were all told that that this was the complete answer to racing games & I must say they have made generally a great game.
However they failed with regard to the lobbies (although I haven’t used them, old fart you know) & where are the up to date cars, not much is new!
I only got into online events in the last few months, but now wonder why I didn’t try them before, they are brilliant.
However, PD will lose customers if they don’t stop making stupid errors. I am lucky enough to have a PS5 & Fanatec Podium system, but although Fanatec are a supposed partner, they have been let down totally by the lack of capability to make use of the features of the Podium steering wheels & as for the ongoing farce regarding force feedback?
Update 1.15 was in many ways an improvement if there was really a problem with potential injury before, but to then replace that with 1.16 should have never been implemented. In any business, if you make a cock-up, it is great if you fix it quickly, but you must NEVER replace it with an untested, half complete repaif (lack of any high speed feedback).
To get back to the title of this stream, I fully support Rory’s video & letter. He might not be the best guy for the job, I don’t know, but at least he is trying to get some communication going. Gran Turismo cannot be allowed to fade away, come on PD, let your community have some idea what is going on. COMMUNICATE WITH US.
It seems to me that Yard Sale, Silver Fox & SDSPOWER have hit the many problems on the head. When the game was launched, we were in the middle of COVID & the chip situation probably created the need for PD to make the game suitable for both PS4 & 5 To make it commercially viable. That must have created much work on their behalf. However we were all told that that this was the complete answer to racing games & I must say they have made generally a great game.
However they failed with regard to the lobbies (although I haven’t used them, old fart you know) & where are the up to date cars, not much is new!
I only got into online events in the last few months, but now wonder why I didn’t try them before, they are brilliant.
However, PD will lose customers if they don’t stop making stupid errors. I am lucky enough to have a PS5 & Fanatec Podium system, but although Fanatec are a supposed partner, they have been let down totally by the lack of capability to make use of the features of the Podium steering wheels & as for the ongoing farce regarding force feedback?
Update 1.15 was in many ways an improvement if there was really a problem with potential injury before, but to then replace that with 1.16 should have never been implemented. In any business, if you make a cock-up, it is great if you fix it quickly, but you must NEVER replace it with an untested, half complete repaif (lack of any high speed feedback).
To get back to the title of this stream, I fully support Rory’s video & letter. He might not be the best guy for the job, I don’t know, but at least he is trying to get some communication going. Gran Turismo cannot be allowed to fade away, come on PD, let your community have some idea what is going on. COMMUNICATE WITH US.
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From the very beginning, GT has been a console mover. It is, and likely always will be, what Mario is to Nintendo.
There is validity in the notion that PS5 shortages are somewhat to blame. With the game in PS4, there is no need for PS5, and with a renewed PS5 supply coming in an non guaranteed timeframe, they sacrificed and launched on PS4. Now, with cross gen play being something they've never had to deal with, they are struggling.
Whatever the reason, the game, currently, is best played alone against your own ghost lap. That's a pretty sad statement, especially after a two year pandemic.
There is validity in the notion that PS5 shortages are somewhat to blame. With the game in PS4, there is no need for PS5, and with a renewed PS5 supply coming in an non guaranteed timeframe, they sacrificed and launched on PS4. Now, with cross gen play being something they've never had to deal with, they are struggling.
Whatever the reason, the game, currently, is best played alone against your own ghost lap. That's a pretty sad statement, especially after a two year pandemic.
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Agreed. I think Yard Sale needs to provide evidence to his claims. Matchmaking is one clue that he is wrong, also the lack of PS5 consoles in retail outlets is the other. If someone is going to say something is a fact, provide proof to back it up. Otherwise it's attention seeking.
As long as they support the PS5 version, basically. At least with major changes/additions, any way.
Don't get me wrong I think the game should have been PS5 exclusive, but as I say, they've made their decision and they made no concessions around launch to suggest the PS4 version would be a lesser-supported legacy version. Some devs have done that. As far as consumers know they're the same product on different platforms and they should expect the same support for both.
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