Are intentional taps (little bumps) considered acceptable racing technique?
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TECHNIKRS4
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- TECHNIKRS4
Just watch the BTCC and make a vote after watching it lol.
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- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
IMO 'strategic' tapping is a no-no. 👎
Accidental 'tapping' happens in racing on occasion; usually with apologies
Accidental 'tapping' happens in racing on occasion; usually with apologies
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Professional racer Tomoyuki Tachi driving a replica of the Spoon Civic EK9 on episode 6. That was a dick move and was also the second civic driver to bump someone. I get the feeling Shuiichi Shinego thinks civic drivers are jerks. He claimed it was a valid racing option, so clearly he's a touring car racer.
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- London
- GTP_Stotty
Difference is BTCC is for real... people's livelihoods depend on race results. GT5 is a game... it's not that serious that it requires you to ruin someone elses race just to get a place ahead.
Punting (and that's what deliberate taps or barging is) is wrong... anyone who does it should be kicked off GTP and kicked from any rooms they go in to.
We used to have a blacklist for tossers who punted.
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- Darkblade986
Eh... that's a little different. PC-based racing games, and the NASCAR PC/Console games more specifically, have an unusual amount of lag and unpredictability in how a contact will be handled. Even an innocent bump in those games can result in someone getting thrown off course and wrecking.
Any intentional contact that disrupts another car's travel or helps your own is dirty. It doesn't matter who's faster, the car in front has the right of way and has the right to drive on the racing line or on a defensive line. If a driver makes an honest driving error and causes an incident, he/she should allow those affected to resume the race Ahead of the driver who made the mistake, even though it was unintentional.
Whoever started/popularized the expression 'Rubbing is racing' has done racing a great disservice. Rubbing is only decent racing if you're not ruining someone's race or using it to make you faster. My definition of Rubbing that is decent racing is light contact that causes no harm or gains no advantage.
Whoever started/popularized the expression 'Rubbing is racing' has done racing a great disservice. Rubbing is only decent racing if you're not ruining someone's race or using it to make you faster. My definition of Rubbing that is decent racing is light contact that causes no harm or gains no advantage.
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- Chicano3000X
- Chicano3000
I just wish there was a system that can detect weather or not a bump was intentional. That way people cant just ban you because they right away think your a prick. There should be a quick apology button. 
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- Columbia, MD.
- Parnelli_Bones
Wow, look at all the "yes" votes. I'm going thru this thread tomorrow and make a note of all the yessers, just so I can make a list and avoid them if they're ever online. 
I obviously voted 'no". Bumping a car from the rear is not rubbing, it's punting. Rubbing is when two cars rub fenders and/or doors. This happens plenty during real-life racing and is okay, so long as one of the drivers is not intentionally pushing the other one off-track or something.
Body slams are also bad behavior.
I obviously voted 'no". Bumping a car from the rear is not rubbing, it's punting. Rubbing is when two cars rub fenders and/or doors. This happens plenty during real-life racing and is okay, so long as one of the drivers is not intentionally pushing the other one off-track or something.
Body slams are also bad behavior.
bSUPERSPORT
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I just wish there was a system that can detect weather or not a bump was intentional. That way people cant just ban you because they right away think your a prick. There should be a quick apology button.
WoW thats ingenius, wonder why they never thought of that.
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- NotSoSilent
I only bump in the straights when someone will not less me pass when I am the faster car. I never bump in the corners cause thats just asking to spin someone.
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- oblivionskate
If I'm in a NASCAR lobby on a speedway track, and the other person has a headset, I ask them before bump drafting.
If the other driver is someone I've raced with before, and they're OK with it, which most of them are, then it's a legit tactic to improve the speed of both cars.
I don't bump draft any other types of cars or races.
PS. Bump drafting is bumping not slamming with a 25mph difference in speed.
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- orlando/fl/usa
- devildogg666
If you can't pass me without hitting me, then you should'nt be racing.
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- Strickand
Intentional tapping or hitting gets you kicked out of my servers. Not acceptable.
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- Columbia, MD.
- Parnelli_Bones
Bump drafting is a totally different thing. That's a legitimate technique used for advantage. I have no prob with it, as long as the driver I'm bumping is okay with it.
One of the first times I drove online at Daytona, my friend bump-drafted me and I was like "what the hell?"
Then I watched Daytona 500 this year and sure enough, that's what they all do now, all those NASCAR drivers.
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- Wales
- EMY-Welsh-Fury
I see this everywhere in racing. It seems to be fine to a degree before penalization occurs. Though, it is greatly frowned upon.
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- bulldawg_qw
I guess I'm a minority here. I'm an old school NASCAR fan. Rubbin' and bumpin' are completely acceptable. If I'm behind a guy on the last lap and I've haven't been able to get around him you better believe he'll be meeting the chrome horn if it means gaining a position before the checkers. There's nothing wrong with pushing somebody out of the way or running them high through the middle of a turn.
With that said SLAMMING someone while running considerably faster than they are is not cool, but if they do turn about is fair play.
Ok, let the barrage of complaints come forth.
With that said SLAMMING someone while running considerably faster than they are is not cool, but if they do turn about is fair play.
Ok, let the barrage of complaints come forth.
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- tigersharkdude
In normal racing "Rubbin' and bumpin' are completely acceptable"...HOWEVER, intentional bumping (IE, trying to wreck someone) is complete trash. If you do it to me, Im going to make sure we both lose
but if you are drifting getting bumped usually means instant wreck. I will admit i bump into people but never intentionally.
but if you are drifting getting bumped usually means instant wreck. I will admit i bump into people but never intentionally.
I see it like this.
In NASCAR,and in some touring car races, a certain amount of contact is acceptable, because the cars can handle it, and in RL races it is expected. Spinning someone out is frowned on, and in general as fans people have different opinions on what is dirty. The officials make the final call though.
Now, in any other kind of race- open wheel, street car, historic car, etc- contact is a no go. Yes, I say street car. imagine you are in your weekend cruiser and go to a track day and the guy behind you rear ends you to gain position. Really? If that happened to me I would have jail time from assault from knocking that asshole out for wrecking my car on a track day. If you owned a ferrari in RL, and some other ferrari club owners decided to have a freindly event, would you all go out and crash into each other and say "rubbin is racin?" REDICULOUS.
All in all, "rubbin" is for NASCAR and maybe touring car races, and only if for staying true to the standards set in RL races- no maliceous spin outs or high speed battering ram maneuvers. All else=no.
In NASCAR,and in some touring car races, a certain amount of contact is acceptable, because the cars can handle it, and in RL races it is expected. Spinning someone out is frowned on, and in general as fans people have different opinions on what is dirty. The officials make the final call though.
Now, in any other kind of race- open wheel, street car, historic car, etc- contact is a no go. Yes, I say street car. imagine you are in your weekend cruiser and go to a track day and the guy behind you rear ends you to gain position. Really? If that happened to me I would have jail time from assault from knocking that asshole out for wrecking my car on a track day. If you owned a ferrari in RL, and some other ferrari club owners decided to have a freindly event, would you all go out and crash into each other and say "rubbin is racin?" REDICULOUS.
All in all, "rubbin" is for NASCAR and maybe touring car races, and only if for staying true to the standards set in RL races- no maliceous spin outs or high speed battering ram maneuvers. All else=no.
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- United States
- GadgetGeek208
I love clean racing and I never ever race dirty BUT.....
I honestly love to be in a close race and have the driver behind me right on my bumper and giving me a few taps just to remind me he's there. I'll do the same if I'm the trailing car. I'm not gonna intentionally spin another guy out and I hope another driver would give me the same respect but a close race with a few innocent "love taps" is ok in my book.
.... Ok if you're racing street or GT cars. NOT ok if you're racing open wheel or prototype cars...
I honestly love to be in a close race and have the driver behind me right on my bumper and giving me a few taps just to remind me he's there. I'll do the same if I'm the trailing car. I'm not gonna intentionally spin another guy out and I hope another driver would give me the same respect but a close race with a few innocent "love taps" is ok in my book.
.... Ok if you're racing street or GT cars. NOT ok if you're racing open wheel or prototype cars...
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- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
All I can say is: what do you mean for bumping?
A small amount of contact is acceptable in NASCAR and touring car championships, due to the closed wheels and the presence of bumpers. In narrow tracks, where clean overtaking is almost impossible, slower drivers use all defensive techniques allowed: some are considered rude. If they are considerable slower, all, marshalls included, allow a small amount of 'bumping', i.e. hitting the rear of the car in front of you WITHOUT sending him out of track, or crashing in its rear on braking point. In most cases (narrow tracks, too much little difference in lap times, lack of top speed) you want to avoid large contacts, and without some collaboration of the driver in front of you, overtakes can be impossible. With bumping, you remind this guys that you are faster, and discourage them using ALL defensive techniques. Next step is trying a real overtake. If he's wise, he lets you come in without narrowing the line, braking on apex, driving you out of track exiting a corner and such rude techniques.
Bumping is not acceptable as a overtaking technique.
A small amount of contact is acceptable in NASCAR and touring car championships, due to the closed wheels and the presence of bumpers. In narrow tracks, where clean overtaking is almost impossible, slower drivers use all defensive techniques allowed: some are considered rude. If they are considerable slower, all, marshalls included, allow a small amount of 'bumping', i.e. hitting the rear of the car in front of you WITHOUT sending him out of track, or crashing in its rear on braking point. In most cases (narrow tracks, too much little difference in lap times, lack of top speed) you want to avoid large contacts, and without some collaboration of the driver in front of you, overtakes can be impossible. With bumping, you remind this guys that you are faster, and discourage them using ALL defensive techniques. Next step is trying a real overtake. If he's wise, he lets you come in without narrowing the line, braking on apex, driving you out of track exiting a corner and such rude techniques.
Bumping is not acceptable as a overtaking technique.
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- PHILLSHZ
i think they are happy getting a draft bump while cruising in circles in Nascar^^
Yeah a little "accidental bump" when running that tight is bound to happen,some minor rubbing is bound to happen in motorsport at some point,even F1 cars bang wheels but they don`t try to take each other out with it.
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- Florida
- MadBullBunny
- Xbox Fails.
The "drafting" in the game makes it unfair. I mean the draft will give you a 20+mph compared to the person in front of you. Then what people don't realize when you slam their rear doing that in GT5, it puts them in an uncontrollable spin. For some odd reason the steering factor of vehicles just goes away when someone plows your rear to try and get around you.
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- marshy10156
I prefer to keep racing as clean as possible but if i'm overtaking someone under braking and they know i'm there I'm going to hold that inside line all day so when other drivers try to take their usual racing line and I'm there, I'm going to hold my position but most people don't back out so it ends up side by side rubbing but if I'm heading for the rear quarter whilst trying the same move I'll always back off 'cause you're always going to spin them, at least side by side you both always have complete control.
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