Are intentional taps (little bumps) considered acceptable racing technique?

[darkblade986]

55% of people in this thread will never ever have a Super-License.

Want me to post my 60 Gold profile then? I'm one of those 55%.

(Yes, I said I was walking away, but that kind of comment is asking for a response)

Just because some of us believe that an arguably "dirtier" racing style is acceptable doesn't mean we can't hold our own against the "honorable" racers. Moral race style has no affect on actual speed or ability.

 

[GeneralJesh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_license
What does your "60 Gold profile" have to do to with anything ?

 

[darkblade986]

Meh... American ignorance. Don't mind me.

Could've sworn he meant the S-Class License in game. The point stands, though.

 

[noonelikeskat]

Watch the British touring cars...

 

[Exorcet]

In GT5? Absolutely fine. If there's no penalty for it in the game then why should I self-impose an imaginary penalty on my conscience?



You can't argue with results. If you don't like it, and it matters that much to you, find a different game that penalizes this behavior instead of rewarding it as GT5 does. Contrary to internet group-think, the designers (PD) make the game rules, not the majority of poll voters, not the gtplanet.com moderators, and not any real-world racing organizations or rule books. It's a game.

It's the host who makes the rules in a room, not PD.

 

[marshy10156]

And if the win matters so much to you that you need to make contact and ruin someone elses lap to pass you're a sad person.

That being said, it depends on the situation. As everyone keeps quoting that in BTCC rubbin' is racing, it should be noted that this is usually inspired by the fact that they are also in fairly short races so it is encouraged so there is some action because to pass cleanly usually requires waiting it out for the other driver to make a mistake.

I had the same situation happen the other day, I was racing in a good room with some quick clean racers, voted in Cote D'Azure as the new track but the host forgot to change the amount of laps for the race and was left on 1 Lap. The race started and mayhem ensued in a mad sprint for the finish line, at one point it was 3 wide going into the Casino hairpin, pushin' and shovin' everywhere but we all agreed at the end of the race that there was no deliberate PITting and slamming into walls which kept everyone happy and in the lobby until the laps were changed rather than the usual exodus after a bad race.

 

[Knelly]

We're not saying he has the right to push him off the road, he has the right to gently remove him from his line.


If you go back to that video of the GT race at Laguna Seca (2009), what we're talking about is that very gentle bump going into the hairpin. NOT the subsequent spin. Both cars remained perfectly in control, the Corvette (which if you watch replays of their two laps prior is OBVIOUSLY faster AND was run off the road by the Porche before) forces the Porche to run just a little wider than he wants and he takes the inside and makes the pass.

We are not advocating dive-bombing, either to pass a car or to hit a car, or to turn into another car to force them off the driving surface. We're advocating a little shoving to contest a specific plot of land. If you can drive into the turns a little harder anyways and the driver in front of you is going to slow down more, if you can give him a gentle, controlled shove that displaces him enough for you to make the pass, that's fine.



And I bring up the point that everyone has a different idea of what "racing" is. Us Americans (and I'd imagine a good portion of British) believe the "rubbin's racing" mentality from our forms of racing where it's acceptable in moderation - namely, NASCAR and British Touring Car. The rest of you are arguing about Formula 1 and other Open-Wheel cars which are designed so much for performance that they ignore durability and would shatter at the slightest contact. Of course bumping isn't allowed in those series.


There's no reason for anyone to get infuriated that this is even a point of conversation.

1 Million % to this, and is as I 'tried' to put it earlier in the thread. Perfect analogy!

 

[davelis]

BS. if i m racing and i see the overtake window, i ll take it.
The opponent will try to block, i m already next to him, we trade paint
AS long as the braking is mutual there is no problem

 

[uMadson?]

I agree that taps are acceptable, as long as it won't lead to something catastrophic.

 

[sinbad]

Taps to intimidate are fine. Taps to slow someone down or cause momentary loss of control (however small) are not fine!

The GT Laguna race is an example of the latter. It is supposed to be an advantage to be in front, but if these "minor" nudges with major results are acceptable, then who would want to be leading going in to the last lap? It's bad form, and if not controlled could quickly turn a racing series into a joke, which is why it's frowned on. Even BTCC race stewards will do their best to prevent it happening.

Contact is a part of those sorts of series and people like to see it, but only as a part of the racing itself, not as something which negates it.

 

[Corpsey]

after racing my bro (sorry if you read this ^^) I am discouraged from racing other people.. he plays really dirty.. (pushing and using momentum to gain a large lead and put me out, cutting through fields and chicanes, pitting) I'm more patient and am the type of person that likes endurance races though, at least 50+ laps.

What are peoples views on chicanes for online racing? there's no drive through penalties in gt5..

 

[trk29]

Drive inside the rumble strips or left or right tires on them. Chicanes are not meant to be taken as a straight line hence the chicane, unless it is possible to stay on the pavement.

Le Sarthe is bad for this, people take the chicanes differently some cut a little and some stay true to the road which is what I do. If you corner cut you are out of my room but that is the way I play.

 

[RazorsEdge]

Little bumps, yes, I don't mind 'em much, but still they are dirty. Crashing behind other to take it off the road and making you go past others is in opinnion = kick.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Bumps will happen, that's just how it is.

I may be too much of a Gentleman Racer but if I feel I passed unfairly (bumping or otherwise) I give the place back if I can.

 

[trk29]

Bumps will happen, that's just how it is.

I may be too much of a Gentleman Racer but if I feel I passed unfairly (bumping or otherwise) I give the place back if I can.

👍

 

[Colonel_Loki]

Bumps will happen, that's just how it is.

I may be too much of a Gentleman Racer but if I feel I passed unfairly (bumping or otherwise) I give the place back if I can.

I do that even to computers....

I just feel dirty if i complete the game like that, and i feel like i'm cheating myself too.

 

[chuyler1]

What are peoples views on chicanes for online racing? there's no drive through penalties in gt5..

I discourage it in my lobby by parking at the chicane after i've run a few warm up laps. If someone hits me in warmup, they get booted. If I see intentional chicane cutting lap after lap, they get booted after the race. I always send friend requests to clean fast drivers that show up in my lobby. On any given night there are usually 8-10 friends and 2-4 new people in my lobby. The newbs I consider on probation. If I get complaints about their driving from anyone over the radio or I see chicane cutting, they get booted without question.

I really wish off-track behavior was more realistic. Sand traps work correctly but driving over any green rumble strip or grass should give you instant suspension damage. however, that's a discussion for another thread.

 

[DCAnan7]

Sometimes I get really close to my opponent to cause pressure, it usually works, especially on Daytona where they sometimes get a little too nervous and spin on the grass.

But bumping is just dirty.

This is spot on.

 

[leepangfu]

It's impossible to race clean 100% of the time if you are racing very close together. Like in one race yesterday I was slipstreaming behind someone for a long time and I just couldn't get passed him. Then at the corner before going uphill to Karussel he braked way too early and I was very close behind him so I bumped into him and he went off track. Just my luck that it was the host and I got kicked.

Like someone else said before. I try to race clean all the time but accidents happen. And if I overtake someone unfairly I'll let him overtake me.

 

[chuyler1]

That happens to the best of us...best thing to do is pull off and wait for them. A good host will recognize your good faith behavior.

 

[Skunkyskunkface]

That happens to the best of us...best thing to do is pull off and wait for them. A good host will recognize your good faith behavior.

Agreed I always let the player back through if I bump them under braking. Most drivers will brake early if being followed just because they're afraid if being bumped off so touches are often unavoidable. It's really nice when you have the confidence in the others in the lobby to race knowing they will be fair. Often I am in a slower car and still get bumped off by inpatient drivers who cannot wait even one corner to pass me, I wouldn't even get in the way.... Grr

 

[chuyler1]

Yeah, if that happens to you a lot...first you should maybe run some laps in practice mode and chase your ghost to improve times. Second, I would find another room where drivers are more polite.

The front driver has the right of way, but there are also things the front driver can do to prevent getting tapped/punted. It may mean running a little slower, but at least you'll both stay on the track...

1) Add a little time between when you lift off the gas and you hit the brakes. A following driver should recognize your car getting larger and adjust either by changing direction or lifting off the throttle.

2) Ease into the brakes instead of punching them. This again gives the following driver a little more reaction time to get on the brakes or adjust their line.

3) Adjust your line so the following driver won't hit you when you brake hard. For example, if the fast line is out-in-out, just before braking move to the middle of the track for a mid-in-out line. The following driver will likely stay outside and come nose to nose with you entering the turn. Since you forced him to the outside, any contact will typically harm him more than you. If you continue to use a out-in-out line with someone on your butt, you give them no choice but to go inside if you brake earlier than they feel is necessary. No self respecting driver will try to cut inside you when you are already running a mid-in-out line so that's what has helped me keep my rear bumper clean.

 

[counter345]

One of these 'little taps' caused me to fly across the course. So, NO.

 

[leepangfu]

That happens to the best of us...best thing to do is pull off and wait for them. A good host will recognize your good faith behavior.

I tried but the first thing he did was kick me out

There are a lot of strange people in online racing. My last race was in a lounge called clean driving ...... . There were two races on trial mountain. The first one I started on pole and kept the lead to win with about 10 seconds. The second race I get followed close by the host that keeps bumping in to me trying to pass. Then at the last corner I see him flying by through the grass. Halfway I overtake him again and the bumping begins again. Lost the race eventually when one ''little bump as he explained'' sent me spinning into a wall. Nice clean driving

 

[chuyler1]

Yup, you meet all sorts in online racing. In that case, I would've brake checked him on the next straight and exited out immediately after. Its no fun racing with cheaters.

As for his "little bump"...keep in mind that lag can often cause cars to bounce around the track. What you see and experience is not always intentional. Give drivers the benefit of the doubt, especially when you see their car moving around oddly on the track.

 

[cryptomanic]

Rubbing or tapping a car is fine but forcing them to crash or a pit manuever is not. An intense race has lots of rubbing from the back and side. If you are in the final lap then I have to say do whatever it takes to win but do not crash or slam your opponent into a wall intentionally.

 

[sinharvest24]

INTENTIONAL taps are indeed dirty. There's always gonna be little bumps in a close race but if you intend to bump someone so that they may lose their driving line/crash or whatever just to overtake them is just unacceptable.

 

[cryptomanic]

INTENTIONAL taps are indeed dirty. There's always gonna be little bumps in a close race but if you intend to bump someone so that they may lose their driving line/crash or whatever just to overtake them is just unacceptable.

I disagree.
http://www.cbssports.com/nascar/sto...s-by-lifting-bumpdrafting-rule-add-horsepower

 

[sinharvest24]

I disagree.
http://www.cbssports.com/nascar/sto...s-by-lifting-bumpdrafting-rule-add-horsepower

I could care less about NASCAR, but that may make things more interesting but at the same time a lot more dangerous?

 

[Adrenaline]

As long as it's within reason, I say it's fair game!