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What car is it?
Have you checked the disc run out with a dial gauge though?
Are the wheel bearings smooth and noise free?
Are CV joint smooth and noise free? (if FWD)
Are the wheels correctly balanced?
Has it got aftermarket wheels fitted? If so is the spiggit ring fitted or the correct size?
The car is a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP.
Wheel bearings and C/V joints are fine, no noise.
The wheels were balanced last year when I got new tires, I inspected them thinking maybe a wheel weight fell off but the weights are still there.
Wheels and tires are stock but the brakes have been upgraded last summer.
I did some more searching and think I found the problem. It appears to be a case of brake judder, more specifically hot judder.
Here's what I got from Wiki:
Brake judder is usually perceived by the driver as minor to severe vibrations transferred through the chassis during braking.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17]
The judder phenomenon can be classified into two distinct subgroups: hot (or thermal), or cold judder.
Hot judder is usually produced as a result of longer, more moderate braking from high speed where the vehicle does not come to a complete stop.[18] It commonly occurs when a motorist decelerates from speeds of around 120 km/h (74.6 MPH) to about 60 km/h (37.3 MPH), which results in severe vibrations being transmitted to the driver. These vibrations are the result of uneven thermal distributions, or hot spots. Hot spots are classified as concentrated thermal regions that alternate between both sides of a disc that distort it in such a way that produces a sinusoidal waviness around its edges. Once the brake pads (friction material/brake lining) comes in contact with the sinusoidal surface during braking, severe vibrations are induced, and can produce hazardous conditions for the person driving the vehicle.[19][20][21][22]
Cold judder, on the other hand, is the result of uneven disc wear patterns or DTV (disc thickness variation). These variations in the disc surface are usually the result of extensive vehicle road usage. DTV is usually attributed to the following causes: waviness of rotor surface, misalignment of axis (runout), elastic deflection, thermal distortion, wear and friction material transfers.[11][22][23]
This sounds exactly like what I am experiencing. Perhaps caused by the cheapo autozone pads I got on there.