AssassinTuners HKS CT230R Tuner Shootout Release Tune.

[jazzcrab]

Hey Assasin,

I really like your tune! The car is so easy to drive with it - so much better than with the tune I applied before. Thanks so much, mate!

Greets,
jazzy

 

[AssassinTuner]

Hey Assasin,

I really like your tune! The car is so easy to drive with it - so much better than with the tune I applied before. Thanks so much, mate!

Greets,
jazzy

Thanks man. That's great to hear. I'll keep the Tunes coming. When I have a few more ready to publish I'll open an Assassin Garage.


We need some more testers, & maybe figure out the next weapon of choice for a new Shootout.

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay my HKS FT230R tune is up in my garage...yuck.
Hoping its my lack of driving skills and not just a horrible tune. Anyways thrash it boys and tell me what you think.

I'm a big boy so I can take the punishment!

Hey Assassin how about a hot hatch shootout, say the Ford Focus ST '06 in the NCD?

 

[Onboy123]

I'll run it later today and see how it is, maybe it'll work on flat tracks better.

 

[AssassinTuner]

Okay my HKS FT230R tune is up in my garage...yuck.
Hoping its my lack of driving skills and not just a horrible tune. Anyways thrash it boys and tell me what you think.

I'm a big boy so I can take the punishment!

Hey Assassin how about a hot hatch shootout, say the Ford Focus ST '06 in the NCD?

I like it, let's do a car battle set to a PP limit on SS tires. Maybe a FF Shootout?

 

[XDesperado67]

I'll run it later today and see how it is, maybe it'll work on flat tracks better.

Really wouldn't count on it...TGTT is a place I generally avoid. The Samba special there was about all I could handle.

The Lotus special just proved what a lousy driver I am.

 

[Onboy123]

Lol, don't worry, I screwed that one up big time as well, and I drove on that track for god knows how long…

 

[XDesperado67]

I like it, let's do a car battle set to a PP limit on SS tires. Maybe a FF Shootout?

Sounds good. Say somewhere between 475 and 525 PP room to really buff some of these hot hatches up but still keep them out of the stratosphere.

 

[AssassinTuner]

Let's call it 500PP even on SS Tires.

Beautiful, let's pick a track to host the event so the Tunes are not fish out of water at the Tester Track. Maybe a deadline for Entries would be a good idea.

Oh Yeah, FF battle coming up

 

[XDesperado67]

Let's call it 500PP even on SS Tires.

Beautiful, let's pick a track to host the event so the Tunes are not fish out of water at the Tester Track. Maybe a deadline for Entries would be a good idea.

Oh Yeah, FF battle coming up

Hmmm...are we going to limit it to one entry per tuner?
And what about cars...any FF or just Hatches or what?

 

[AssassinTuner]

Hmmm...are we going to limit it to one entry per tuner?
And what about cars...any FF or just Hatches or what?

That's sounds like a good idea, limit it to one entry per tuner.

Hmmm, I think we should keep it open to all FF's unless you have a real objection. Keep the spread wide, I'm not sure how many FF's I have let alone hatches. I'm not against keeping it a Hatch battle if that's what your interested in. Maybe some input from others on it would be good before calling it.

 

[XDesperado67]

If we're keeping it open to any FF then we want a track with a good mix of technical turns and high speed sections.
You have a lot of performance quirks in that PP area.
Example my SRT4 even restricted to 500 PP is scary fast in a straight line but doesn't corner real well. On the other hand my unrestricted 486 PP Cuore TR-XX will eat most cars in that range around a tight twisty track but tops out around 135mph with a really long straight.

 

[AssassinTuner]

If we're keeping it open to any FF then we want a track with a good mix of technical turns and high speed sections.
You have a lot of performance quirks in that PP area.
Example my SRT4 even restricted to 500 PP is scary fast in a straight line but doesn't corner real well. On the other hand my unrestricted 486 PP Cuore TR-XX will eat most cars in that range around a tight twisty track but tops out around 135mph with a really long straight.

I agree, one comes to mind, it's new and wont have anybody with years of experience grinding on it. But I think people might think I'm trying to be selective to a Track I like, so I'll leave it up to you, unless I really disagree. My suggestion is The new Nurb F1 Track. It's got all that we want.

I've gone ahead and started building my Car from the ground up. It's a sharp Sport Hatch I was fond of in GT4. I'm at 500PP right now a little worried about the break in so I'm sending Bob out in a draft tune to break it in fully.

Do you want to launch the Shootout or should I? I ended up hosting this one so it seems fair to let another get a Hot Thread Shootout.

Really, this is when I have fun with GT.

 

[XDesperado67]

I agree, one comes to mind, it's new and wont have anybody with years of experience grinding on it. But I think people might think I'm trying to be selective to a Track I like, so I'll leave it up to you, unless I really disagree. My suggestion is The new Nurb F1 Track. It's got all that we want.

I've gone ahead and started building my Car from the ground up. It's a sharp Sport Hatch I was fond of in GT4. I'm at 500PP right now a little worried about the break in so I'm sending Bob out in a draft tune to break it in fully.

Do you want to launch the Shootout or should I? I ended up hosting this one so it seems fair to let another get a Hot Thread Shootout.

Really, this is when I have fun with GT.

Harvey Wallbanger's Cafe would enjoy hosting this event. It's what the Outlaw Motorsports Garage is all about. You know the more often overlooked cars in the GT5 world.

 

[XDesperado67]

Let's get some input from a few more tuner and testers and then set this up.

 

[praiano63]

Okay my HKS FT230R tune is up in my garage...yuck.
Hoping its my lack of driving skills and not just a horrible tune. Anyways thrash it boys and tell me what you think.

I'm a big boy so I can take the punishment!

Hey Assassin how about a hot hatch shootout, say the Ford Focus ST '06 in the NCD?

I finish to test your tune. Sorry , it's not a review, but it bring me a huge benefit , and for shure to the others also.
First run with my tune, same s..t at deep forest, 1'09"300.
I set your tune and go for a first lap: Crazy , i sway like a snake on brake and accel. second lap i adapt me to your tune, third lap , 300 less than my time. 1'09"032. Fast. much more faster.
Just need 1 lap to adapt myself at your first view "crazy horse tune".

After that, i put again my tune and stay with your rear downforce, and your torque distr. 50/50 in the way of mine 25/75.

Result, first lap, 1'08"357. i win 1 sc just adopting your rear downforce, and your torque distribution.

This is great. thanks for this, that's why we have to be curious ,produce and test everything we can.

You're the man, yes we can. haha, like say your great president.

 

[AssassinTuner]

Let's get some input from a few more tuner and testers and then set this up.

Nice!! Yeah that's exactly what we need some time for input from others and let's get this thing started.

 

[zero_speed]

Let's get some input from a few more tuner and testers and then set this up.

Here is my take on this:

I think that the PP limit and tire selection is perfect. The track(s) should be disclosed to everyone ahead of time. Also the winner should be decided solely on lap times and nothing else. And I really can not think of anything else at the moment, but if I see something I do not like I will let you know.👍

 

[Onboy123]

Ok……did this thread just get distracted by the prospect of a FF shootout between tuners? Because if it did, I WANT TO BE TESTER!!!
And I've yet to test the new tunes, I'm going to try them on a CT230R which has been properly broken in (the one used in my previous test was completely new, which may have swayed results, I admit).
And Praiano, I've spent a bit more time with your tune (well, 3 laps of the 'Ring, to be exact), and though it was very easy to drive, it also felt too heavy and understeery at times…once bob is done with the GVS 300km and I've restored it, I'll give an update on the lap times and the new tunes.

 

[XDesperado67]

Suggest the winner is based on the average best lap time from several independent drivers. I'm pretty sure my tuned cars actually are capable of better performance than I can get from them. Not so much a good driver overcoming the faults of a tune as a poor driver not being able to match the cars potential.

 

[Onboy123]

Right, in between the slightly off topic spam, here's the re-run results-

Rotary Junkie- 1:04.175 (No change, car used in test was my personal one)
AssassinTuner- 1.04.272 (0.5 seconds faster)
Praiano- 1:04.585 (0.5 seconds faster)

 

[Adrenaline]

Alright boys... I didn't spend a tenth of the time on this as I usually do with my regular tunes, but due to the nature of this contest, time was a factor.

HKS CT230R

Deep Forest: 1:07.320
Top Gear Test Track: 1:02.424
50's at Tsukuba & 1:43's at Grand Valley

 

[AssassinTuner]

Suggest the winner is based on the average best lap time from several independent drivers. I'm pretty sure my tuned cars actually are capable of better performance than I can get from them. Not so much a good driver overcoming the faults of a tune as a poor driver not being able to match the cars potential.

Yeah, I'm game with that & Zero_speed too. It's also going to be cool to see what cars get brought out on Race Day

 

[Onboy123]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. A 1:02.424 on the TGTT??!! Is that a typo or something??!?! God you're fast. I'm tempted in just stop writing the review for XDesperado and just drive your tune now…
must…resist…temptation…to…break…records……………have…to…finish…reviews…………

 

[Onboy123]

XDesperado-
This is quite a weird tune…because unless my knowledge on physics are wrong, raising the rear and lowering the front will cause all weight to be shifted forwards when the car is resting, and will cause the weight to pushed even further forwards under braking. And if we remember, this car is quite nose-heavy already. Add that with the 50/50 torque split and we should have a car which has understeer on par with a yacht. But it isn’t that. It’s very agile, very loose. In fact, I’ll say that this is even looser than RKM’s car. But it also feels slightly more…compromised, than all the other tunes. The gearbox, for example. It’s not one designed to make the most of the acceleration this car has from stock. It also has some understeer/oversteer when you corner. Trouble is, you don’t know which it’ll do until you get there. It’s very easy to correct, but it’ll cost you time and get you irritated at some point. And with a lap of 1:04.958, it’s the slowest of all the tunes. If it was given a more…acceleration-orientated gearbox, it could have had the potential to get pass the RKM car. On several occasions, this was no more than a hundredth of a second from that car, but then when acceleration becomes the main focus, it gets left behind.

Lap time-
1:04.958 (Racing soft tyres, XDesperado’s setup)
Top speed achieved on back straight-
155mph

 

[Adrenaline]

My apologies to XDesperado, as since I tested your tune isolated from the others, I can't really give you any comparisons. I can tell you it drove nicely, felt pretty good all the way around.
Best 3: @ Deep Forest
4) 1:07.885
6) 1:08.191
8) 1:08.152

@Onboy, like I said, I didn't spend nearly as much time as I would on my normal tunes, so my laps times are definitely lacking. I might go back later on and try to post a better lap time, since I'm displaying them as my benchmark. I will say, however, that this car feels great on TGTT. This car is far more suited for this type of track. Deep Forest must have been a horrible choice to test on, because on TGTT at least I didn't feel like slitting my wrists. The car seemed to carve pretty well.

 

[praiano63]

My apologies to XDesperado, as since I tested your tune isolated from the others, I can't really give you any comparisons. I can tell you it drove nicely, felt pretty good all the way around.
Best 3: @ Deep Forest
4) 1:07.885
6) 1:08.191
8) 1:08.152

@Onboy, like I said, I didn't spend nearly as much time as I would on my normal tunes, so my laps times are definitely lacking. I might go back later on and try to post a better lap time, since I'm displaying them as my benchmark. I will say, however, that this car feels great on TGTT. This car is far more suited for this type of track. Deep Forest must have been a horrible choice to test on, because on TGTT at least I didn't feel like slitting my wrists. The car seemed to carve pretty well.
P.S. I forgot to mention, I use 0kg ballast at the +50 position. (For my tune)

I finish to test your tune at deep forest Adrenaline,i've put my phantom and i've check what your tune is about. No surprise, after 2 laps to acostumate, i turn 1'08"800 regular, but stay 1/2 second after the phantom. Gain of speed in curves , more incisive, grip, stable, but loose the line more easy during succession of turns ,more open line.
I'm not good to describe all i feel, but it's +- like this. I like the "eagerness" for curves of this tune, less dead fish than the others i know ,including mine off course. I have to test tomorow the RKM and Assassin that i know already but need to compare.

 

[Onboy123]

Adrenaline-
Ok, I’ve got to be a bit more careful with what I say about the car in this review, I don’t fancy losing my head to Adrenaline’s almost infamous temper anytime soon. Anyways, the car, what do I think of it now? Well, I think it’s ****ing fast, ****ing scary and ****ing good fun. By fast, I mean a 1:03.518. On my 2nd lap. This thing has become a wild animal. Properly mental. Even looser than RKM’s car, even faster, and feels like it’s completely lost its sanity. I’m not joking, my hands were shaking and sweating when I was finished with it. And that’s not even as fast as it could go. ****ing hell! This car needs you to give it your all. When you drive this, you do not give it a half arsed effort. When you drive this, you do not think about your lunch, you do not think about your girlfriend. You concentrate. Hard. Because this is so much looser, every bit of your concentration will be spent on keeping up with this thing’s cornering habits. Where does it understeer, and under what conditions? Which is the faster technique to corner, forced oversteer and aggression or keeping it on the lines? All these things you need to think about while driving it. And all the time you have to remember that this car will not tolerate mistakes. It’s a fine line between hyper-loose oversteer and race-ruining understeer. This test car wasn’t fitted with chassis stiffening, and is the newer one. When the settings were transferred to my personal one with chassis stiffening, it was slightly slower with a lap of 1:03.635. Though it could just be driver error. It understeers more when you exit a corner, is a little more forgiving (just), is slightly less loose and oversteery on entry, but comes at the cost of a 0.1 second gap. Personally, I’d live with the small margin of speed lost and just enjoy the tiny bit of sanity it now has. Though this is not the first time it’s done it, I’m left speechless when it comes to the performance it now has. What this is, is a car which takes all the points from RJ’s CT230R, the looseness, the wild speed, all that, and turns it up a notch.

Lap time-
1:03.518 (w/o chassis stiffening)
1.03.635 (w/ chassis stiffening)
Top speed achieved on back straight-
159mph

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I've been bitchsmacked. I now must defend my honor.

 

[Adrenaline]

Adrenaline-
Ok, I’ve got to be a bit more careful with what I say about the car in this review, I don’t fancy losing my head to Adrenaline’s almost infamous temper anytime soon. Anyways, the car, what do I think of it now? Well, I think it’s ****ing fast, ****ing scary and ****ing good fun. By fast, I mean a 1:03.518. On my 2nd lap. This thing has become a wild animal. Properly mental. Even looser than RKM’s car, even faster, and feels like it’s completely lost its sanity. I’m not joking, my hands were shaking and sweating when I was finished with it. And that’s not even as fast as it could go. ****ing hell! This car needs you to give it your all. When you drive this, you do not give it a half arsed effort. When you drive this, you do not think about your lunch, you do not think about your girlfriend. You concentrate. Hard. Because this is so much looser, every bit of your concentration will be spent on keeping up with this thing’s cornering habits. Where does it understeer, and under what conditions? Which is the faster technique to corner, forced oversteer and aggression or keeping it on the lines? All these things you need to think about while driving it. And all the time you have to remember that this car will not tolerate mistakes. It’s a fine line between hyper-loose oversteer and race-ruining understeer. This test car wasn’t fitted with chassis stiffening, and is the newer one. When the settings were transferred to my personal one with chassis stiffening, it was slightly slower with a lap of 1:03.635. Though it could just be driver error. It understeers more when you exit a corner, is a little more forgiving (just), is slightly less loose and oversteery on entry, but comes at the cost of a 0.1 second gap. Personally, I’d live with the small margin of speed lost and just enjoy the tiny bit of sanity it now has. Though this is not the first time it’s done it, I’m left speechless when it comes to the performance it now has. What this is, is a car which takes all the points from RJ’s CT230R, the looseness, the wild speed, all that, and turns it up a notch.

Lap time-
1:03.518 (w/o chassis stiffening)
1.03.635 (w/ chassis stiffening)
Top speed achieved on back straight-
159mph

I design all my tunes around the Chassis Stiffening, so the second test, is probably much closer to what I actually felt in the design process. I'm glad you liked(?) it.