AssassinTuners HKS CT230R Tuner Shootout Release Tune.
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I've had bad experiences using my offline tunes, online.
My first guess, would be to put the Front LSD at 5/20/7, Rear to 10/30/5.
Then, you might need to level the ride height out a little bit (raise the rear, before you drop the front), and possibly add a tiny bit more rear downforce(3). I do all my tuning based on feel, so unfortunately I can't make very accurate adjustments without driving it, like RJ can.
But that's where I would start off and go from there.
My first guess, would be to put the Front LSD at 5/20/7, Rear to 10/30/5.
Then, you might need to level the ride height out a little bit (raise the rear, before you drop the front), and possibly add a tiny bit more rear downforce(3). I do all my tuning based on feel, so unfortunately I can't make very accurate adjustments without driving it, like RJ can.
But that's where I would start off and go from there.
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Hey Onboy123 who has the best transmission on the CT230R in your opinion?
Since everyone else is taking a second shot at it figured I'd actually look at other people's tunes and do a bit of a frankenstein monster.
All my tests were done with the default transmission, to prevent any advantages from gearing. I'd assume RKM or Praiano have the best transmission, because they have their own systematic approaches. My Tranny settings are an RKM knockoff that I picked up from RJ.
Transmission Gears are something I was gunna spend this week testing and tuning, to see if any of these programs are worth their salt.
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Well, that's why I put the 'Top speed achieved on back straight' thing in as well. It's a rather crude way of showing how the car can accelerate from ~140mph onwards. The higher the speed achieved, the better the acceleration and the better the gearbox setup. I know this isn't the best way of testing, so I also make mental notes on how each gearbox performs…
If I had to rank them from 1st to 5th, it'll be in this order:
1st- Adrenaline's (Achieved 159mph, accelerates very quickly, which is the only way of putting it)
2nd- RJ's (Achieved 158mph, accelerates just as competently but is just slightly slower out of the corners)
3rd- AssassinTuner (Achieved 157mph, gearbox was a compromise, so acceleration was sacrificed for a high top speed)
4th- Praiano (Achieved 157mph, gearbox wasn't as quick to 'pick up' as AssassinTuner's, so subsequently was ranked behind it)
5th- XDesperado (Achieved 155mph, gearbox was unchanged so did not gain acceleration, was left behind compared to the others)
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Thanks Adrenaline for the input. I drive AT only and have no real clue on transmissions other than setting top speed to match track and occasionaly a minor tweak of final drive gear.
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Thanks Onboy123
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If you want to know what the ideal gearbox is, try Adrenaline and RJ's gearbox on your tune. It would transform it one way or the other. But, and I'm going guess here, it'll be quite a handful when you do. A very loose car + hyper short gear ratios = very tricky car to drive.
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Actually think the car likes to be driven harder. If you push it towards its limits its behavior is more predictable. It's when your a bit unsure and not pushing the car that its at its worst.
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For reference, XDesperado, I also use AT.
I actually applied RJ's transmission settings to my tune, to see what I was up against, His 1st and 2nd gears were better than mine, but during rolling laps, I felt I had a slight advantage, but negligible in the grand scheme. His will launch far better than mine will though, I know that much. I just tuned the gears the same way I have for all my tunes, which as mentioned earlier, is something I picked up from Rotary Junkie himself.
I actually applied RJ's transmission settings to my tune, to see what I was up against, His 1st and 2nd gears were better than mine, but during rolling laps, I felt I had a slight advantage, but negligible in the grand scheme. His will launch far better than mine will though, I know that much. I just tuned the gears the same way I have for all my tunes, which as mentioned earlier, is something I picked up from Rotary Junkie himself.
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Oh and just a thought for you test drivers. You might think about running the tunes in the Supercar Eifel race. You will get 1 1/2 - 2 laps of dealing with traffic that can force you to take less than optimal lines around the track. Then the last 3 laps you have clear track to get the lines down and see how the car does on open track.
My first lap would be in the high 1.09.xxx range, second I would generally be around the mid - low 1:08.xxx range, and last 3 low 1:07.xxx with an occasional high 1:06xxx.
Was averaging a low 5:41.xxx for the race.
Better drivers will of course cut a lot off those times.
My first lap would be in the high 1.09.xxx range, second I would generally be around the mid - low 1:08.xxx range, and last 3 low 1:07.xxx with an occasional high 1:06xxx.
Was averaging a low 5:41.xxx for the race.
Better drivers will of course cut a lot off those times.
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Several problems…
1. Not all of us know that track so lap times can't be compared
2. Testers like me who have two cars will need to do a race, exit, enter in different car with different rivals
3. Each race situation will be different, making direct comparisons with lap times difficult
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Advantages…
1. Good for testing a car's 'driver-friendly-ness' under constantly changing situations
2. A track such as Eiffel Circuit has very drastic elevation changes, good for testing a car's 'adaptability'
3. nearly 500k per race
1. Not all of us know that track so lap times can't be compared
2. Testers like me who have two cars will need to do a race, exit, enter in different car with different rivals
3. Each race situation will be different, making direct comparisons with lap times difficult
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Advantages…
1. Good for testing a car's 'driver-friendly-ness' under constantly changing situations
2. A track such as Eiffel Circuit has very drastic elevation changes, good for testing a car's 'adaptability'
3. nearly 500k per race
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Not so much concerned about comparison between different test drivers times.
Regardless of track knowledge the best tunes for that drivers style and skill should have the better time.
Yes if you exit the race completely to change cars you'll get a new field that can to some extent skew the results but as long as you use the same car and just make changes to it to match each tuner setup you'll have the same field. Can test 5 different tunes using the same field, exit to check UCD if wanted and go back for a fresh field if wanted.
Regardless of track knowledge the best tunes for that drivers style and skill should have the better time.
Yes if you exit the race completely to change cars you'll get a new field that can to some extent skew the results but as long as you use the same car and just make changes to it to match each tuner setup you'll have the same field. Can test 5 different tunes using the same field, exit to check UCD if wanted and go back for a fresh field if wanted.
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Just explain me one thing. Did you adapt my the gear box to the track with the final gear like i say on my tune?
Because you're speaking about "hyper short gear ratios" this just depend of my final gear...... i think dificult to have difference like this on the gear boxes, like you feel and classify. Perhaps others parameters have some influence but not the gear box. LSD for example or higher speed out of the last corner that give a higher final max speed...
have a good day.
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This is what it give +- ,you never reach the speed tat is writen above on the right. Generally i tune the effective max speed close to the red zone, where the max power is, you need alway a little margin before the limiter to pass others cars faster than you or at least follow them staying behind them.
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Might just be me, but I've noticed since the 1.10 patch that while top speed as selected on the transmission is much closer to actual it still seems to be about 4-5 mph lower.
Is this what everyone else is observing?
Is this what everyone else is observing?
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The gearbox on my Evo is tuned to the power band of the car. 7500rpm is where she makes the most hp, it's geared specifically for this. In order to take full advantage of this Tune the gears need to be used and manual shifting is required, or it's just going to be shifting at the red line. The LSD & TSCD are used to take advantage of the low end torque the engine produces and geared to it. Also the choice of Turbo comes into Play. My tune prefers the Mid RPM turbo, unless it really needs the extra top end for a Track. At TGTT a MID RPM turbo is much better and if shifting right will out pace the High rpm turbo all day long with the same driver.
I think this Shootout was great, but it lacked a little structure. The FF Shootout I feel will have many of those little things worked out and will be better in the end.
I'm going to finish up Breaking in My weapon of choice for our new Shootout, we need to get that set off
I think this Shootout was great, but it lacked a little structure. The FF Shootout I feel will have many of those little things worked out and will be better in the end.
I'm going to finish up Breaking in My weapon of choice for our new Shootout, we need to get that set off
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Alright Assassin don't run out on us yet as it looks like the CT230R shootout is going another round with several of us looking to improve/fix our tunes.đź’ˇ
If nothing else we should end up with the CR230R pushed right to its limits for performance!đź‘Ť
Alright spam alert!
In case anyone missed it we're looking to set up a FF shootout. Please bring all discussion of said FF shootout to my place Harvey Wallbanger's Cafe.
That said I'm announcing here first a 1 million credit purse to the FF winner. Also I'll put up 150,000 credits in cars and/or parts to any test drivers for the FF shootout.
Last Onboy123 do you want the restricted or unrestricted version of the Cuore TR-XX? I'm ready to send your "Pocket Monster" home.
Alright now back to the CT230R
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If nothing else we should end up with the CR230R pushed right to its limits for performance!đź‘Ť
Alright spam alert!
In case anyone missed it we're looking to set up a FF shootout. Please bring all discussion of said FF shootout to my place Harvey Wallbanger's Cafe.
That said I'm announcing here first a 1 million credit purse to the FF winner. Also I'll put up 150,000 credits in cars and/or parts to any test drivers for the FF shootout.
Last Onboy123 do you want the restricted or unrestricted version of the Cuore TR-XX? I'm ready to send your "Pocket Monster" home.
Alright now back to the CT230R
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