AssassinTuners HKS CT230R Tuner Shootout Release Tune.
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XDesperado67Alright Assassin don't run out on us yet as it looks like the CT230R shootout is going another round with several of us looking to improve/fix our tunes.💡
If nothing else we should end up with the CR230R pushed right to its limits for performance!👍
Alright spam alert!
In case anyone missed it we're looking to set up a FF shootout. Please bring all discussion of said FF shootout to my place Harvey Wallbanger's Cafe.
That said I'm announcing here first a 1 million credit purse to the FF winner. Also I'll put up 150,000 credits in cars and/or parts to any test drivers for the FF shootout.
Last Onboy123 do you want the restricted or unrestricted version of the Cuore TR-XX? I'm ready to send your "Pocket Monster" home.
Alright now back to the CT230R💡
I'm still in it & I'll jump back in the CT230R again, I just would prefer a Track more suited to the Car (IMO). Im all for pushing the limits of the car, just not at a Track that the resulting Tune will only be good for that specific Track. People have gone deeper at TGTT & people are not fully utilizing my Tune at TGTT (IMO). It's designed around Race Tracks with banking among other things. Im getting more interested in the FF Shootout because I feel it will level the playing field, and produce a handful of cars Tuned by a variety of Tuners that can be raced against each other by anybody.
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Like I said, lol:
I sacrifice 1st gear, because you only launch once, and I race with tire wear on, so I prefer to bog than spin off the line. Not to mention I don't like racing off into turn 1 with a bunch of <insert word of choice> who think they can make it stick full throttle on cold tires while simultaneously passing 10 cars. I usually wait until lap 2, before I even bother trying to pass people. By that time, half the field has already taken themselves out of contention.
My tune was completely based on Deep Forest. I put laps on TGTT to ensure that the characteristics of the car, didn't completely changed when going from elevation and banking, to flat and flatter.
If you'd like someone to test a specific track, just ask. But the track you mentioned earlier, is too long and too prone to promote driving variation rather than tuning variation, especially on a car like this, where it seems tuning has minimal returns. Is there any other track you'd prefer?
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How about one of the Great Valley tracks?
You have some longer straights for top end and some technical stuff without the weird off camber turns in deep forest.
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GVS is a great track.
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I think the Nurb F1 Track is the perfect Track for the Tune, I think the Track is better at bringing out Tune variations. I also like Grand Valley, but prefer Nurbergring GP/F.
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Hey Adrenaline I copied your transmission settings onto my CT230R. They're good for an extra 2-4 mph on the front straight at the Supercar Eifel track.
Will have version 2.0 of my tune up in a few minutes.
If you and Onboy have a chance would love to see how it fairs now.
Afraid it doesn't feel as loose now but think it corners better.
Will have version 2.0 of my tune up in a few minutes.
If you and Onboy have a chance would love to see how it fairs now.
Afraid it doesn't feel as loose now but think it corners better.
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Remember, all my tests were performed with the default transmission and gears. So any gains made with gears are obsolete in my lap times. I do this, to prevent things like you're describing, where Tune X was faster because of the gears, rather than the actual tune.
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Hmmmm... It's an absolute shame we couldn't have Noobsteer join us on this.
Or has he?
Or has he?
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People who get banned, usually just create new accounts, especially those as stubborn as noob. Usually the new account is created within a few days of when the old one was banned.
Even if noobster comes back(assuming he hasn't already), as long as he doesn't make the same mistakes he did before, then it won't bother me at all. I can move on, as long as he can be civil, there's no reason the rest of us won't.
XDes, I'll take a look, but it will be hard to give any feedback that isn't slightly slanted, because of how my tune works for my style. I'll see what I can do.
Even if noobster comes back(assuming he hasn't already), as long as he doesn't make the same mistakes he did before, then it won't bother me at all. I can move on, as long as he can be civil, there's no reason the rest of us won't.
XDes, I'll take a look, but it will be hard to give any feedback that isn't slightly slanted, because of how my tune works for my style. I'll see what I can do.
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Can you just forget about Noobster for good? He gets way too much attention and takes the slightest peep as an offense against him, even though he isn't involved... if he around would again jump on this one and justify himself being relaxed all the time and the others are all just RJs sheeps... and he is never the reason for anything...
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Ok, as requested by AssassinTuner, I’ve taken myself out of my comfort zone and will do a review of his tune on his recommended track. I’ve even gone out and bought a new one to clear myself of any expectations as the testbed used before was sent to Leonidae. Don’t worry, it’s had the ‘Bob-treatment’, it’s been run in.
Although this tune was designed to run on sport soft tyres, to make the feeling and judgements comparable, I’ll be using racing soft tyres. The recommended track? The Nurburgring GP/F.
Now, to avoid the whole load of unclear gibberish that I’ve become prone to writing for reviews, all my thought on this car will be logged down on each lap. So hopefully, it should make things clearer.
Lap 1: Need to get used to offline physics again, seems to understeer slightly……Yup, definitely understeers on slow corners. Steering feels rather heavy as well if you twitch it, seems to be designed around a wheel rather than a controller. Need to be smooth. Very stable on faster corners, unaffected by bumps.
Lap Time- 2:00.561
(It was a perfect lap!! Stupid understeer on final corner put me in sandtrap )
Lap 2: More of the same, really. Gear ratios do take some getting used to, though. On multiple times, I downshifted and was greeted with the sound of this car bouncing off the redline. Not a nice noise. Is quite deceiving as well. Looks like it’s on the right line to exit a corner, then promptly understeers off on occasion.
Lap Time- 1:59.216 (Was behind for a lot, only saved by the car’s trip into the sand on the first lap)
Lap 3: Ah, I think I’ve got the hang of this. Drive smooth. That’s the aim of this car, it seems. Gears, steering, handling, stability, all that, seems to be built around that very word. Smoothness. The power isn’t a racing car style thrust forwards, more a very steady pull. It’s requires a graceful style of driving. Reminds me of Noobster’s 22B, needs a constant, well timed, sensible rhythm to get the hang of it. As such, I’ve tried my best to imitate driving with a steering wheel, gently coming off the power and applying the brakes. It work! Nearly. I ran slightly too wide on the exit of a corner, nearly fell into the sand…
Lap Time- 1:57.409 (Getting there!)
Lap 4: Getting better. The car doesn’t tolerate aggression, it has a limit, but it’s very easy to stay within them without the need of slowing down. It does take some getting used to though, driving smoothly. It responds very well to this style, but will understeer way off the right line if you get cocky and aggressive. I’m liking this
Lap Time- 1:56.894 (new style fits this car, might hurt my abilities with my own though…
Lap 5: Smoothness is key. Smooth is good. Smooth=Fast. That’s what you need to know. It also seems faster with a ‘slow in, coast through bend, power when car is pointing in the right direction’ approach. It’s good fun to try and master, this technique. If you’re a perfectionist. My rather rough and brutal approach to driving my CT230R might take a bit of time to get used to again, but at least I know that it was sacrificed for a good cause.
Lap Time- 1:56.636 (Getting harder to improve now!)
Lap 6: Running out of talent, need to stop………car’s still good, but I’m not used to driving so smoothly…To sum the car up. Good. Smooth. Tough to master. Not one for you, Adrenaline. Good to keep me on my toes, in a different way. One more test to come. If there’s time.
Although this tune was designed to run on sport soft tyres, to make the feeling and judgements comparable, I’ll be using racing soft tyres. The recommended track? The Nurburgring GP/F.
Now, to avoid the whole load of unclear gibberish that I’ve become prone to writing for reviews, all my thought on this car will be logged down on each lap. So hopefully, it should make things clearer.
Lap 1: Need to get used to offline physics again, seems to understeer slightly……Yup, definitely understeers on slow corners. Steering feels rather heavy as well if you twitch it, seems to be designed around a wheel rather than a controller. Need to be smooth. Very stable on faster corners, unaffected by bumps.
Lap Time- 2:00.561
(It was a perfect lap!! Stupid understeer on final corner put me in sandtrap )Lap 2: More of the same, really. Gear ratios do take some getting used to, though. On multiple times, I downshifted and was greeted with the sound of this car bouncing off the redline. Not a nice noise. Is quite deceiving as well. Looks like it’s on the right line to exit a corner, then promptly understeers off on occasion.
Lap Time- 1:59.216 (Was behind for a lot, only saved by the car’s trip into the sand on the first lap)
Lap 3: Ah, I think I’ve got the hang of this. Drive smooth. That’s the aim of this car, it seems. Gears, steering, handling, stability, all that, seems to be built around that very word. Smoothness. The power isn’t a racing car style thrust forwards, more a very steady pull. It’s requires a graceful style of driving. Reminds me of Noobster’s 22B, needs a constant, well timed, sensible rhythm to get the hang of it. As such, I’ve tried my best to imitate driving with a steering wheel, gently coming off the power and applying the brakes. It work! Nearly. I ran slightly too wide on the exit of a corner, nearly fell into the sand…
Lap Time- 1:57.409 (Getting there!)
Lap 4: Getting better. The car doesn’t tolerate aggression, it has a limit, but it’s very easy to stay within them without the need of slowing down. It does take some getting used to though, driving smoothly. It responds very well to this style, but will understeer way off the right line if you get cocky and aggressive. I’m liking this
Lap Time- 1:56.894 (new style fits this car, might hurt my abilities with my own though…
Lap 5: Smoothness is key. Smooth is good. Smooth=Fast. That’s what you need to know. It also seems faster with a ‘slow in, coast through bend, power when car is pointing in the right direction’ approach. It’s good fun to try and master, this technique. If you’re a perfectionist. My rather rough and brutal approach to driving my CT230R might take a bit of time to get used to again, but at least I know that it was sacrificed for a good cause.
Lap Time- 1:56.636 (Getting harder to improve now!)
Lap 6: Running out of talent, need to stop………car’s still good, but I’m not used to driving so smoothly…To sum the car up. Good. Smooth. Tough to master. Not one for you, Adrenaline. Good to keep me on my toes, in a different way. One more test to come. If there’s time.
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Lol, yea, it was a weird statement. What I meant was that since you have quite an aggressive driving style, it shouldn't fit you as it's needed to be driven smoother to get the best from it. Still, please correct me if there's anything you disagree with.
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To the slow side?
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Edit - Transmission settings were the same for all 3 tests, which was my settings. Although the car red lines down the straight, and 1st/2nd are still iffy. I might have to fix that :/
XDes - It seems like you've adapted more than just my tranny settings, as I apply the LSD. Not a whole lot differing from our tunes now. I took it out to GVS, ran 5 laps. It's interesting how much more I enjoy this car, on every track but Deep Forest. Understeer is still present on exit, the corner balance seems to be a bit off, bit I felt like my tune had the same issue, so it might be the car. The front tires seem to have too much brake power, as they heat up under hard braking. Upon high speed braking, the rear end is unstable. Other than that it felt good. You were first, so I don't have a comparison yet.
Best 3: (Only 5 laps per tune this time)
2) 1:44.984
4) 1:45.255
5) 1:45.297
Faster than my Enzo and my Yellowbird. Wasn't expecting that.
Next up is Noobster.
Much more stable under high speed braking. I had issues with this tune, that took me a few laps to figure out. What it came down to, was, this tune actually corners better than XDes' in single corner scenarios. Meaning, the first corner of GVS, the hair pin, the sweeping tunnel turn and the final turn of the track. It was smoother, held it's line better, more consistently and a touch tighter than XDes' BUT... as soon as you put back to back turns together, where you have to do a left, right left, or versa visa, this tune struggles and the XDes ghost cruises by and you try to put the AssassinTuner tune back into the racing groove. This created some inconsistencies for me. When done with precision, it gave me a super fast lap, but the room for error was practically non-existent. For a 1 lap wonder, it's great, but for racing consistently lap to lap, I wouldn't feel confident in this setup.
Best 3:
4) 1:45.563
6) 1:44.402
7) 1:45.166 (Yes, I cheated, I gave noob extra laps, because I didn't think the lap times accurately represented the tune)
I skipped Praiano's and RKM's tune, because they both are doing re-versions and Praiano even stated obtaining better lap times in XDes' tune, so I don't see the point.
Out of curiosity, I tossed my tune back on. I wasn't going to include it, because everyone will think it's biased. But, just for reference, within 2 laps I had already beaten the AssassinTune Ghost, and by the 4th lap I broke into the 43's. But... I will admit it's sloppy. For GVS it could probably do with 1 less rear brake bias, and reset the ballast back to default.
2nd Edit: I'm just going to remove the ballast from my tune, it seems to only apply to Deep Forest anyways. And my garage has the ballast quick fix so bleh.
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RKM
RJ, I also tested yours, just because I didn't want to leave you out. The on throttle understeer is what kills the potential. It wasn't as maneuverable as my tune, but it was equally as stable as XDes' (more stable under high speed braking) and had more room for error than Assassin's.
Best 3:
1) 1:45.146
3) 1:45.216
4) 1:45.079
XDes - It seems like you've adapted more than just my tranny settings, as I apply the LSD. Not a whole lot differing from our tunes now. I took it out to GVS, ran 5 laps. It's interesting how much more I enjoy this car, on every track but Deep Forest. Understeer is still present on exit, the corner balance seems to be a bit off, bit I felt like my tune had the same issue, so it might be the car. The front tires seem to have too much brake power, as they heat up under hard braking. Upon high speed braking, the rear end is unstable. Other than that it felt good. You were first, so I don't have a comparison yet.
Best 3: (Only 5 laps per tune this time)
2) 1:44.984
4) 1:45.255
5) 1:45.297
Faster than my Enzo and my Yellowbird. Wasn't expecting that.
Next up is Noobster.
Much more stable under high speed braking. I had issues with this tune, that took me a few laps to figure out. What it came down to, was, this tune actually corners better than XDes' in single corner scenarios. Meaning, the first corner of GVS, the hair pin, the sweeping tunnel turn and the final turn of the track. It was smoother, held it's line better, more consistently and a touch tighter than XDes' BUT... as soon as you put back to back turns together, where you have to do a left, right left, or versa visa, this tune struggles and the XDes ghost cruises by and you try to put the AssassinTuner tune back into the racing groove. This created some inconsistencies for me. When done with precision, it gave me a super fast lap, but the room for error was practically non-existent. For a 1 lap wonder, it's great, but for racing consistently lap to lap, I wouldn't feel confident in this setup.
Best 3:
4) 1:45.563
6) 1:44.402
7) 1:45.166 (Yes, I cheated, I gave noob extra laps, because I didn't think the lap times accurately represented the tune)
I skipped Praiano's and RKM's tune, because they both are doing re-versions and Praiano even stated obtaining better lap times in XDes' tune, so I don't see the point.
Out of curiosity, I tossed my tune back on. I wasn't going to include it, because everyone will think it's biased. But, just for reference, within 2 laps I had already beaten the AssassinTune Ghost, and by the 4th lap I broke into the 43's. But... I will admit it's sloppy. For GVS it could probably do with 1 less rear brake bias, and reset the ballast back to default.
2nd Edit: I'm just going to remove the ballast from my tune, it seems to only apply to Deep Forest anyways. And my garage has the ballast quick fix so bleh.
19th Edit:
RKM
RJ, I also tested yours, just because I didn't want to leave you out. The on throttle understeer is what kills the potential. It wasn't as maneuverable as my tune, but it was equally as stable as XDes' (more stable under high speed braking) and had more room for error than Assassin's.
Best 3:
1) 1:45.146
3) 1:45.216
4) 1:45.079
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Nice review Adrenalin, thanks for running the Tune, but my name is "AssassinTuner" not Noobster. I hope you can understand this. I don't see your eerie similarities. For a guy who's hated so much he sure is talked about often. No bashing members in here please. If you think Im an imposter or an ex member back to get you, call a moderator, if not then cool, I'd like to talk GT with positive people, no room for Hating on anybody, time to move on.
Onboy123 you are right I do drive with a wheel and agree it's much easier to be precise when steering, I'm glad you were able to get some more seat time with the Tune.
I guess he missed it, but there is also a revision of my Evo, in the works keep an eye out, but I will say I'm more focussed on the FF Shootout.
Onboy123 you are right I do drive with a wheel and agree it's much easier to be precise when steering, I'm glad you were able to get some more seat time with the Tune.
I guess he missed it, but there is also a revision of my Evo, in the works
keep an eye out, but I will say I'm more focussed on the FF Shootout.
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Nice review Adrenalin, thanks for running the Tune, but my name is "AssassinTuner" not Noobster. I hope you can understand this. I don't see your eerie similarities. For a guy who's hated so much he sure is talked about often. No bashing members in here please. If you think Im an imposter or an ex member back to get you, call a moderator, if not then cool, I'd like to talk GT with positive people, no room for Hating on anybody, time to move on.
Onboy123 you are right I do drive with a wheel and agree it's much easier to be precise when steering, I'm glad you were able to get some more seat time with the Tune.
I guess he missed it, but there is also a revision of my Evo, in the works
Bolded are all the "eerie similarities". If it is you (got a feeling it is as well as that acc's existence being the reason for No_OBsT33R being banned) no problem. Just don't start being an insufferable arse again. If it's not, my apologies. Just... I don't think we're wrong here. Particularly with the way you react to every time someone brings up "noobster/noobsteer".
PS: Nobody else misspells Adrenaline's name every time they mention him.
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Yea, as RJ said, it's fine if it is you, in fact, I'd feel rather happy for some reason. If you're thinking why, lemme show you. This is the similarities Adrenaline found:
1: He referred to me (Adrenaline) as Adrenalin, with no E, the same wasy noob always did.
2: English isn't his first language
3: He's trying to mask the language barrier by applying punctuation and capitalization, but he doesn't do it consistently, which points that he doesn't fully understand 'why or when' to use them, he's just mirroring common punctuation by others.
4: Syntax.
As For tuning...
1: Higher front brake bias
2: Level ride height, Assassin went out of his way to make sure people knew the ride height was to level the car, not to take advantage of 'reverse tuning' that noob was adamate against.
3: Like RJ said above, bias to RL tracks
4: Stubborn. When faster tunes were found, it's only because we didn't test on the track that he needed us to.
5: Noobs 'next tune' was the CT230, Assassins 'First' tune, was the CT230.
6: Stiff front spring, soft rear, his LFA seems to be the only exception with 50/50
7: LSD Initial, Noob's LSD initial seem to be 12-14-16-16 with the BMW as the exception.
8: Toe. All of noobs tunes have positive rear, negative front. Assasins CT is the same.
9: LSD Accel, 32, 36, the CT is 38
10: LSD DeAccel, 18, 18, 19, the CT is 22
11: Shocks, Noob consistently used higher numbers in the rear for ext and comp, Assassins CT does the same.
12: Transmission settings are also similar. Using Top Speeds over 200mph, with mid to high finals.
What are the chances that you'd get someone who types and tunes the same way? The world is big, but not that big
But if it isn't, then I very sincerely appologise for mistaking you, and I hope we can move on from this and continue………wtv it is that we are doing 👍
1: He referred to me (Adrenaline) as Adrenalin, with no E, the same wasy noob always did.
2: English isn't his first language
3: He's trying to mask the language barrier by applying punctuation and capitalization, but he doesn't do it consistently, which points that he doesn't fully understand 'why or when' to use them, he's just mirroring common punctuation by others.
4: Syntax.
As For tuning...
1: Higher front brake bias
2: Level ride height, Assassin went out of his way to make sure people knew the ride height was to level the car, not to take advantage of 'reverse tuning' that noob was adamate against.
3: Like RJ said above, bias to RL tracks
4: Stubborn. When faster tunes were found, it's only because we didn't test on the track that he needed us to.
5: Noobs 'next tune' was the CT230, Assassins 'First' tune, was the CT230.
6: Stiff front spring, soft rear, his LFA seems to be the only exception with 50/50
7: LSD Initial, Noob's LSD initial seem to be 12-14-16-16 with the BMW as the exception.
8: Toe. All of noobs tunes have positive rear, negative front. Assasins CT is the same.
9: LSD Accel, 32, 36, the CT is 38
10: LSD DeAccel, 18, 18, 19, the CT is 22
11: Shocks, Noob consistently used higher numbers in the rear for ext and comp, Assassins CT does the same.
12: Transmission settings are also similar. Using Top Speeds over 200mph, with mid to high finals.
What are the chances that you'd get someone who types and tunes the same way? The world is big, but not that big
But if it isn't, then I very sincerely appologise for mistaking you, and I hope we can move on from this and continue………wtv it is that we are doing 👍
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Apologies accepted.
Wow, and your going to be shocked by my FF entry then. I won't reveal too much about it only that it's maximizing it's potential in all aspects, sure to cause some confusion online when it passes unsuspecting victims.
Wow, and your going to be shocked by my FF entry then.
I won't reveal too much about it only that it's maximizing it's potential in all aspects, sure to cause some confusion online when it passes unsuspecting victims.
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We always have to consider some Tunes work better if driven with a certain style. My HKS CT230R is one of them, so is Adrenalin's, etc. This is the reason we need more testers with varying driving styles. So each tune has more of a chance to get driven to it's fullest potential.
I'll add...
I'll add...
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While this is true to a certain extent the best cars both in GT5 and in the real world are the ones that make it easy for a variety of drivers and driving styles to get a high level of performance from.
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I agree to an extent. For Tuning/Driving simplicity grab the R35 GT-R.
As this shootout is going there is really only 1 tester. That's just not enough. In order to see if the tunes works for a variety of styles more than 1 style need be used.
When I last hit GP/F before posting my tune I hit 1:52 or 1:53 (I'll have to check when I get home) no sweat and with space to shave even more time off. I'm not that great a driver so I'm sure the faster guys could take the tune even further.
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That's why I posted a bounty for drivers.
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Yeah, many of the regulations in the new shootout work to level the playing field and hopefully inspire more testers to come forward and get in on the Fun. I think fastest overall lap needs high reward for drivers, while average lap defines the winning tuner.
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