Assetto corsa coming to PS4 and Xbox one

[doblocruiser]

Tuned Countach 5000QV ? How much power and weight does it have ? If the car still has stock weight but added power, the brakes need to be beefed up, otherwise the brakes will be too weak for the speeds the car can do. Does the S2 Countach has upgraded brakes ? I think you just need to brake earlier

I have no clue. Didn't look at the specs at all but as @skazz explained it's probably only without the spoiler. I think I need to brake a lot earlier. 200m sign on the straights of Vallelunga but it doesn't take away that there is really no feedback or whatsoever from this car while braking. I'll try it again this evening to see if I can get another experience with it.

 

[dopedog]

Not sure if its something i'm missing, but when i set a race weekend with grid of the BMW E30 DTM cars its me in a liveried car v's 15 white BMW's... kinda ruins any sense of reality.

 

[azidahaka]

Online mode is actually pretty good. Played some races at Monza last night. No lag, pretty good racers, no bumping.

Unfortunately I only finished 5th (on 8 players). I guess it's impossible for dualshock peasants to keep the pace.
My best lap was a 1.58, the first one did constanltly less than 1.47

I thought people reported pad as not an issue speed wise?

Not caring much since I have a wheel and waiting for proper online but just surprised you were 13 seconds slower... Should be as bad as pcars?

Our maybe the wonder wasn't using a gt3 car lol

 

[Scaff]

I thought people reported pad as not an issue speed wise?

Not caring much since I have a wheel and waiting for proper online but just surprised you were 13 seconds slower... Should be as bad as pcars?

Our maybe the wonder wasn't using a gt3 car lol

It could also be because it considers GT2 cars to be in the same class as GT3 cars.

Just like a 'same class' race I ran in the RS1600, in which Alfa GTA's and old Abarth 500's are all considered to be in the same class!

 

[doblocruiser]

The mixed class definitely needs balancing.

 

[skazz]

GT2/3 together is something pCARS does as well (and I hate it there too).

AC on PC has filters for all GT, GTE and GT3. When you pick a GT car yourself, the automatic filter does default to all GTs together, but you can simply switch to another filter, or alternatively you can specify exactly which opponents you want (which exact car and how many AI use that car). That's more than acceptable.

 

[forzaturismo]

Obligatory console vs pc meme.

 

[BrandonW77]

I don't honestly care how it stacks up to PC, we know that PC owners are all handsome, talented driving Gods and legends of old, frankly we are inferior to them as humans...... In their minds....

Some think that way, but not all of us. A lot of the PC players in this forum cut their teeth on consoles and a lot of us raced together for many years on GT5/6. I spent the better part of 15 years as a console racer (got my first FFB wheel around 1999) and only made the move to PC a couple years ago. I ran leagues, had wheel/pedals/shifter, and even triple screens for Gran Turismo, I took it as seriously then as I do now. And if I'm honest I probably had more fun console racing than I've had on PC because the community is so much better/bigger. I certainly would never look down on console players, some people just can't afford a PC and that should never be a cause for ridicule. We can all enjoy the hobby regardless of what platform we play on, I say the more people involved in sim racing the better.

 

[skazz]

And just for fun, the opposite: I bought my first console after 20+ years of being PC only. For me it was Gran Turismo (specifically GT5p) which tempted me to the "dark side" with amazing graphics far ahead of any PC race sim.

As a result, I'm absolutely useless with a console controller. Give me HOTAS, keyboard+mouse or wheel and I'm happy, but I have terrible control with the little controller thumbsticks

 

[dopedog]

Some think that way, but not all of us. A lot of the PC players in this forum cut their teeth on consoles and a lot of us raced together for many years on GT5/6. I spent the better part of 15 years as a console racer (got my first FFB wheel around 1999) and only made the move to PC a couple years ago. I ran leagues, had wheel/pedals/shifter, and even triple screens for Gran Turismo, I took it as seriously then as I do now. And if I'm honest I probably had more fun console racing than I've had on PC because the community is so much better/bigger. I certainly would never look down on console players, some people just can't afford a PC and that should never be a cause for ridicule. We can all enjoy the hobby regardless of what platform we play on, I say the more people involved in sim racing the better.

Well I've said before I wish I came across more people like you more often when discussing anything from Motorsport to games to Politics.
I started on the Amiga 500, sort of a PC in its day!
Consoles are great though for me, very happy.

 

[Losco]

I thought people reported pad as not an issue speed wise?

Not caring much since I have a wheel and waiting for proper online but just surprised you were 13 seconds slower... Should be as bad as pcars?

Our maybe the wonder wasn't using a gt3 car lol

It's indeed "playable" with a pad, but I think is very hard to be competitive.

By the way, I probably suck

 

[BrandonW77]

Well I've said before I wish I came across more people like you more often when discussing anything from Motorsport to games to Politics.
I started on the Amiga 500, sort of a PC in its day!
Consoles are great though for me, very happy.

I won't talk politics, it's pretty much impossible to have a sensible conversation about that topic with most people. Same with religion.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I just hate this idea that only a select few PC sim Gods can 'get it', its by far the easiest driving game to control I've ever played, which is good as that's realistic, but i think most of us 'get it' even us heathen console players. What worries me is people then get scared to say anythings wrong with the game as they think it proves they can't drive and they are a noob, then nothing ever gets fixed.. And by your own words then no review can ever be wrong as its personal opinion, only people can think it's wrong.

Who is saying this? And that's the third time you quoted the words, "get it" when responding to me and earlier you asked me why I said it. It's time to dig out the quote and show me where I said that.

And where did I say a reviewer can never be wrong as it's personal opinion? This is hardly the same thing is it?

As I stated earlier, each reviewer will look at the game based on his personal likes and dislikes, things he thinks are important etc. That's why no two reviews are alike and scores are usually all over the map.

I believe you are proceeding from a false premise.

 

[RaceFuchs]

There is something i wanted to share with you, just in case you didn't noticed yet. AI difficulty varies depending on your choosen car or class. In a GT3/GT2 race, the AI will drive very professional and fast, but quite agressive too, even on "easy" setting. To beat them on track, i have to do a perfect clean race and do a lot of practice.

Today i did a 3 laps race around the full Nürburgring with the BMW 235i Racing. All AI drivers used the same car. It was a piece of cake. I did some stupid mistakes, but i finished 1st anyway. Simply because the AI was too slow. They didn't act like professional race drivers, more like amateurs.

So i guess it really depends on the choosen car and class. GT3 AI is, more or less, simulating pro drivers, while in cars like the 235i you get to race average joe, at least on "easy".

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, the wing reduced top speed a lot Countach already have CD of 0.42 without wing If braking distance is bad, I wonder how Testarossa would do, it was said to be worse than Countach

BTW, fun trivia : Lamborghini stated that tested 5000QV engine varies in power output ( production stage ), some produced about 470HP on test dynamometers ( which should raise more after proper run in ), despite official spec at 455HP, production tolerances were questionable back then and running in the engine took longer miles than most cars. The Countach 5000QV owned by Pierlugi Martini has been said to top at 190.1 Mph , tested by Peter Dron of Fast Lane driving on Autostrada in Italy.

And Car Magazine April 1986 impression :

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    " Both cars did well. The Countach felt instantly at home, its heavy steering, gearchange and pedals efforts - and its compact driving position - suited the extreme loads of hard driving.
    
    But what told most was its superb capability over high speed bumps and its marvellous handling balance. It turned best, it stayed flat under serious provocation, it braked without dive and it steered quickly and with precision. It behaved as many of the people who take pure track cars there would one day like their machinery to behave.

" All around was noise, of course .... the Lamborghini Countach is quicker, better handling, better braked, and nicer to drive .... After that, the Testarossa felt like a Ford Fiesta. Efforts required were light, it made less noise. It offered a nice, upright driving position and seemed almost airy in comparison with the Lamborghini.

It rode better, too, but its steering didn't have the bite, it understeered more. Its seats lacked the proper degree of lateral support for maximum effort corners, and its brakes felt a little spongy after very much work. Its areas of clear superiority were its gearchange, not nearly as heavy as the Lambo's and twice as slick, and its engine throttle response. That by a whisker.

Summary of impressions by various tests :

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    " Marvellous noise of a V12 on full song" - Autocar commenting LP400.
    " This engine has an unusually wide useable rev band, even for a big V12. Indeed, the response to flooring the throttle at only 1,500rpm in top is simply instant, smooth, turbine-like acceleration." - Fast Lane.
    
    Steering and cornering:
    " ... mild understeer....Yet for a mid-engine car with rearward weight bias, we found the Countach to be surprisingly good in the skidpad drop-throttle test. The tail stepped out moderately, and thereafter was very easy to catch and gather up." - Road & Track
    " However, you then arrive at your first bend in the Countach, and its responses to your actions are so precise, and predictable, that you instantly feel that the car is working for you." - Fast Lane
    
    " But what told most was its superb capability over high speed bumps and its marvellous handling balance. It turned best,, it stayed flat under serious provocation, it braked without dive and it steered quickly and with precision. It behaved as many of the people who take pure track cars there would one day like their machinery to behave." - CAR
    
    Controls:
    " The Countach is tremendous fun to drive. All of its control inputs have a hard, heavy feel that borders on crudeness." - Road & Track
    " The Fichtel and Sachs clutch is very heavy" - Fast Lane
    
    " Its heavy steering, gearchange and pedal efforts - and its compact driving position - suited the extreme loads of hard driving." - CAR
    
    Transmission:
    " The ratios are so well spaced that pushing the throttle to the floor in any gear at almost any speed produces the sort of acceleration that really does force your neck backwards" - Fast Lane
    Brakes:
    " The brakes are powerful, easily modulated, with very good feel" - Road & Track.
    " If no body told you that the brakes were servo-assisted, you'd probably not suspect it" - Fast Lane.

Countach is not horrible in terms of driving performance and experience

That's a 30 year old review based on expectations consistent with the era. I'm sure you could dig out a review of a Ferrari from the 50's and 60's and it would say the same thing. A modern hot hatch would probably blow the doors off the top sports cars of 50 years ago on the track. Fact remains, no performance car from the 80's can hold a candle to a modern performance car and to expect superior braking or cornering performance on 80's rubber and with 80's technology is unrealistic.

Online mode is actually pretty good. Played some races at Monza last night. No lag, pretty good racers, no bumping.

Unfortunately I only finished 5th (on 8 players). I guess it's impossible for dualshock peasants to keep the pace.
My best lap was a 1.58, the first one did constanltly less than 1.47

1:47's on Monza in the GT3 class would be a top time on pc. There are very, very few drivers on that pace.

 

[dopedog]

Who is saying this? And that's the third time you quoted the words, "get it" when responding to me and earlier you asked me why I said it. It's time to dig out the quote and show me where I said that.

And where did I say a reviewer can never be wrong as it's personal opinion? This is hardly the same thing is it?


I believe you are proceeding from a false premise.

You said the Spanish reviewer understood the game, the other reviewer with lower score 'didn't'.
If i understand something i could say i 'get it'. No?
Suggestion could be that if you score the 'game' low you don't understand it...or don't get it...

Anyway...do get it, its great! Just understand its a hot lapping game.

Get it now?

 

[HammyMansell]

I won't talk politics, it's pretty much impossible to have a sensible conversation about that topic with most people. Same with religion.

Trump for president....................Not!!!! Lmao!

 

[Losco]

1:47's on Monza in the GT3 class would be a top time on pc. There are very, very few drivers on that pace.

Looks I wasn't lucky!

 

[Cote Dazur]

That's a 30 year old review based on expectations consistent with the era. I'm sure you could dig out a review of a Ferrari from the 50's and 60's and it would say the same thing. A modern hot hatch would probably blow the doors off the top sports cars of 50 years ago on the track. Fact remains, no performance car from the 80's can hold a candle to a modern performance car and to expect superior braking or cornering performance on 80's rubber and with 80's technology is unrealistic.

1:47's on Monza in the GT3 class would be a top time on pc. There are very, very few drivers on that pace.

1.47 and he his Canadian, go Canada go!

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That's a 30 year old review based on expectations consistent with the era. I'm sure you could dig out a review of a Ferrari from the 50's and 60's and it would say the same thing. A modern hot hatch would probably blow the doors off the top sports cars of 50 years ago on the track. Fact remains, no performance car from the 80's can hold a candle to a modern performance car and to expect superior braking or cornering performance on 80's rubber and with 80's technology is unrealistic.

Yeah, I know all of that already. I only tried to show that Countach is not horrible in performance or driving experience even during it's era of production ( one example was vs Testarossa ) You need to learn more, the 80's sports car, some of them can still hold high cornering G's and respectable braking distance compared to modern sports car like F40, of course today, they are fitted with current up to date tires, tires do make huge difference. For perspective, F40 could do 1:03s at Tsukuba on factory tires, only certain level of modern sports car could go lower than 1:03s and they need stickier modern tires to do it.

I didn't know what tires were used by @doblocruiser on his Countach.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You said the Spanish reviewer understood the game, the other reviewer with lower score 'didn't'.

No, I didn't. I said one reviewer looked at it from one perspective and another looked at it from another perspective. When you asked me about it I specifically said:

I didn't say it should be reviewed one way or the other. I'm giving my impressions of what I see in the reviews and attempting to answer the question of why the two reviewers came to different conclusions. Your personal experience may vary.

If i understand something i could say i 'get it'. No?

You can. Not sure what that has to do with attributing the quote to me and asking me why I said it. Still awaiting the quote of me saying it though...

Suggestion could be that if you score the 'game' low you don't understand it...or don't get it...

Who suggested that?

Anyway...do get it, its great! Just understand its a hot lapping game.
Get it now?

Get what? I've never made any conclusions about what the game is or isn't on console. Your experience may vary?

Yeah, I know all of that already. I only tried to show that Countach is not horrible in performance or driving experience even during it's era of production ( one example was vs Testarossa ) You need to learn more, the 80's sports car, some of them can still hold high cornering G's and respectable braking distance like F40, of course today, they are fitted with current up to date tires, tires do make huge difference.

I didn't know what tires were used by @doblocruiser on his Countach.

I'd be much more concerned if the Countach was using similar braking points to the GT-R or Corvette in the game than I would be if it wasn't braking quite as well as either of those two cars.

 

[doblocruiser]

I didn't know what tires were used by @doblocruiser on his Countach.

The default ones Haven't checked the setup.

 

[BrandonW77]

You said the Spanish reviewer understood the game, the other reviewer with lower score 'didn't'.
If i understand something i could say i 'get it'. No?
Suggestion could be that if you score the 'game' low you don't understand it...or don't get it...

Anyway...do get it, its great! Just understand its a hot lapping game.

Get it now?

No, I didn't. I said one reviewer looked at it from one perspective and another looked at it from another perspective. When you asked me about it I specifically said:

You can. Not sure what that has to do with attributing the quote to me and asking me why I said it. Still awaiting the quote of me saying it though...
Who suggested that?
Get what? I've never made any conclusions about what the game is or isn't on console. Your experience may vary?

I don't think you two are going to resolve this any time soon. Maybe time to take it to PM if it's really that big of an issue to you guys?

 

[dopedog]

After looking at the review briefly it appears the Spanish review looked at the game for what most of us thought it would be. A great driving simulator where the standout feature is the driving experience and everything else is secondary to that experience. The other review tends to look at it as an overall gaming experience which never has been and never was touted as either the focus or strongsuit of the game. It would be similar to both reviewers doing a review of GT6 and one focuses on the overall game and the other zero's in on the physics aspects of the game, in which case, they'd provide the opposite review to AC.

OK.
The game isn't sold as "what most of us thought it would be" its sold as a game, a 'racing simulator' no less, but you claim the strong suit of the game isn't the gameplay or gaming experience...which is odd as its a game.

Anyway, scrap this now. Johnny (and Brandon) on various forums I've tried to get good feedback on PC sim set ups, I'm yet to find anyone really help me, its quite daunting with the choices, so i ask you, I want to play AC, PCars and race room on PC, i have tx wheel, rig, don;t need a TV etc, so if i said i have £1000 to spend on the rest would you say that can get me far?
Also is there any complete packages i can buy?

 

[boxster233]

I have tried 5 online races so far and 3 were fantastic. The other 2 are ruined by people who either forgot where brake was or just plain refuse to use it.

Last night I was having a great 10 lap GT3 battle in the SCG 003C at Spa-Francorchamps when half-way down the Kemmel Straight I ran out of fuel while running a comfortable P2. I pulled off and watched the others fly past me. Horrible feeling!

I haven't tested it but does lift-and-coast and short-shifting work in AC? I would assume it does but never considered until last night.

Where are you located? Had similar experience in US at about 10:15 central time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

quote..

Yes, that's what I said. One reviewer focused on one aspect of the game and came to one conclusion and another focused on the overall game and came to a different rating. Still awaiting sources for the quotes you attributed to me...

 

[Losco]

1.47 and he his Canadian, go Canada go!

I'm quite stunned. My lap would be 63rd position overall. Not bad, not bad at all.

Thanks for fixing my self esteem

EDIT: Even better, considering I was not driving a Huracan but a Z4GT3, and the best lap so far is 1.49

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I'd be much more concerned if the Countach was using similar braking points to the GT-R or Corvette in the game than I would be if it wasn't braking quite as well as either of those two cars.

I would too if Countach could brake as deep as GTR or C7 Vette with original factory tires Doblocruiser said he braked at 200m sign at Vallelunga ( I think this is Cimini turn ? ), which is pretty early IMO as the Cimini is double apex turn, similar to Motegi Road Full course 1st turn, he could pick different lines to suit the braking distance.

The default ones Haven't checked the setup.

Default would be original 80's tire ? Try lower front and rear tire pressure a bit to see if braking distance improved, on real car, the optimal tire pressure gives the best braking distance on most situation, increase or decrease in tire pressure of 20% than optimal usually leads to worse braking distance. Some cars depending on the weight/distribution, tire and drivetrain layout, lowering tire pressure by 20% or more from recommended factory value may reduce braking distance, but increasing more likely to increase braking distance.
Optimal here pressure that gives even tire temp across the tire ( not under or over inflated ) when hot.


Seeing that you have no feel on the pedal while braking may be because front/rear tire pressure set too high, usually over inflated tire would feel numb under braking.

 

[dopedog]

Yes, that's what I said. One reviewer focused on one aspect of the game and came to one conclusion and another focused on the overall game and came to a different rating. Still awaiting sources for the quotes you attributed to me...

2 reviews one's 6/10, one's 8.9/10. You say the 8.9 review the guy understood that the game isn't about gameplay but about the driving.
6/10 reviewer says driving is fantastic but as a game over all scores it 6.
The reviewer who reviews the game as a whole package is IMO the best reviewer to listen too. As he agrees it drives brilliantly but as a package it needs work to bring it up to a 8 or 9 score.
I say the 6/10 reviewer understood AC perfectly and nailed the review. Just reviewing a game based on hot lapping is silly.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

Where are you located? Had similar experience in US at about 10:15 central time.

I am in Ireland. It was going so well after a hard-fought race to P2. Great fun though!