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HKS racer
I don't want to sound stingy but you also need to consider the cost of the bill with the 500/600 W power supply needed to run a modern gaming pc, expecially when Mummy and Daddy are not the ones supposed to pay that bill.
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You are right! In my case, luckily, I am the Daddy but unfortunately Mummy doesn't feels too happy about Daddy's hobby:lol:
 
HKS racer
I don't want to sound stingy but you also need to consider the cost of the bill with the 500/600 W power supply needed to run a modern gaming pc, expecially when Mummy and Daddy are not the ones supposed to pay that bill.

Calculate the average hours you play, how many days a week, multiply it for the value of your electricity contract so you can have a rough idea of what we are talking about. Again, I'm not saying do not buy this do not buy that, hell no, just pointing out an "hidden cost" I rarely see talking about in a sim racing forum.
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My rate is 9 cents per killowatt hour so 500-600 would be under 5 cents an hour, not too bad. Plus 1 cent for the TV, and not sure what my wheel pulls in. 6 cents per hour is a lot if you were running it 24/7 (over 30 a month) but 4 hours a day would only be about $6 a month. The computer will only draw that much power when you're actively racing/whatever which is probably not even 8 hours a day in most cases.

Of course it does depend on how much you pay per killowatt hour but the US average is 10 cents, can't imagine it being much higher elsewhere is it?
 
DG_Silva
Apparently, one issue with going for an expensive graphics card is that it gets hamstrung by a cheap CPU. The better idea is trying to save a little bit with both. If you go for an i7-3770k with a 660Ti or 7950, this may be a better overall idea.
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That's what I'm concerned about. I don't really have the money right now to get a new computer but my laptop is terrible. I only have a i3 370M 2.4GHz dual core CPU and integrated graphics. I'm worried even if I bought a graphics card for it, that the crappy CPU would hold it back.

I'm not trying to run games at max or anything, but this laptop can't run pCars, so I'm concerned it may not run AC, although netKar is extremely light on my resources, and I wouldn't be surprised if AC was like that as well. Hopefully AC is light on resources (for a sim with such good graphics) it has just like netkar but if not I really need to find a solution to be able to run AC at least at minimum
 
TomBrady
...Of course it does depend on how much you pay per killowatt hour but the US average is 10 cents, can't imagine it being much higher elsewhere is it?
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There is quite a difference per country and from what I've seen, the US is one of the cheapest.
 
MeanElf
There is quite a difference per country and from what I've seen, the US is one of the cheapest.
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For instance here in Italy the standard rate for one kWh (kiloWatt per hour) while using about 2700 kW is 0,14 / 0,15 without taxes. With taxes should be 0,18. In my case, chosing the right power supply it's important. Too low power and I risk the pc won't cool down enough, risking hardware relaibility on the long run. Too high power and I'll have quite a bill I guess.
 
HKS racer
For instance here in Italy the standard rate for one kWh (kiloWatt per hour) while using about 2700 kW is 0,14 / 0,15 without taxes. With taxes should be 0,18. In my case, chosing the right power supply it's important. Too low power and I risk the pc won't cool down enough, risking hardware relaibility on the long run. Too high power and I'll have quite a bill I guess.
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It doesn't work like that. You would need a seriously high end computer to use 600 Watts of electricity (2 GTX 680s in Sli with top i7 processor doesn't even use that much) like being discussed before or an old less efficient one. The system only uses the power it uses. My system takes about 150W for 60FPS for Ferrari Virtual Academy. I know with more efficient components by the time the game comes out, I could get a system that will play this game taking less power. What is useful in looking to get right power supply is the efficiency at different levels of load. 80 Plus Gold or Platinum certified, you will generally get very high levels of efficiency and a good quality power supply.
 
HKS racer
In my case, chosing the right power supply it's important. Too low power and I risk the pc won't cool down enough, risking hardware relaibility on the long run. Too high power and I'll have quite a bill I guess.
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PSUs don't work like that. For example, if your system consumes, say, 400W, even if you got a 1200W PSU you'd only ever see about 400W being consumed. It's absolutely impossible for a PSU to supply more current than is required by all of the devices connected to it. Also, the higher rated the PSU, the (generally) more efficient it is at lower outputs; a 1200W PSU will waste less in heat than a 650W one at 400W.

You do still need to be picky about the components you choose, but I would say a modern graphics card means you don't necessarily have to choose low power consumption over performance. A GTX 680, which is a pretty good card, automatically scales the power consumption from 48W to 250W (I think?) when it really needs the power, so it averages out to be extremely low consumption if you do leave your PC on all the time.


Edit: Oh so completely tree'd!
 
neema_t
PSUs don't work like that. For example, if your system consumes, say, 400W, even if you got a 1200W PSU you'd only ever see about 400W being consumed. It's absolutely impossible for a PSU to supply more current than is required by all of the devices connected to it. Also, the higher rated the PSU, the (generally) more efficient it is at lower outputs; a 1200W PSU will waste less in heat than a 650W one at 400W.

You do still need to be picky about the components you choose, but I would say a modern graphics card means you don't necessarily have to choose low power consumption over performance. A GTX 680, which is a pretty good card, automatically scales the power consumption from 48W to 250W (I think?) when it really needs the power, so it averages out to be extremely low consumption if you do leave your PC on all the time.


Edit: Oh so completely tree'd!
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That thing about efficiency with higher wattage PSUs being more efficient at lower loads compared to lower wattage PSU is not necessarily true. Normally power supplies work best in terms of efficiency at about 50% load, work worst at lowest amount of load so 650W one might be more efficient. Biggest factor obviously is how efficient the PSU is though, if it is rubbish, it is rubbish.

Completely tree'd indeed ;).
 
Saidur_Ali
That thing about efficiency with higher wattage PSUs being more efficient at lower loads compared to lower wattage PSU is not necessarily true. Normally power supplies work best in terms of efficiency at about 50% load, work worst at lowest amount of load so 650W one might be more efficient. Biggest factor obviously is how efficient the PSU is though, if it is rubbish, it is rubbish.

Completely tree'd indeed ;).
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I see, I was under the impression it was all about how close to the maximum output the PSU is, thanks for clarifying. So there is still a point to be made that if you spec the lowest possible output supply for the sake of lowering your electricity bill, you're doing more harm than good and you're better off with giving it some headroom... Just maybe not three times the required power kind of headroom! Maybe this means I need to rethink my power supply, I've got one GTX 680 and a 2500K with an 850W supply which I bought because I thought I was going to SLI a pair of 580s.
 
neema_t
I see, I was under the impression it was all about how close to the maximum output the PSU is, thanks for clarifying. So there is still a point to be made that if you spec the lowest possible output supply for the sake of lowering your electricity bill, you're doing more harm than good and you're better off with giving it some headroom... Just maybe not three times the required power kind of headroom! Maybe this means I need to rethink my power supply, I've got one GTX 680 and a 2500K with an 850W supply which I bought because I thought I was going to SLI a pair of 580s.
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The closer to maximum output, you generally start losing efficiency too. Good to look up reviews of PSUs that detail efficiency rating the load your computer will use and then get best one.

I've got a 850w PSU too, my computer only uses 200W on full load ;). I don't use my computer much so I don't really mind but next year I plan on building a new PC with all the latest and efficient parts, Haswell looks very promising for idle power consumption. I will try to get a lower wattage PSU but with enough headroom to upgrade and 80 Plus Platinum Certified. Hopefully 20nm GPUs are out as well, it should be then possible to make a gaming PC, that draws less than 200W on full load but can play more or less all games at 1080P at 60FPS at highest levels of detail. It will be sort of like building a PC equivalent of what I expect the next PlayStation or Xbox to be. Good thing is for people who are looking to get into PC gaming, it will be very affordable to build a very capable gaming PC for not a lot of money next year (It is sort of that case already).
 
Answer to "What are the minimum system requirements" (From seloc.org) ?

Marco Massarutto (Production Director) :
It’s difficult to say yet – the optimization process hasn’t started yet. Assetto Corsa natively supports DirectX 11, therefore will not be compatible with Windows XP and with DirectX 9 or 10 graphics cards, but will work with DX10.1 hardware. But I’m talking about hardware produced 4 years ago or before. Assetto Corsa is compatible with my ATI 4800 Series that I bought in early 2009.
 
TomBrady
I'm not trying to run games at max or anything, but this laptop can't run pCars, so I'm concerned it may not run AC... Hopefully AC is light on resources (for a sim with such good graphics) it has just like netkar but if not I really need to find a solution to be able to run AC at least at minimum
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You have to bear in mind that pCARS is so badly unoptimised, that in its current state, you cannot compare it to a finished product. For example, on my PC, pCARS runs at 1440x900 with low everything (car detail on high) at 20-30fps. F1 2012 on the other hand runs at 1680x1050 at high detail with 4xAA at 50-60fps. I think your laptop will run pCARS, but possibly only on release.
 
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Waheed
lol yes, the driver is too huge for the car I think
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It's not just that, it looks really tall, like those caricatures that squash cars and make them tall and thin. Not as extreme of course but it just doesn't look right. Maybe it's just the angle but something seems off.
 
Nope, its been looking like that from the very first pic that was shown. The E30 has something to it that makes it incredibly hard to get it looking "right" in a game. Forzas E30 also looks somehow off, for example. In Project CARS there was luckily a team member who owns one and gave the modeler all the measurements he needed and it was still a week or so of tweaking until it looked spot on.
 
The cars in Forza are laser sacanned aren't they? I'm pretty sure AC's cars are, you can't get more spot on than that...
 
R1600Turbo
The Zonda R was laser scanned, I know that much. I don't see why they wouldn't do it for every car.
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iMikeTheKing
Some cars are laser scanned some are not.
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Only reason I'd see for that is having existing models already, wich for games like GT5 and Forza wich have hundreds and thousands of cars in the laser scanning already existing models would'nt be so practical when being under preasure for a fast release.
PC games on the other side where car count is significantly lower it makes a lot of sense as the scanning eliminates all the guess work and lowers production times quite a bit.
 
Hum, i am not sure that laser scanning lower production time. (I would say its the contrary)
When you laser a model as complex as a car, what you have is just the volume of the car.

But the job is just 10% done from here.
After that, you have to model the car anyway and make the 3d mesh game standardized.

But yeah, you have laser precision shape, which is a good gain of time in the car modeling process.
But they also work with a lot of references photos while building the car anyway.
 
Guys, just look at the images of the AC M3 and real pics of the car. The proportions are definitely off, if that thing was laser scanned, there was something wrong with the scanner. :D

Luckily thats not a real problem in a game like AC. As long as you recognize it as an M3, its fine... What counts is if it drives like a M3.
 
This video makes me :bowdown:



It looks like no any other game. The car actually looks like it has suspension!

Kaz should consider to start playing other racing games. He will deffinitely learn something from others.
 
About the E30 if you compare it to this photo http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/performancebmw-001_edited.jpg proportions looks very similar imho.


Instead if you compare to this one http://www.varbak.com/immagine/bmw-e30-nera-foto-nb14528.jpg it looks different because there are lot of tuned BMW E30 nowdays, so not every E30 has the same bodysize, this one for instance have a sort of widebody kit.

Also consider the mirrors in AC are not the typical "BMW style" mirrors. Maybe they should change them.
 
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