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Kind of wish the voting for cars hadn't been so disappointing to me, but I'll do the pre-order @50 percent off. How can I not. That track, laser scanned, with AC's tech? So want.
EDIT: Went and looked at the voting again. I'm still bitter about the awesome vintage Alpha Romeo's getting snubbed, but at least the Audi Quattro group B managed to finish second in Audi's group. Last time I'd checked, it was like third. So that's a relief.
EDIT: Went and looked at the voting again. I'm still bitter about the awesome vintage Alpha Romeo's getting snubbed, but at least the Audi Quattro group B managed to finish second in Audi's group. Last time I'd checked, it was like third. So that's a relief.
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Wheres the Santas 
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It is a most Merry Christmas.
I'm amazed to see all the whining all over the internet (not here).
Oh, wait, it's the internet. Why am I surprised?
Just goes to show how unrealistic most are with sales in this genre. AC may be a success, relatively speaking, but it's still had very modest sales. That people think their 40 dollars should pay for new content for the next five years is definitely disappointing. So much entitlement everywhere. I wonder how many people whining would sign up for a job that required long hours, for the next five years, and zero pay. I'm guessing not too many.
I'm amazed to see all the whining all over the internet (not here).
Oh, wait, it's the internet. Why am I surprised?
Just goes to show how unrealistic most are with sales in this genre. AC may be a success, relatively speaking, but it's still had very modest sales. That people think their 40 dollars should pay for new content for the next five years is definitely disappointing. So much entitlement everywhere. I wonder how many people whining would sign up for a job that required long hours, for the next five years, and zero pay. I'm guessing not too many.
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"...That people think their 40 dollars should pay for new content for the next five years is definitely disappointing...."
Yeah, I paid $40, but others now are getting even this low content release for less...", so much for supporting early.
I am not expecting every car/track imaginable and would be happy to have the option to add content "at an additional cost" but I would appreciate finishing what they started first, improving or finishing the game I already paid for. Heck, at least give us some AI or multiplayer before asking for more cash for something 10 months down the road. Just saying...
In contrast, the folks over at Slightly Mad Studios didn't bother to announce anything, they just went ahead and released a nice XMAS build with new cars and Brands Hatch. They truly deserve more of my cash, just saying!
Yeah, I paid $40, but others now are getting even this low content release for less...", so much for supporting early.
I am not expecting every car/track imaginable and would be happy to have the option to add content "at an additional cost" but I would appreciate finishing what they started first, improving or finishing the game I already paid for. Heck, at least give us some AI or multiplayer before asking for more cash for something 10 months down the road. Just saying...
In contrast, the folks over at Slightly Mad Studios didn't bother to announce anything, they just went ahead and released a nice XMAS build with new cars and Brands Hatch. They truly deserve more of my cash, just saying!
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These guys aren't with a big publisher or anything, they're not even nearly as big as Slightly Mad. It's a small development. They need to break this news early on and hype it up so they can get as many people onboard in early access and buying the initial release to help them stay afloat and keep producing, otherwise they'll drop off. I don't want that to happen. Yeah, it may suck right now, but we need to make some sacrifice in our usual consumer sensibilities in order to get the best end-product possible considering everything else involved in this.
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Well if the page on the Assetto Corsa website is anything to go by all they have done is made a bunch of people angry about them announcing dlc before the game is even officially released. Personally I don't care about that but I'm not sure I agree that making a big fuss and hype over an announcement (which was obvious to me from the start, but I guess not to others) like this was the best course.
I'm definitely happy to see that the track is coming, on the other hand it's such a long way off It's not worth getting excited about, I want to be getting excited about it next august.
I'm definitely happy to see that the track is coming, on the other hand it's such a long way off It's not worth getting excited about, I want to be getting excited about it next august.
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Yeah, that's fair. I'm not surprised by the reaction honestly. Things will settle down though, guys just feel like they're being given the classic run around with DLC practices these days. And what Kunos is doing fits the bill for that. But like I said, considering their position as a small developer, I think what they're doing is warranted.
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What's their budget anyway? SMS has 3.7 million euros/5 million dollars for pCARS (including 1.5 million euros of their own cash). Like pCARS, to me paying for this is just a way to get early access to their work in progress, as well as a way to support development from independent developers. I'm sure they'll add some more content that you don't have to pay for, and September 2014 is a long way off, who knows what will happen between now and then.
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Did you see the screenshot they posted? I can't imagine they're going to want to scan that track before Spring (so the trees are in bloom). Then they'll have to spend months building it. It's 25 miles afterall.
I think they're going to be busting their hump Spring - October to get it done.
So why announce now?
Because if you go by accepted Steam sales standards (of multiplying 10X peak user base), it probably sold around 10,000 at launch. And you get the majority of your sales at launch. If they were able to double that with the featured daily, we're talking maybe 20,000 total sales (25,000 if they're really lucky).
The fact they're announcing this early, months before scanning would even start, and offering a 50 percent discount, implies to me they want to use those pre-sale funds to pay for a lot of that expense. And the license and scanning will be expensive.
This genre is too niche for people to expect not to have to pay for nice things.
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You praise SMS but they have been talking about DLC from a long time ago and the game is in alpha, so according to you SMS is as bad as Kunos. Kunos released a nice update with the F40, E30 Gr.A, F599XX, Z4 GT3, Monza, SMS released an unfinished track, and 4 unfinished cars graphics and physics wise. I hate doing this comparisons because i love both AC & pCARS, and i will buy DLC for both games. IMO asking DLC to be free (specially if it is a laser scanned Nords) just because you paid (discounted) early (to play early) an unfinished game (published in Steam as an Early access game) and complain people could get it cheaper ($10 bucks cheaper) knowing that Steam winter sales were coming, sorry i just don't agree with you at all.
PD released GT6 for $60 and is not even finished either.
Also Kunos added the E30 Gr.A, Spa, Elise Roadster, etc for free.
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I never said DLC should be free or that all tracks and cars be free, money isn't the issue here. I guess it's the buildup and timing of the announcement that triggered my disappointment. I eagerly paid my $40 and have been waiting for features to make AC a game, more that just hot lapping. That's me, I realize many are happy hot lapping all day. I am an not a GTx car collecting guy, it's quality over quantity for me. But, and this is me, I need a racing game to have on track competitors. I'll get over it... the world we live in is pay now play later.
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You act like it's not all already done though. They're not really building that much. They're pretty much just at the polishing stage. They could dump everything on us all at once, but they'd rather introduce it in a trickle in order to see where the problems are as releases come through. That way, it'll be much easier for them to spot trouble and introducing new elements won't be as much of a Jenga puzzle if you get me.
This is early access, no one put you in an arm bar forcing you to buy now. Seems like you're the type that would've been much happier getting into early access in its last stages.
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I tried to find some reference videos of the 49 being driven hard but I couldn't find any. There was one of Jackie Stewart doing a practice lap of the old Nurburgring filmed from a chase car but he didn't seem to be pushing it too hard, the rest are all modern videos, presumably where the driver has been told that if he bins it, he's paying for it. The tyres in that video do look like period-correct ones, though, the cut of them looks the same, but the actual rubber compound and construction might be completely different. Nothing remotely like the four-wheel drifts these cars were supposedly known for!
I've tried the F40 again and I still think there's something missing. It's new though, right? I think it was in my game from day one but I did only buy it on the second day of the sale. I did enough laps of Monza for the fuel light to come on, so maybe six or seven, and apart from getting my braking points wrong resulting in understeer or downshifting too early/without rev matching, I didn't have as much trouble with it as I thought I should. But again, this is depending on the legends about it being a nervous machine that wants to kill you dead are even remotely true.
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I recall a quote from Jackie Stewart saying that the cars from GPLegends were more difficult to drive than the real thing, I also remember seeing them on a screen in a pit garage at a GP with Jackie doing a commentary of the lap while the gameplay footage was playing.
The version we have of old cars in Rfactor 2 definitely fall more into the GPLegends ballpark, but the Assetto Corsa car is much more stable, easier to drive with less wobbly oversteer moments, and less of a floaty feeling. It does understeer if you drive it wrong but is very balanced when you get dialled in.
The only real way to get a good idea is for someone to phone jackie stewart and get him to come and give each version a run, so he can give us his comments! Even then, he wasn't a Lotus driver! Good luck asking Graham Hill or Jim Clark though.
The version we have of old cars in Rfactor 2 definitely fall more into the GPLegends ballpark, but the Assetto Corsa car is much more stable, easier to drive with less wobbly oversteer moments, and less of a floaty feeling. It does understeer if you drive it wrong but is very balanced when you get dialled in.
The only real way to get a good idea is for someone to phone jackie stewart and get him to come and give each version a run, so he can give us his comments! Even then, he wasn't a Lotus driver! Good luck asking Graham Hill or Jim Clark though.
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Jackie Stewart is the man. Can't wait to see the re-release of Weekend of a Champion.
And the Jim Clark death really just points out why these cars had the reputation they did: Deflated tire (big whoop) sends you crashing into forests. That's why you needed the big stones. Any malfunction at all could mean your death. I think GPL then brought ice handling 1.0 into the mix and everybody decided since it was so tuff, and racing from that era was so dangerous, that had to have been the reason why. And the god-tier mythos was created.
EDIT: It's been a while since I've watched old footage on youtube, but I'm pretty sure I've seen some footage where they're going three wide into corners. They were pretty crazy aggressive in that era. Something just doesn't add up.
It just came down to the fact there were zero safety precautions. And most of those tracks were going through forests. If today's racing were on those, you'd have multiple fatalities every week.
And the Jim Clark death really just points out why these cars had the reputation they did: Deflated tire (big whoop) sends you crashing into forests. That's why you needed the big stones. Any malfunction at all could mean your death. I think GPL then brought ice handling 1.0 into the mix and everybody decided since it was so tuff, and racing from that era was so dangerous, that had to have been the reason why. And the god-tier mythos was created.
EDIT: It's been a while since I've watched old footage on youtube, but I'm pretty sure I've seen some footage where they're going three wide into corners. They were pretty crazy aggressive in that era. Something just doesn't add up.
It just came down to the fact there were zero safety precautions. And most of those tracks were going through forests. If today's racing were on those, you'd have multiple fatalities every week.
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It seems to me from what Ive seen and heard of the L49, it wasnt that the car handled badly, but that the car couldn't handle the speeds it was capable of.
Back then it didn't matter what car you crashed in, survival was pretty slim. If there was a ambulance at the track it might take 20 minutes to get to you.
Back then it didn't matter what car you crashed in, survival was pretty slim. If there was a ambulance at the track it might take 20 minutes to get to you.
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Better than that, there's modding!
What exactly do you mean by customization?
Changing wheels?
Panit?
Exhausts?
Bumpers/body kits?
Customization is a very broad term, but I'll try... You can create/load custom skins, tire sidewalls, wheel colors, some cars have different states of tune and other features from release. Once the modding is in high gear there will be everything and anything available!
What exactly do you mean by customization?
Changing wheels?
Panit?
Exhausts?
Bumpers/body kits?
Customization is a very broad term, but I'll try... You can create/load custom skins, tire sidewalls, wheel colors, some cars have different states of tune and other features from release. Once the modding is in high gear there will be everything and anything available!
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Eh, I'm not a fan of microtransactions / DLC either, but the 'ring is worth it. Regardless of how we feel about it, It's a certainty that laser scanning a massive track such as the Nurburgring is definitely not cheap.
Me, I'm absolutely happy, and will definitely preorder. Now, don't get me wrong, there isn't a single DLC out there that will ever entice me enough to pre purchase again, especially when it's so far from release. The 'ring, however, is worth my money and then some.
Me, I'm absolutely happy, and will definitely preorder. Now, don't get me wrong, there isn't a single DLC out there that will ever entice me enough to pre purchase again, especially when it's so far from release. The 'ring, however, is worth my money and then some.
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