Assetto Corsa PC Mods General DiscussionPC

[Kocinski]

@Peter Boese in the default WeatherFX debug app, rain thickness can apparently be overridden at set at 0mm, enabling the full wet visuals but without the loss of grip.
Does such an option exist in Pure, letting us enjoy the visual rain effects in full glory but maintaining normal grip?
This would be very useful in races where changeable weather is wanted (eg, the race starts dry and sunny, but then a thunderstorm rolls in and dumps its load for a lap or two, then the sun comes out again and the race finishes dry) without the need to pit twice to change tyres just so you can stay on the track. Pit stops in AC are pretty clunky and normally involve teleporting and ghost cars, so are often best avoided to maintain immersion.

Good point Masscot! Is it possible to disable the AI to change to wet or dry tyres automatically?

 

[MS6Driver]

Opel Vectra GTS V8 DTM Test
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a great month for DTM-Fans :-)

 

[kakauiyt]

My advice is to leave only the objects visible rather than aiming for a specific number of objects. Yes, it won't be the best choice, but at least you're sure to tighten the LOD to the bone making it as light as possible. As for blender, yes, the join parts/mesh trick with the same material works as long as you leave the parts subject to animations intact. In theory you could, for example, merge all the metal elements into a single mesh by assigning to the material an empty (completely white) aomap so as not to have problems with objects mapped differently. Obviously all textures must be in the main lod to avoid errors.

EDIT: obviously you have to create them taking into account the transition between the lods. It takes a bit of patience but for better or worse you can create a light lod.

The only "animation" I have is the drs.

Suspension moves thanks to DIR_

Should I also include that in the lods?

 

[Peter Boese]

I think it's in WeatherFX debug.

if you mean this:

This are just the 3 normal rain parameters, which are send in the weather condition. Pure Planner can set them too:

BUT, those also changing the graphics AND physics. Mostly this is not what the peoples want.
Mostly peoples want rain graphics without the physics.

This is only possible in the weatherFX debug:

afaik only with this debug option you have still the graphics but no physics. But this is not available in the weatherFX script sdk.

 

[GT3Masters97]

The only "animation" I have is the drs.

Suspension moves thanks to DIR_

Should I also include that in the lods?

I think including them isn't a problem, maybe eliminate it in LOD C and D as they are loaded when the car is quite far away, I don't think you'll notice their absence

 

[kakauiyt]

I think including them isn't a problem, maybe eliminate it in LOD C and D as they are loaded when the car is quite far away, I don't think you'll notice their absence

Ok thank you guys for the tips

 

[Masscot]

if you mean this:
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This are just the 3 normal rain parameters, which are send in the weather condition. Pure Planner can set them too:
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BUT, those also changing the graphics AND physics. Mostly this is not what the peoples want.
Mostly peoples want rain graphics without the physics.

This is only possible in the weatherFX debug:
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afaik only with this debug option you have still the graphics but no physics. But this is not available in the weatherFX script sdk.

That's a real shame, because a sudden cloudburst can sometimes make it almost impossible to get to the pits if you're on slicks.
If it can't be achieved on the weather side, how about on the car side, ie having the option to disable the car's rain physics? Some cars already behave this way by default, so I'm guessing it must be possible?

 

[Alguecool]

AI pi-roulette

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In the AI mind...

Is lods pertinent when CPU is bottlneck? I have some people that suffer slowdown, like the car is moving a lot slower, and it take multiple seconds to be at 250km/h on unoptimized track + Pyver extension. But it's not a constant freeze, the fps is fine. And the AI seems unaffected too

If it is, I might start doing lods for the cars

It does impact a lot, yes. GPU is not that much affected by it in fact, it's a CPU thing more than anything. The less objects/triangles, the less information to carry, the better. Simple as that (or close to). Especially if the track is already pretty demanding

The Kunos mod guideline is actually quite good to help for optimization (dev folder, like the kseditor). It's not a formal rule, but it helps. LOD C should be minimalistic as much as possible, LOD D is close to a placeholder (for some cars, 1 or 2 object/material is enough), as it is not meant to be seen "clearly". LOD B is the tricky one, the transition can be hard to get right. But the general rule is : if at a driving/replay point of view it is not visible, it shouldn't be there at all.

Edit : as a reference, what I usually do for the meshes :

• If the object is not visible/useful anymore, too small or hidden in sight : get rid of it
• If the object is part of a general thing/do not attract sight : decimate from 0.2 to 0.1 per LOD, join per material as much as possible
• for main objects : clean-up manually and/or decimate from 0.5 to 0.2 depending on the result, each one is different...

 

[Camill08]

The stutters are the reason I cannot update to the newest version of CSP, which then means I can't use the latest version of Pure. I'm still using Pure 0.193 and CSP 1.80preview9 because that's the last combo without the micro stutters. With every new CSP version I give it another try and they are still there. I've eliminated it being a Pure issue because it still exists even when I use Pure 0.193 with the newest version of CSP. But for the life of me, I cannot figure out what has changed in newer CSP versions that introduced these occasional micro stutters.

try deactivating the sunbliding shader in Pure config->shaders

 

[jac0]

For those still wondering about the graphical improvements that LCS will bring, Peter Boese posted this comparison. My mind exploded:

Pure Gamma + pure ppfilter/Pure LCS + pureLCS ppfilter

Compare images

acstuff.ru

seems he took down those pics... all I see is black :

Can I use this opportunity to urge to try and get brakelights to be clearly visible WITHOUT using Post Processing effects?
Some creators manage to do that just fine, others forget about this I guess...
(if they are visible without , they are surely visible with PP , but not the other way around... )
so Please always test your cars WITHOUT PP !
And also make sure you can see difference between rear lights on, and braking lights on (without PP effects)!

Hopefully Peter can introduce some nifty tricks in Pure 1.0 that will make this possible in a very elegant way.
(or is it bonkers of me to expect a good picture quality , lighting wise, without using PP effects ?)

 

[kakauiyt]

In the AI mind...

It does impact a lot, yes. GPU is not that much affected by it in fact, it's a CPU thing more than anything. The less objects/triangles, the less information to carry, the better. Simple as that (or close to). Especially if the track is already pretty demanding

The Kunos mod guideline is actually quite good to help for optimization (dev folder, like the kseditor). It's not a formal rule, but it helps. LOD C should be minimalistic as much as possible, LOD D is close to a placeholder (for some cars, 1 or 2 object/material is enough), as it is not meant to be seen "clearly". LOD B is the tricky one, the transition can be hard to get right. But the general rule is : if at a driving/replay point of view it is not visible, it shouldn't be there at all.

Edit : as a reference, what I usually do for the meshes :

• If the object is not visible/useful anymore, too small or hidden in sight : get rid of it
• If the object is part of a general thing/do not attract sight : decimate from 0.2 to 0.1 per LOD, join per material as much as possible
• for main objects : clean-up manually and/or decimate from 0.5 to 0.2 depending on the result, each one is different...

That's nice, i truly don't want to bother with lods, but unfortunately I am not PC Masterrace and have one of the weakest PC from everyone here so I am the first target of the lod necessity 😔

I'll follow your advice for LoD B, but damn. If i have to do that per cars, knowing that I also need to do it for 2010 2011 and 2013.................

Pray for me

 

[Camill08]

... rock? ... scissors? ... paper? ... lizard?

Spock?

 

[Alguecool]

That's nice, i truly don't want to bother with lods, but unfortunately I am not PC Masterrace and have one of the weakest PC from everyone here so I am the first target of the lod necessity 😔

I'll follow your advice for LoD B, but damn. If i have to do that per cars, knowing that I also need to do it for 2010 2011 and 2013.................

Pray for me

There might be a better solution for making LODs, but that's the "power" of what was Simplygon. Those were not good LODs, but they were LODs, it was far enough for the majority of models. And soooooo much time saving...

I'm already on quite a few different things atm, but if you have any question or need help don't hesitate to pm

 

[Schussnik]

Hey, sorry but all will be different soon. I stopped the transformation of Pure (current version) to LCS.
I describe it here:

The future of Pure | Peter Boese

Get more from Peter Boese on Patreon

www.patreon.com

Very well aware Peter, still wanted to say thank you for what we have so far

And definitely excited to try out Pure LCS next month!

 

[jac0]

at risk of getting some hate here , I tried AMS2 again, as it has also a Content Manager apparently , and some pretty good mods...

I'm actually a bit sad to admit, it feels more immersive and responsive compared to our beloved AC.
Environments aand sound has more detail , and most important , the FFB feels much better imho.
(I know it's all a bit subjective, but still ...)

One thing that is definitely better in AC are the mirrors (they are not real in AMS2 but always fake/virtual, so you can't see your own car in them)... and I will never abandon AC (it's the best to collect cars, without actually racing them

Now onto my question:
Has anyone got a good LUT and FFB settings, for a Thrustmaster T300, so I can get FFB feeling up to par with what I feel in AMS2?

 

[lorelord]

Modelling and mapping 99% complete. One issue with normals on the rear bumper I've fudged. Can anyone help?

 

[Cote Dazur]

at risk of getting some hate here , I tried AMS2 again, as it has also a Content Manager apparently , and some pretty good mods...

I would be surprised that you would get hate here.
Yes, AMS2 as a tool to install mods, without it, installing mod and updating mods is a PITA, but that is all that tool does, so same name but world, even universe, apart considering functionality. As for mods, they are 99% stuff from PCars, so, good, but again, nothing close to what we have access to here.

I'm actually a bit sad to admit, it feels more immersive and responsive compared to our beloved AC.

Why are you sad? You found, or rediscovered, something you enjoy, good for you. AC, is not the be all of SIM racing, some prefer something else, all good.
Still, I am ready to bet, that you will prefer back AC sooner than you think, enjoy your new flame while it last, .

 

[Perico Lospa]

at risk of getting some hate here , I tried AMS2 again...mI'm actually a bit sad to admit, it feels more immersive and responsive compared to our beloved AC...

 

[Peugeot905]

a great month for DTM-Fans :-)

More DTM cars are to come after that one .

 

[Alguecool]

Modelling and mapping 99% complete. One issue with normals on the rear bumper I've fudged. Can anyone help?

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In object mode, select object - ctrl A - scale, to ensure the scaling is right
In edit mode, A to select all Vertex - Shift N to recalculate normals outside - then set from faces

Not 100% sure for the shortcuts, I got customized ones ^^

If it's still fudgy, might be something else a bit more complex (PM maybe ?)

 

[Masscot]

I'm looking, I'm looking... But I'm not much into F1 so I probably don't own all the possibilities.

Try these. Needs the new steer.ksanim as well otherwise the shifting animation breaks.
Be kind, it only took me most of today to track these down...





Edit: Bugger! The shifting animation is a big improvement but the steer.ksanim doesn't fit the harness position at all, and the overall posture isn't as good as the original.

I think a custom-made shifting animation might be needed so that it can be used with the original steer.ksanim.
Anyone here have the necessary smarts?

 

[24H]

do you use any simhub overlays for AC? or only the ingame apps?

 

[bflorezr]

at risk of getting some hate here , I tried AMS2 again, as it has also a Content Manager apparently , and some pretty good mods...

I'm actually a bit sad to admit, it feels more immersive and responsive compared to our beloved AC.
Environments aand sound has more detail , and most important , the FFB feels much better imho.
(I know it's all a bit subjective, but still ...)

One thing that is definitely better in AC are the mirrors (they are not real in AMS2 but always fake/virtual, so you can't see your own car in them)... and I will never abandon AC (it's the best to collect cars, without actually racing them

Now onto my question:
Has anyone got a good LUT and FFB settings, for a Thrustmaster T300, so I can get FFB feeling up to par with what I feel in AMS2?

I've been through this situation several times already. After months (years?) of abandoning AMS2, I'm back to the routine of: install it / configure it / play it / big exclamation for the beautiful graphics and excellent optimization (VR) / few days (hours?) later: big disappointment for the ****** physics and weird FFB = delete and go back to AC. At this point I already apologize to AC for having been unfaithful for a week. (Repeat the process a year later).

 

[mr2it3881]

at risk of getting some hate here , I tried AMS2 again, as it has also a Content Manager apparently , and some pretty good mods...

I'm actually a bit sad to admit, it feels more immersive and responsive compared to our beloved AC.
Environments aand sound has more detail , and most important , the FFB feels much better imho.
(I know it's all a bit subjective, but still ...)

One thing that is definitely better in AC are the mirrors (they are not real in AMS2 but always fake/virtual, so you can't see your own car in them)... and I will never abandon AC (it's the best to collect cars, without actually racing them

Now onto my question:
Has anyone got a good LUT and FFB settings, for a Thrustmaster T300, so I can get FFB feeling up to par with what I feel in AMS2?

I also have AMS2 and rFactor 2, AMS2 definitely has a 1 up in the details and pretty department. I'm not into the physics, it has been a while though. I do like rfactor 2, the FFB is fantastic, physics and details are good. Its not a pretty sim compared to AMS2. And simply I always go back to AC and hope Kunos updates the tyre model in AC Evo to rFactor standards. AC is easily my favorite, but I'd still like to try iRacing 1 day.

 

[Racer63]

All of a sudden I have no rain with last Pure. I didn´t touch anything , just added some cars for Le Mans. Using Le Mans 2017 Tiago Lima/Jim Lloyd/Terra21 version.

 

[drivewilliams]

@drivewilliams
Just for fun I took your suggestion and as you can see in the attached pic, the game loaded up the 8gb before I even got in the car. That's with 32 opponents at Sebring.

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That would be the culprit. If you are dead set on running a full race sim with every car in attendance then all I could recommend would be turning on FSR in Content Manager, but that still might not give you enough headroom.

 

[Fullnoise]

ACTK/EASY can eat a ....

Yes and he is the reason why you guys are missing out on a lot of mods just because the modders don't want their work stolen.

 

[MasterFocus]

I'd still like to try iRacing 1 day.

 

[SthrnOldskool]

Paul Radisich would be cool

I have a few pics of his cars, I do plan to do at least one of them, just deciding which one. I also plan the Murphy one.
I might hold off, there is a guy I know who does 3d modelling. He said he is going to look into doing the car sometime this week. If I can get him to do that, I'll contact Legion/G0D to bring it into game.

 

[RicME85]

at risk of getting some hate here , I tried AMS2 again, as it has also a Content Manager apparently , and some pretty good mods...

I'm actually a bit sad to admit, it feels more immersive and responsive compared to our beloved AC.
Environments aand sound has more detail , and most important , the FFB feels much better imho.
(I know it's all a bit subjective, but still ...)

One thing that is definitely better in AC are the mirrors (they are not real in AMS2 but always fake/virtual, so you can't see your own car in them)... and I will never abandon AC (it's the best to collect cars, without actually racing them

Now onto my question:
Has anyone got a good LUT and FFB settings, for a Thrustmaster T300, so I can get FFB feeling up to par with what I feel in AMS2?

My go to is usually https://www.briankoponen.com/simracing.html