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"Almost finished ! just missing few things like screws, onboard camera, seatbelts and two minors details etc...

So many good projects coming up...Panoz release, Auriel 8 + Bradley Project 8 and Chevrette 28 update, 2005 F1 Cars update....and of course new cars, this one is one of them

Have a good week everyone !" -VRC
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They are murdering it!

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Dan Bucsa
Hi all, I'm Dan Bucsa,

I've only been modding for about 8 months and been releasing my work for 3 months. 20+ years ago I use to use Lightwave and 3dStudio and I just started getting into it again recently. I can not afford 3dsMax so I work with 3DSimED3, trying to learn Blender and I use Paint.net amongst other free or affordable software. I do what I do with love and passion and share without any restrictions and do not ask for anything in return. Since I've been part of the community for over a year I've never said a bad thing about any other modders work on Facebook Groups or any Forums. I am always respectful, friendly and try my best to help people gain confidence in modding, collaborate with some very talented people and always give credit where credit is due. I've had some good and some not so good experiences and I hope I have learned from them. Any work I do I document and I'm always honest about my skills. Any feedback I take gladly I try to learn and to get better, always staying humble. In my dreams all I hoped for was to give the community better mods and a better experience.

To GzeroD:

The Alfa Romeo Montreal (1967) 3d model does not have LR Cockpit or LODs for the 3dmodel because Assetto Corsa is nearly 5 years old and the computers of today have significantly higher performance. On my 3 year old PC I run 4K, custom .ini settings to show really crazy details like 16k shadows for example. I run the highest form of AA that I can push through the GFX drivers via Nvidia Inspector tool. I also run VR in 1.5 PPD. I still get over 60FPS in 4K and very smooth VR. So I can imagine a current gen PC or even more so next year will not break into a sweat running my mods. So it's my choice to have max detail. Should this not be acceptable to you please make LR Cockpit or LODs and use these on your server or in your group, Legion, of which you are apparently many. If not you don't have to download my mod there are thousands others out there to choose from. As for you claiming I'm just fixing the wheel blur and making a song and dance about it, that is not cool. Why don't you and anyone interested read my_changelog.pdf to see all the work I have done and refrain from making general insults please. This kind of attitude is not constructive to me or anyone.

My mods have many updates and support from the community and every time someone helps I make sure to thank them and praise them. I never once said any of my work is perfect or it would please everyone. So instead of trying to throw shade on my efforts why don't you actually try to help by contacting me with feedback, fixes and help? That way the whole community benefits and gets a better mod to play with. Apparently you are Legion and you are many. Well then unite to help the independent modders like me that don't have a team and just do this in their spare time with a family, full time job and responsibilities. I think that would be better. :-)

(By the way, I have fixed the mirrors by looking at your version and will be happy to share an update with everyone in the Facebook groups and on my page, even though you obviously did not intend to help me, I thank you for fixing the mirrors issue.)

To everyone else, this is not the first time I've had hate thrown my way because I'm new and have made quite an impact in a relatively short space of time. I was just told by a few friends there was a fix for my version of the Alfa Romeo Montreal (1967) here, came and saw the comments from GzeroD and felt they were unfair. I'm really sorry for the long post. I could not help myself but to say something this time. I may not post again but if anyone wants to message me with feedback or help please contact me here or on Facebook.
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Criticism isn't exactly what I'd call hate. Your cars look fairly good, but they all have a very generic feel to them when it comes to the physics. To be perfectly honest, many of them drive nothing like the car they purport to simulate.

Your Montreal, for example, has some major problems. It has far too much roll stiffness (it feels like a 2019 sports sedan, and handles better than a modern M4) and I only wish that 70's tires had that much grip and precision. Also, there was not a single race car of that vintage that had 3-way dampers. Even F1 cars didn't have them yet. What are they doing on this 70's GT road car? It shouldn't even have adjustable dampers at all. If it did, even the most sophisticated road racers were still using 2-way dampers at best. And most just had adjustable rebound, and then often only on the rear. Additionally, something's wrong with the tire pressures. You've got "60's vintage" street tires with "green" inflation values at 24psi.

It's a street car. It didn't have: adjustable brake bias, adjustable F/R spring rates, or adjustable ARB's. Even my much-more-modern 80's BMW race car didn't have these things (all we could do was adjust diff pre-load, tire pressures, and rebound on the shocks).

Having driven several sports cars of this vintage, I can assure you that none of them felt anything like your creation (sorry).

If you want some good examples of race cars from that era (which had much stiffer suspensions than this road-going Montreal, and yet feel way softer in AC), try Bazza's Group 4 cars to get some idea how far off your physics are vs the real thing.

Hopefully you don't construe all this as "hate". I appreciate what you're doing, and perhaps your mods are aimed more at those using keyboards and gamepads, but they simply don't hold up in the physics department.
 
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I do not agree that Facebook is a cesspool, or GTPlanet Forums for example, these kind of comments are just flame bait. I did not have an overreaction, I just pulled someone up on some comments that were uncalled for. My post was factual and to the point and I did not put down anyone or berate this community. It was a mistake of course to post. Already from some of the posts that followed I see it was a bit of an exercise in futility and instead of invoking reason, it just escalated things. I learned my lesson and will not be responding to these situations moving forward. Being respectful of other people's work and being helpful is not rainbows and unicorns for me, it's just doing the right thing. Maybe I'm old fashioned that way. All the best with your forums and community, you do some great work here.

(As I said I'm not going to keep posting on here, forums can be a bit scary and some of the comments in the last 2 pages show me that I'm better off not getting involved, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, like hal4000 please message me or contact me on Facebook. Peace out.)

EDIT: Yeah see posts above and below... I will be backing away slowly without any sudden movements. Ya'll take care now. :-)
 
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Dan Bucsa
I do not agree that Facebook a cesspool, or GTPlanet Forums for example, these kind of comments are just flame bait. I did not have an overreaction, I just pulled someone up on some comments that were uncalled for. My post was factual and to the point and I did not put down anyone or berate this community. It was a mistake of course to post. Already form some of the posts that followed I see it was a bit of an exercise in futility and instead of invoking reason, it just escalated things. I learned my lesson and will not be responding to these situations moving forward. Being respectful of other people's work and being helpful is not rainbows and unicorns for me, it's just doing the right thing. Maybe I'm old fashioned that way. All the best with your forums and community, you do some great work here.

(As I said I'm not going to keep posting on here, forums can be a bit scary and some of the comments in the last 2 pages how me that I'm better off not getting involved, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, like hal4000 please message me or contact me on Facebook. Peace out.)
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Well, it's a shame to see you run off like this. The problem with the closed Facebook groups is that they tend to become echo chambers full of fawning, servile self-congratulation. All that praise for your work is likely because the users don't want to get banned. Here, people tend to give their unvarnished opinions. You get to decide if those opinions are worthwhile. No one's forcing you to respond to every snarky comment (I would just ignore them).

If you really want to join the top ranks of modders, please consider that perhaps it's not going to be like a FB group. These Legion guys could really help you with your physics, for example. If you simply retreat back to a closed circle of sycophants, you'll never hear the truth about what you're creating.
 
Dan Bucsa
I do not agree that Facebook is a cesspool, or GTPlanet Forums for example, these kind of comments are just flame bait. I did not have an overreaction, I just pulled someone up on some comments that were uncalled for. My post was factual and to the point and I did not put down anyone or berate this community. It was a mistake of course to post. Already from some of the posts that followed I see it was a bit of an exercise in futility and instead of invoking reason, it just escalated things. I learned my lesson and will not be responding to these situations moving forward. Being respectful of other people's work and being helpful is not rainbows and unicorns for me, it's just doing the right thing. Maybe I'm old fashioned that way. All the best with your forums and community, you do some great work here.

(As I said I'm not going to keep posting on here, forums can be a bit scary and some of the comments in the last 2 pages show me that I'm better off not getting involved, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, like hal4000 please message me or contact me on Facebook. Peace out.)
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With all due respect, you're acting like we're all not on the same forum. There is no "flamebait" and there definitively is or was no "hate" being thrown at you in the first place or ever....That's two examples of you using the absolute WRONG words as to what has been said here which you're not comprehending for some reason. GzeroD cleared up any confusion as to what he originally said but for some reason there is still an issue.

Kondor999 has proven time and time again that he knows what he's talking about so in my opinion this is the type of guy you want to take notes from. He's giving you an honest opinion and pointing out the issues. You should thank him.

You think forums are scary...Just an FYI, Facebook is the scary one and the LAST company your should ever stick up for. They've sold you out and everyone your connected to.

Oh and the unicorn thing...seriously? C'mon it was just a joke and a little ball busting just like I'm sure your buddies would do if you said something similar. And for the record, there's nothing wrong with what he said. It just sounded like something a purple unicorn would say while prancing under a rainbow, that's all.
 
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Electroforce
With all due respect, you're acting like we're all not on the same forum. There is no "flamebait" and there definitively is or was no "hate" being thrown at you in the first place or ever....That's two examples of you using the absolute WRONG words as to what has been said here which you're not comprehending for some reason. GzeroD cleared up any confusion as to what he originally said but for some reason there is still an issue.

Kondor999 has proven time and time again that he knows what he's talking about so in my opinion this is the type of guy you want to take notes from. He's giving you an honest opinion and pointing out the issues. You should thank him.

You think forums are scary...Just an FYI, Facebook is the scary one and the LAST company your should ever stick up for. They've sold you out and everyone your connected to.

Oh and the unicorn thing...seriously? C'mon it was just a joke and a little ball busting just like I'm sure your buddies would do if you said something similar. And for the record, there's nothing wrong with what he said. It just sounded like something a purple unicorn would say while prancing under a rainbow, that's all.
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Guys, don't bother trying to get through to this guy. He responds to even the mildest criticism with instant derision and name-calling.

I sent him a very mildly-worded, professional critique of the physics on his Montreal (and that's coming from someone who freakin' owned a 1974 Alfa GTV), but at the end I allowed that perhaps I'm not his target audience and maybe he's making mods more for people using gamepads etc. That wasn't intended as any sort of insult (I happen to really enjoy Forza & GTS on a gamepad, and isn't that where we all started?). He immediately started in with the usual personal attacks, saying "I bet you're a real hit with the ladies" etc.

Anyway. I tried. I really just wanted to help with factual information and I stand by my comments about how these FB mod groups tend to behave.

Meanwhile, I guess he thinks that putting late-80's F1 dampers, adjustable brake balance and near-infinite roll stiffness on a (primitive) 70's Italian GT road car is just A-OK. But Hey - that mirror sure is fixed now!

PS: He also aggressively deletes any criticism of his creations on his FB page. Compare that to how Legion listens to us and actually changes the cars when a problem is pointed out in the comments section. Gosh, who has actual confidence in their work?
 
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kondor999
Guys, don't bother trying to get through to this guy. He responds to even the mildest criticism with instant derision and name-calling.

I sent him a very mildly-worded, professional critique of the physics on his Montreal (and that's coming from someone who freakin' owned a 1974 Alfa GTV), but at the end I allowed that perhaps I'm not his target audience and maybe he's making mods more for people using gamepads etc. That wasn't intended as any sort of insult (I happen to really enjoy Forza & GTS on a gamepad, and isn't that where we all started?). He immediately started in with the usual personal attacks, saying "I bet you're a real hit with the ladies" etc.

Anyway. I tried. I really just wanted to help with factual information and I stand by my comments about how these FB mod groups tend to behave.

Meanwhile, I guess he thinks that putting late-80's F1 dampers, adjustable brake balance and near-infinite roll stiffness on a (primitive) 70's Italian GT road car is just A-OK. But Hey - that mirror sure is fixed now!
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Let the truth be known. That's a wrap folks :cheers:
 
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The thing that really blows my mind is how seriously people can take some of this 'modding discussion' – and how thin-skinned people can be. You'd think they were debating something critical to the future of humanity, or the causes of a genocide.

Ummm. Hello? Reminder! It's just sim racing! Nobody lives or dies because of it.

And if the most 'important' thing you can do to get your ego stroked is make a mod, or some skins, or adjust some settings, then push your precious babies out in the hope of starting a personal fan club, then you probably need to see a therapist. This is not a hobby that validates you existance on planet Earth.

Pretty good rule of thumb for me is: If you don't like it, don't drive it. If it's taking up space on your hard drive that you'd like back, trash it. If you can fix it enough to make yourself happy, just do that. Be nice to others. Offer positive feedback when it's warranted. Keep out of food fights. :dopey:
 
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Hello guys, someone could tell me on which forum page there are links for the cars "IMSA GTO" because I do not remember it. Thank you in advance
 
I wonder if someone could help, can someone please upload me the default preset for calculating AO in content managers showroom please? (or just a screenshot of correct default settings) I messed around with the settings but didn't realise I had no default to fall back to :(

This is what it looks like now:
 

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Fanapryde
I'm not on FB either, will never be.
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Eh, like most things Facebook is only as bad as you let it be. Mine is filled with racing news, car news, sim racing news/people, and a few family members so whenever I open my Facebook it's filled with all sorts of wonderful things that I enjoy and none of the garbage I despise. It can be a wonderful news aggregator though, which is mainly what I use it for. My Twitter is the same, nothing but rainbows and unicorns in my feed. :)
 
kondor999
VRC Camaro got updated: https://vrc-modding-team.net/show/26

I want to see if they managed to alleviate some of the typical AC issues with understeer (even when suddenly lifting mid-corner at the limit of adhesion). Maybe the new suspension will help: See how they gave it adjustable dampers, to help with an "AC limitation"?

I'm guessing that limitation is AC's poor modeling of how the tires should "bite" under weight transfer. All I know is that, in a real car, if you lift mid-corner, you shouldn't get more understeer. The typical work-around in AC is to max out the rear damper rebound. If you did that IRL, you'd create a really twitchy, dart-y unstable car. In AC, it (sort of) gets you back to reality.
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Hey, this I'd have to disagree with almost completely. There's an issue with how KS load curves produce grip, although that's generally towards *oversteer*, not understeer, and aerodynamic forces simply produce too much grip at high loads. There is however nothing like how you're describing.

Most of the time this "no lift-off oversteer" thing is due to an incorrectly made car. Every correctly made car I've made to now isn't devoid of lift off oversteer, on the contrary all of the ones with any issues have too much. Although that's a more complicated issue.

Almost every RWD car is designed to understeer if you're on the front lateral limit and lift off, and almost all of them will attempt to do that. Roadcars, racecars, whatever. The reason is generally in RWD cars so that you can accelerate efficiently, not being on the limit of the rear tires when you stop trailbraking and start accelerating.

IRL you will get oversteer generally due to scrubbing speed and slowing down, then the fronts will grip up. Or if you're somewhat under the limit of the fronts and give them a bit of a push while unloading the rears: generally you will get oversteer. Some cars just have a natural tendency for oversteer, like the S13 Silvia and R32 GT-R with their quite high rear roll distribution compared to the front and tons of anti-squat.

It's also possible for engine braking torques to overload the rears in a RWD car, so if the front slip is not excessively high and the inside rear tire has enough contact with the ground, it could attempt to lock up and cause a yawing motion. If the inside's in the air, and you either have a very weak or very strong diff and you have a lot of front roll stiffness, I suspect it'd be possible for handling to not actually change so much as you'd expect it to!

It's very likely if you open the suspensions app or something else that shows slip, that you're simply a few degrees over the slip limit of the fronts when you lift off, and it's not sufficient to cause a yawing motion. Or the car you're driving is a bit badly made or doesn't mesh well at all with the KS load curves ie: the Elises.

Don't be fooled, some cars simply won't rotate significantly no matter what unless you really aggressively throw it in. Trailbraking just won't do it, nor will lifting. It'll happen when you have 100mm+ wider rears, way wider rear track, rear engine, lots of front roll stiffness etc. You know, like old racing 911s. ;)

Fun anecdote: Look at the old RSR 911s and compare them to the Turbo which has even wider rear track and more rear tire. The RSRs lift the inside front in corners, while the Turbo has extremely low roll stiffness to try to get all the grip it can, and won't lift the inside tire and rolls like crazy. I suspect neither of them will rotate off throttle like a stock 911 with squared or close to squared road tires would.
 
iRacing just discovered racing cars grip!

2019...what a year.... 1st rfactor 2 devs admit they had it 'wrong' now iRacing.....

Ironically i always found that much maligned simcade, Forza, had the very worst example of 'no grip'.... maybe that is the new 'sim' for the "grip = arcade" bunch.
 
Badgerman
Run, don't walk to Legion's blog - there's alternate versions of those cars posted there, and a more realistic Lola T70 Mk3. Well worth the visit!
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Yes I use the Legion's 917K data with the Kuno's one. But I don't see all the cars from ACL prototypes in the Legion's blog: no Ferrari 330 P4, Ford GT40, Lola T290,
I will try the others available with pleasure.
 
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